our Ceiling is Jamie’s final 5 years with maybe a few higher seeds sprinkled in. Maybe a run if we are lucky.
Irinically, the best chance to get back to Dixon 1 or somewhere near it was Jamie Dixon staying here.
This fanbase deserves a terrible team
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Irinically, the best chance to get back to Dixon 1 or somewhere near it was Jamie Dixon staying here.
Consider the source of he thread and maybe you can better understand. This buffoon has sh!t on Narduzzi since the day he got here, while defending Paul Chryst at every turn.
Natduzzi, until this year, was BARELY better than Chryst, and at best equal to Harris and Dave.
Im glad he proved me wrong this year, but he was exceedingly average. It perplexes the hell out of me that the fanbase could absolutely lose their minds about Dixon’s last five years while at the same time being satisfied with the previous four years Natduzzi had.
He was always better than your hero Paul (6-6) Chryst.
Well football has been 90% meh, for 40 years, so what Narduzzi was doing, 8-5 seasons, an ACC division crown, bowl games was actually better than OK by recent standards
That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on here.
Let's throw the fact out the window that Pitt far exceeded Jamie's last 5 years for an entire decade before, under 2 different coaches, with the Panthers playing in a glorified high school gym at the start of that decade.
You point is well-taken except; I could not see what was going on "off the ball." I don't know who was open. Someone had to be since there was a double team. I do know this; if TCU's pg (Miles?) would have made the pass to the open man and Dixon would've called a time out; people like you would be criticizing him for that. I do know this; a coach's responsibility is putting his players in the best situation to be successful. Then it's up to the players. TCU lost because their PG occasionally has loose handles which results in turnovers AND they didn't block out in critical moments.
I guess Scotts Barnes personally phoned up at least half of the fans to solicit their opinion before he made his decision. The Chancellor and BOT must have conducted extensive fan polls before they approved. By all means, lets blame the fans for the decisions made by the administration.
Basically yes. Maybe we make a run to the Elite 8 as a 10 seed one year. Or maybe we get a 3 or 4 seed once in a 10-15 year period.
This statement is exactly what I was talking about on another thread, you want Pitt to fail because some on here don’t like Jamie Dixon, so the fan base deserves what they get from Pitt, what an idiotic thing to say, you should be banned from these message boards. You should move to Texas and be close to Jamie, your thought process on this is moronic
You deserve a pubic hair salad fk if you’re ever going to tell me what I deserve
You’re an idiot, we who don’t care for Dixon at TCU, deserve a bad Pitt team, that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard, so what you’re saying, if I like Dixon Pitt will play better, wow!!!!!!! Unbelievable
AZ had the passing lanes covered. That's why TCU had to have a guy break to the ball to help. Arizona totally caught TCU off guard with the double team and the Horned Frogs pissed themselves. The clock operator did too, as the clock momentarily stopped at 2.2 seconds in anticipation of a whistle.
Please seriously explain how the average fan chased him out? I simply have never understood that line of thought at All. Was there polling done? Just within this thread it has been identified that you are not a fan of Coach Narduzzi. So how many of “you” would it take to have Narduzzi ”chased out”? I am trying to understand the logic of an average fan’s griping about coaching moves and other aspects during a season that swings over to “chasing” a coach out?
Even with many coaches I have really liked there came a point where I wondered whether their impact on a team remained positive. I never once suggested that any of these coaches be fired but if they were or if they quit, I did not rise up in protest. Does that mean I “chased” them out?
I am truly trying to understand this? Did 93.7 or Seth Davis or Andy Katz or even Scott Barnes conduct a polling among the season ticket holders and Lair denizens and when the polling reached 50.1%, Jamie said well its time for me to go?
If you want to say Scott Barnes was an A-hole and pushed Dixon out the door then fine. But please just stop with the average fan chased him out. It is simply impossible to do in any situation. Piss ant donors like most of us on this board have no impact whatsoever.
