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Hopefully we take care of business on Thursday and it doesn't matter.I worry we are last years Clemson.
Should already be in. Eff these projections.
And except for an insane effort by NC State hitting late shots, these many of these wins lately have been ass kickings.
3rd best team in the conference and beat the 2nd best in their gym.
GTFOH with that shit. Our defense is fine. Dude was unconscious from three after we were up 17.Not there yet. Our defense is sporadic and needs some work. You don't win without consistent defense. If we can shore that up, we'll get closer to a tournament team.
This is the case for all but 10 or so teams. How do we compare to UNM or Iowa or f'ing Drake?Not there yet. Our defense is sporadic and needs some work. You don't win without consistent defense. If we can shore that up, we'll get closer to a tournament team.
The bubble watch writer at ESPN had a comment about us that I thought was accurate: the "bracketologists" get invested in their selections and don't move teams up and down as much as they should. The selection committee has no such bias and should make the right decision based on our metrics and results.
GTFOH with that shit. Our defense is fine. Dude was unconscious from three after we were up 17.
We outscored them 40-28 in the paint.I saw too many easy points in close by NCState where we showed no resistance defensively. Giving up 73 points to NCState is just too many, in spite of Taylor hitting those 3's. Our defense needs improvement if we want to advance beyond the first round of the NCAAT. That's my point.
We outscored them 40-28 in the paint.
What kills me is after January it is all perception of conference that makes the difference. If a conference is considered "good" they get more bids because of course, their wins/losses in conference are skewed based on the pre-determined "perception".
It's not like you have any OOC games after December so that makes all the difference. For whatever reason the media does not love the ACC and hasn't for the last few years. So then the ACC with their lower bids have to prove it once again in the NCAAT against all the odds.
Dude, stop being such a yinzerI saw too many easy points in close by NCState where we showed no resistance defensively. Giving up 73 points to NCState is just too many, in spite of Taylor hitting those 3's. Our defense needs improvement if we want to advance beyond the first round of the NCAAT. That's my point.
I hear you but how is Michigan ST so much better than say, NCSU? It's all perception and self fufilling prophecy. There is this determination that teams from a conference are considered superior so losses are viewed positively vs. another conference that is not based on anything after January.I agree. At the same time, I guess I get it: Nov and Dec is really all they have to go by for conference perception, like you alluded to. Seems like a flawed system to me. They need to play OOC games throughout the season; it's a no-brainer solution.
But there are just too many teams in the ACC that don't seem to provide the quality of win that moves the needle much. We could beat teams like NC State and Florida State a thousand times and it doesn't seem to impress any of these bracketologists. There are just too many of these underwhelming teams in our conference. We'd probably be better off being 18-13 with two or three more quality wins in one of these other conferences.
ACC has let us down. Time to become bedfellows with FSU and break the grant of rights!
Of course there is also a part of me that secretly wonders if the guys like Lunardi are right, because we're 3-8 against teams that deserve to be either in the tournament or remotely involved in the bubble discussion. And one of those 3 wins was against a team down two guys in its starting five.
Again playing devils advocate, how does one quantify "deserve"?Of course there is also a part of me that secretly wonders if the guys like Lunardi are right, because we're 3-8 against teams that deserve to be either in the tournament or remotely involved in the bubble discussion
I hear you but how is Michigan ST so much better than say, NCSU? It's all perception and self fufilling prophecy. There is this determination that teams from a conference are considered superior so losses are viewed positively vs. another conference that is not based on anything after January.
Again playing devils advocate, how does one quantify "deserve"?
The Big 10 has gotten 17 bids the last 2 years and won 15 tournament games (15-17). The ACC has gotten 10 bids and won 21 games (21-10). Pre-determining conference strengths in November and December means little in March and yet the committee never seems to learn,There is so much scourge in our conference. Louisville, BC, Notre Dame, GT, FSU and Miami even... beating them means very little, but every now and then they'll give a contending team a damning loss. We definitely need to work on bolstering the bottom of the ACC. The performance of all the teams works together in unison, because they all play each other eventually.
The Big 10 has gotten 17 bids the last 2 years and won 15 tournament games (15-17). The ACC has gotten 10 bids and won 21 games (21-10). Pre-determining conference strengths in November and December means little in March and yet the committee never seems to learn,
He just can't stand Capel which is sad. H2PDude, stop being such a yinzer
This is a flawed team. So are almost all of them.
I want to see them get their shot to go on a run. They've earned it.
I've always railed against the football metrics because of the same kind of preseason rankings that really aren't based on anything but perception.Don't disagree, but what else can ya do?
I think they need to change the schedule structure at some point.
UVA probably has a better overall resume. They finished a game up on Pitt in league play, and were a little better in OOC, with wins over TAMU & Florida. (losses to Memphis and Wisconsin)Why would UVA be in and not Pitt? We beat them at there place and KenPom has them ranked #67 vs Pitt #45.
And what has most of the bubble done to deserve a bid? If you were as critical of other teams as you are of Pitt, there'd be like 40 teams in March madnessUVA probably has a better overall resume. They finished a game up on Pitt in league play, and were a little better in OOC, with wins over TAMU & Florida. (losses to Memphis and Wisconsin)
Hard to say either team deserves a bid.
I don't know. I don't follow them as closely.And what has most of the bubble done to deserve a bid? If you were as critical of other teams as you are of Pitt, there'd be like 40 teams in March madness
Unfortunately it may end up being the NIT tournament.NFM!
I've always railed against the football metrics because of the same kind of preseason rankings that really aren't based on anything but perception.
But I've always felt the NC basketball run was earned given the amount of regular season games and of course the NCAAT, which gives every team a chance.
But lately (and maybe because PITT seems to be on the wrong side), it feels like this sport has become unfairly slanted towards popular perception.
Unfortunately I'm not sure how to fix it, but at some point as @SteelBowl70 demonstrated, when does reality trump perception?
Let’s hope not. But without beating Wake in double bye game not sure what could change other than teams stealing bidsI worry we are last years Clemson.
Clemson went 14-6 last year and did not get inHad a team from the ACC or Big 10 or Big 12 ever had a 12-8 conference record and been left out of the tournament ?
Well then my hope is that we are ahead of Virginia because we beat them and also have a higher Ken pom. They are 13-7 in conference but that shouldn’t matter just as a Clemson team from last year.Clemson went 14-6 last year and did not get in
Virginia is a name that won a title recently. They aren’t being left outWell then my hope is that we are ahead of Virginia because we beat them and also have a higher Ken pom. They are 13-7 in conference but that shouldn’t matter just as a Clemson team from last year.
So you don't really know where Pitt stands on the bubble.I don't know. I don't follow them as closely.
I just know that I've seem enough of UVA, Pitt, Clemson, and Wake Forest this year. That's clearly the 2nd tier of the ACC. There's probably 1 or 2 bids for teams in that group. But if there isn't... oh well.
Watch enough ACC Basketball this year and your eyes will start to bleed.