Yep. And its why I always said if you can get someone better, then do it. I always said you dont fire him or let him get away unless you do better. Barnes is an idiot. And people are also idiots if they thought we should let Dixon go to hire Stallings. No one thought that except Barnes.
This fanbase deserves a terrible team
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Arizona took that advice
Got rid of an underachieving coach for someone better
Yes there is. The reason is that both sides were fed up with each other. That's like saying a divorcee who is now in a happy marriage could have been happy with the spouse he or she didn't get along with.
We weren't getting the best version of Jamie Dixon in those last few years. It was heading more toward Lorena and John Bobbit territory - the only difference is that Dixon got out before appendages were severed.
Well Jamie’s wife underwent a psychotic break and turned into Scott Barnes , who could blame him for not wanting to stay in a relationship with that moron !
That's where PITT SCREWED UP! they needed to OVERPAY and OVERPAY BIG and get THE SUPER BIG NAME. They let the top 20 coach leave and replaced him with a bottom 200 coach.
In a report published last spring, TCU had the 6th highest hoops budget in the country…and one NCAAT win in 6 years to show for it. Hang a banner.
One thing that you have to remember with Pitt, zero willingness or at least consider someone with some questionable backgrounds. If you want to be a top program you have to be willing to either pay heavily or hire someone who may not be clean. Pick your poison. Either a top dollar flops or your less than clean gets busted.
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That's a simplistic garbage take. You know those boosters that wanted Jamie gone? In most cases they can get rid of an AD just as easily. At the end of the day, if the monied boosters insist they want Jamie gone, there wouldn't be a damn thing Barnes could do about it.
The real idiot in all of this is Steve Pederson, imo. He totally screwed over the football program and opened up a constant revolving door there. Then when there was hint of a flirtation between Jamie & USC, he pissed down his leg and signed Dixon to a ridiculous 10 year extension right after Pitt was curb-stomped by Wichita State in the NCAA tourney, just before the move to the ACC, which Dixon openly loathed.
Barnes was able to do their bidding. He saved Dixon's career by unloading him on TCU and actually getting them to pay some buyout money as opposed to flat out having to fire Dixon 2 years later, both ruining Dixon's career & costing Pitt more money.
And yes, it was obvious the roster was set up for failure at Pitt near term. It doesn't matter whether it was Stallings or someone else, it was obvious things were going to get worse before they got better. I'm not sure there was a coach they could realistically hire that could have prevented a decline near term. That was dictated by roster make up. Retaining Dixon wouldn't have prevented it either, imo.
I knew that dolt was here before under another handle. Just could not remember the previous handle before he got the boot.
Dixon isn't a top 20 coach & Stallings isn't a bottom 200 coach.
Dixon has 2 NCAA tourney wins since 2011. TWO. And yet some people on this board want to act like he is an elite coach. He's a good coach, no doubt about it. He's nowhere near a top 20 coach.
ANYTHING is better than being Pitt. We should of hung a CBI banner, we'll never reach those heights ever again.
1. Dixon made it clear before the move that he did not want to go.
2.Maybe some of you kiss your bosses ass and admire people who do.
3. It is pretty simple to me, Dixon's attitude was: You made your decision, now I am gonna make mine.
4. When you get good at your vocation you have options, so he chose one. You want a coach who grovels to Scott Barnes? I don't .
5. Saying Dixon didn't work hard when he was here is an opinion not a fact.
2.Maybe some of you kiss your bosses ass and admire people who do.
3. It is pretty simple to me, Dixon's attitude was: You made your decision, now I am gonna make mine.
4. When you get good at your vocation you have options, so he chose one. You want a coach who grovels to Scott Barnes? I don't .
5. Saying Dixon didn't work hard when he was here is an opinion not a fact.
When you lose to UMBC and The Citidel, winning 15 games is almost impossible and you'd throw a p[arty for a CBI bid, anything seems elite.
You should see the pay board. He starts 10 of these useless threads per week. Gets criticized for it by most of the board but he continues to do it. Now he comes here and pollutes the free board.
Everybody should. If Pitt was guaranteed a better coach than Narduzzi, I'd can him tomorrow.
If he wanted to stay, he could have. Interestingly he had a huge TCU contract the day after he left. That must have been real quick job search and negotiations.
You did? I thought you were 1 of the people here advocating for Stallings to get a few more seasons.
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned TCU's last possession in regulation. The one where Jamie just let his PG dribble into a double team on his sideline with 5 seconds left in a tie game and just stood there and didn't call a timeout. That game almost ended very badly for TCU as a direct result and that was borderline coaching malpractice.