You need to word things better because a lot of Pitt fans liked Dixon and wanted to keep him.
This would be more appropriate. The fans who thought Pitt could do better are getting what they deserve.
If you knew what you were talking about, and you don’t, he left because he couldn’t coach in the acc, he never wanted Pitt in the acc, he didn’t care that it was a good move especially for football, he didn’t like it and he left, he did take his ball and went home.and besides, you are the moron, you are the one who said since I don’t like Dixon I deserve a bad Pitt team, what does one have to do with the other? Dixon left on his own, get the #*/% Over it, and quit crying
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It's fine to have your own opinion of this. But you can't have your own "facts". Facts are facts. You are off base with your assumptions of what really happened. Let's leave it at that because the real scenario has been stated on this board numerous times. If you choose to not read it or not believe it, that's your mistake. But it doesn't change the facts.
And please try and write something that would be above a third grade level and that is coherent and literate. It's very hard to follow your childish drivel.
Because you probably can’t read well, those are the facts, quit crying, are you one of those idiots that think that all the people who don’t like Dixon deserve a bad Pitt team? what does one have to do with the other? oh I forgot, you don’t read well
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Was this addressed to me? It's hilarious that you talk about not reading well. It's very difficult to read anything you attempt to write. You are borderline illiterate and can't read or write. Did you ever try writing English sentences because none of what you write is that. You've got to be a kid with limited writing and reading skills.
Quit with the silly, infantile accusations of who likes Dixon and who believes what. Everything you posted is false. You are incapable of making any accusations about anyone. I also stated FACTS. Like I said, if you don't want to believe the FACTS, that's on you and shows your ignorance. It doesn't change the FACTS. You have no idea of what happened when Dixon was pushed out the door. So if I were you, I'd stay in your lane and stick with stuff you know more about....like? Hmmm, it doesn't appear that you know much about anything.
obviously not a math major here....Chryst in 3 years 19 -19. That is exceedingly average. In fact can't get more average than that. Right on the mendoza line. Narduzzi prior to last year was still better than that.
It perplexes me that you think posters on a message board had anything to do with Dixon choosing to leave Pitt. Do you think Scott Barnes was just about to give him another raise and then thought, "Mmmmm, I better log on one more time just to be sure"?
Also, Pitt football the five years before Narduzzi got here:
8-5, 6-7, 6-7, 7-6, 6-7
Pitt basketball the five years before joining the ACC:
31-5, 25-9, 28-6, 22-17, 24-9
Obviously Pitt basketball had a little hire standard to live up to. You can argue it's not fair for someone to have to live up to the standard they helped create, but that's typically how things work. If you do well, you get compensated for it. If your performance starts to slip while still earning that compensation, you become expendable.
Lastly, holding onto a once-prominent (by the school's relative standards) coach does not always guarantee a return to success. Look at Duke with Cutcliffe. They went 5-7, 2-9, and 3-9 the past three years. Or TCU with Patterson: 7-6, 5-7, 6-4, and 5-7 the past four years. Those guys brought great relative success to those schools at one time, but they can't just rest on their laurels forever.
I firmly believe most things have an expiration date. Coaches are no exception.
10-15 message board posters wanted him gone so therefore Katz and Co. lazily assumed most Pitt fans did.
Agreed. I can probably find hundreds of examples of when a coach was waning toward the end and a school went out and hired an upgrade. But that doesn't fit the a-ha! narrative, so people only tend to remember the Jamie Dixon and Bo Pelini examples (which even then aren't comparable, because Dixon wasn't fired). I guess Chuk Noll should have hung around until he was 70, too. No need for Cowher!
Not to nitpick…but the Mendoza line is .200. Not .500.
That is inaccurate. You mistake complaining about early exit and what not as wanting him gone. There were some but not many who expressed wanting him gone. And what fanbase? Pantherlair? Oakland? Pittsburgh? Allegheny County? Pitt alumni?
So Jamie had a 60 to 70% approval rating even by your math. I think a normal AD would look at those numbers and say that keeping a guy is within the wishes of the majority of fans.
You want people to always admit it was a mistake for Dixon’s exit circumstances. Why won’t you admit that your view is also based on your deep bias of having a higher opinion of him than most fans.
Nobody put a gun to Jamie's head and made him accept the TCU job. He could have forced Pitt to cough over his buyout money to make him go away. He didn't do that & Pitt wasn't going to do that.
No way. Being disappointed about early exits doesn't mean people wanted him fired. I was disappointed by early exits also. I also continually said you dont let him go unless you can get someone better. I made a list of coaches that I said they should let Jamie walk for. I remember Shaka and Miller were on that list but it was a short list.
I know that there was no possible way for anyone to force Jamie to accept the TCU job.
That’s exactly how I believe things came down. Water WAY over the dam now.
But the 2 sides drifted apart. Think Jamie knew he was getting kinda stale here. Others saw that, too. He was certainly NOT fired. Pushed out? Forced out? 🤷♂️ Semantics. Depends on whose description is used.
But with the years still remaining on his contract when it happened and the buyout he would’ve been owed by Pitt, he could’ve stayed at his discretion. But he decided to go. And Pitt has certainly made a mess of things w/r/t his successors for sure.
You must be a troll, you and Kenny H who else would say something stupid like the Pitt fan base deserves a bad Pitt basketball team because we don’t want Dixon, and this whole thing was about that and besides, you’ the one who can’t read, you said as much
Of course the fans played a role. There were hundreds and hundreds of posts on the Board complaining about Dixon even when he was winning championships. He was too controlling. His teams played too slow and too tight. Whenever they lost it was because they choked. The late Geno had a name for it that became a meme. Etc, etc, etc.
When Barnes held his disastrous press conference, that was what he talked about. Pitt was going to play exciting basketball. That was the idea he used to sell everyone on his move to force Dixon out and hire Stallings. Barnes and Stallings not only killed the program: they buried it. It was clear as day.
And all the Pitt fans still think Pitt is someplace special. Why? Look at all the great players in the tournament. Who wants to come here? Pitt is now a loser. We don’t have good enough players. They can’t make shots. Capel knows what he is doing. He wasn’t sitting next to K for seven years because he was learning. He was contributing to Duke’s program. He just can’t get players to come to Pitt to lose. Maybe they read the Board. The Board is full of posters who rag on players and rag of coaches and rag on one another. The extent of the negativity is astounding. Where are the informed discussions that used to elevate the Board? Lots of people from other colleges used to come to read our stuff. Now, not only do Pitt fans have the team they deserve, they have the Board they deserve.
Kenny’s right. I applaud him for hanging in there in this thread.
When Barnes held his disastrous press conference, that was what he talked about. Pitt was going to play exciting basketball. That was the idea he used to sell everyone on his move to force Dixon out and hire Stallings. Barnes and Stallings not only killed the program: they buried it. It was clear as day.
And all the Pitt fans still think Pitt is someplace special. Why? Look at all the great players in the tournament. Who wants to come here? Pitt is now a loser. We don’t have good enough players. They can’t make shots. Capel knows what he is doing. He wasn’t sitting next to K for seven years because he was learning. He was contributing to Duke’s program. He just can’t get players to come to Pitt to lose. Maybe they read the Board. The Board is full of posters who rag on players and rag of coaches and rag on one another. The extent of the negativity is astounding. Where are the informed discussions that used to elevate the Board? Lots of people from other colleges used to come to read our stuff. Now, not only do Pitt fans have the team they deserve, they have the Board they deserve.
Kenny’s right. I applaud him for hanging in there in this thread.
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Capel was a loser at Oklahoma who got fired for having back to back losing seasons. This is his 6th straight losing season. Capel is lazy. He needs to go back to Duke where things come easy. Pitt needs to find a coach that is a grinder who is working his way up the ladder.
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