Please enlighten me to the process where Pitt fans were involved in the decision on Dixon’s tenure here. Did the AD conduct a poll of Pitt basketball fans, and then decide Dixon’s future based on the results? Did he assemble focus groups to discuss the options? No, he did not consult us in any way. Yet you somehow blame Pitt fans for Dixon’s departure. Were we supposed to storm the Pete to demand that Barnes do everything in his power to keep him?
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Wasn't part of the issue at the end that the administration was telling JD he needed to make coaching staff changes and we wouldn't do it? Maybe I'm completely misremembering things (happening more every year) but I seem to remember that playing a factor.
I'm sure his coaching staff, and lack of good recruiters, was part of the downfall. Too much of the burden fell on his own shoulders. BK seems to have developed into a quality coach but he was Jamie's top assistant years before he was probably ready for that role.
3 Tourney's in Jamie's last 5 years looks Woodenesque next to these last two clueless Chucko's and bringing back The InCapelables and expecting a different result than the last four years is a typical Pitt Leadership mindset. Would have loved to be in those year end conversations where J&J (Jeff and Jason) outlined their revolutionary plan to have exactly ZERO (HTF is that even POSSIBLE at an ACC school?) HS recruits in the fold for next year while hitting the transfer portal like two Parking Lot Pimps outside of Donzi's at 2:30am. #Pitthetic
Lerch Barnes had his bald buddy Sleepy lined up for one last payday at Pitt's expense the second he was hired by the clueless Pitt Administration and he made Jamie's life miserable from the day he arrived in Oakland. Eddie Fogler, Todd Turner, Stallings and Barnes probably still get together and golf and talk about the RumDums over in Oakland they took for millions of free $. "Search" firm my Polish Azz.
Or maybe if Jamie wouldn't have let Pitt spiral downward from a #1 seed 2/3 years to a program that had a .500 conference record over a 5 year period, fans would have continued to pack the Pete and nobody would ever have pushed for change.
don't forget also under WannyandWalt, posting incessantly against Narduzzi until after the Clemson game then mysteriously disappeared about the same time Kennypickett8 rose from the shadows...
I know WannyandWalt, and they aren't the same person. I feel pretty comfortable in saying that WannyandWalt was not a big Dixon fan.
This post is the problem right here. All of it. Setting the expectations at PITT of all places as a top 4 seed or it’s a failure is absolutely asinine.
Nope. I was one of the few people who guaranteed his firing. Everyone said we wouldn't fire a coach after only 2 years.
I never said that. How on earth did you arrive at that interpretation over anything I wrote?
Yes those (3) Tourney’s the last (5) years of Jamie’s tenure was definitely “spiraling downward”. Wtf is the last (6) years in your book classified as? Wow 😮
The last 6 years have been horrible. However, it will take more than results that equal Jamie's last 5 years to get me truly excited about the program.
If Pitt were to fire Capel today and hire a coach that replicated Jamie's last 5 years over the 5, I would have no problem if they shit-canned him too.
A boring, mediocre product doesn't do much more for me than a piss poor product.
I'm probably in the minority on that one, but that's just the way I feel.
Not sure what is the best thread to place this so why not here? I won't express my opinion on Dixon's departure - I'm not a frequent poster here and few would care what my opinion is - but I can share the opinion of a friend of mine who went to Michigan and is, of course, a Michigan fan. Back in Dixon's last year at Pitt my friend joined me at Bites and Brews (now razed) for beers while I was watching a few Pitt games. A Michigan game or two was also on while we were out together. When I mentioned that Pitt fans had grown restless with Dixon and seemingly wanted him gone, he couldn't believe it. His opinion is that the Pitt fanbase had an inflated opinion of it's place in college BBall and that given the success we had under Dixon we'd be nuts to get rid of him, even if we were then not as successful as during the 00's. We've had the same discussion numerous times since, including Saturday night while watching Gonzaga-Memphis and he still can't believe Pitt fans pushed him out. Of course, back at Bites and Brews he also wanted Michigan to lose so maybe they'd get rid of Beilein, so maybe it's just a Fan thing. (He does realize he was wrong about Beilein, though, LOL, as he subsequently produced two of Michigan's better runs in the NCAAs.)
We are never going to do better than Dixon II. If you cant get excited about a bubble program, root for Duke. That's our ceiling
Donzi’s at 2:30am….ahhhh you are bringing back some (fond?) memories there Zeke. 😂
That is the way just about everyone outside the fanbase and city viewed the move.
I don't need "greatness" all I want is a product, A TV SHOW, where when you turn it on, there's a 50/50 chance to win that night, and teams, when the season starts, you feel like it's reasonable that maybe you get 18-20 wins and make a post season tournament, any tournament. We haven't even had that level of expectation for years.
