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Thoughts on the Future of Jamie Dixon ...

My thoughts are:

I think Jamie has proven that he is a downright terrible offensive coach but can win games at a high rate if he finds good defensive players and rebounders. However, it is very hard to guage a recruit's defensive abilities at the AAU level where nobody plays defense. So he has to rely on luck in that regard. Its just so hard to predict how good a defensive player a kid can be.

If someone wants to pay his buyout, you try to make deals in back channels with higher profile coaches like the Millers, Thad Matta, Greg Marshall, Scott Drew, etc. If you cant get a high profile coach to agree in principle, you have to decide whether its worth it to give Jamie a small raise to prevent him from going to TCU or Stanford.......or are you better with a lottery ticket like Will Wade, Kevin Keatts, etc.

My hunch says that I think Jamie has proven that due to his terrible recruiting, its going to be very tough for him to get the program back to anything more than a bubble program. 5 years of mediocrity is a pretty good indicator.

So, if someone wants to pay his buyout, I think you probably take it.

For sure, though, you dont fire him. That is ridiculous. Making the tournament this year has given him 3 more years of not making it before he would get fired.
 
My thoughts are:

I think Jamie has proven that he is a downright terrible offensive coach but can win games at a high rate if he finds good defensive players and rebounders. However, it is very hard to guage a recruit's defensive abilities at the AAU level where nobody plays defense. So he has to rely on luck in that regard. Its just so hard to predict how good a defensive player a kid can be.

If someone wants to pay his buyout, you try to make deals in back channels with higher profile coaches like the Millers, Thad Matta, Greg Marshall, Scott Drew, etc. If you cant get a high profile coach to agree in principle, you have to decide whether its worth it to give Jamie a small raise to prevent him from going to TCU or Stanford.......or are you better with a lottery ticket like Will Wade, Kevin Keatts, etc.

My hunch says that I think Jamie has proven that due to his terrible recruiting, its going to be very tough for him to get the program back to anything more than a bubble program. 5 years of mediocrity is a pretty good indicator.

So, if someone wants to pay his buyout, I think you probably take it.

For sure, though, you dont fire him. That is ridiculous. Making the tournament this year has given him 3 more years of not making it before he would get fired.
Consider giving him a small raise to stop him from going to TCU?? Wait are you being serious?? That is crazy, let him go please. He deserves a pay cut, not a small raise to prevent him from going anywhere.
 
Im not a fan of the catty schoolgirl metaphor myself, but that aside the assessment ignores that the primary job of a college coach is to find and develop talent.
That's not the responsibility of some outside 3rd party.
Pitt will do what it thinks is best...of that I have no doubt.
But it had better be prepared for thousands of empty seats in (for a P5 program) a medium sized arena.
Pittsburgh is a town full of front-runners and bandwagon jumpers. In addition, the demographics of an aging fan base and population are catching up evn with the one team which has been immune to won/lost records. Even the Steelers played before lots of empty seats this year.

There are gonna be lots of empty seats at the Pete, even if we become a top 20 program again. There was a perfect storm, a fortunate synchronicity of a new arena, a league at its peak and a series of overperforming teams which captured a city's imagination. That bubble burst when the team fell short in its biggest opportunities as number one seeds.

The city and casual fans reacted with unusual viciousness, treating the Nova and Butler losses as a personal betrayal. The catty schoolgirl analogy is too mild. There have been personal attacks on Dixon , his appearance, personality, work ethic, etc that verge on slander particularly in the coments sections of sone of Pitt-centric blogs.

As a program, Pitt definitely needs to recruit better, but not necessarily the 5-stars so many fans want. It's very arguable that trying to recruit more athletic and "talented" kids is what got us into this mess. That is on Dixon. I'm pretty sure he made a serious mistake in strategy. The kind of kids the casual fanbase wants are not the kind of kids who play the way Dixon has had success.

One thing Joe Public doesn't understand is that with VERY few exceptions, the guys this program was built with were ALWAYS Plan B or C guys. Very arguably, Jame's biggest mistake has been being tomdogged in his pursuit of some Plan A guys and not moving on earlier to the Plan B's.

We really don't have a whole lot of basketball knowledge in this town. People make flat statements that are actually laughable every day on here - and the Lair is mild compared to some of the other sites.

I'm not pointing fingers at any individual, but an example is so many salesmen or businessmen extending analogies from their fields into college athletics. There are simply very few comparisons because there are so many differences.

We are an open society with a strong egalitarian streak. We all have many delusions that our opinions are valid and that we're so smart that we can make better observations and decisions than our leaders or coaches.

The reality is that we rarely correct. We are purely arm chair amateurs and have only very dim ideas of what actually goes on and what went into the decisions they made. A considerable portion of us are so ego-driven or conceited that we ignore black and white statistical evidence that our eye-test or gut-driven driven agendas are generally absolutely wrong.

Hey, this is still America. Everybody has the right to their opinions. But, most of them are wrong.
 
Good coach hmmm?? Yeah the guy was brilliant leaving Luther on the bench the whole game when it was obvious we needed some offense, especially in the 2nd half. Oh and it was a stroke of genius to play 2 grad transfers who gave us a combined 0 points for 27 minutes.

Poker--there is a consensus that Dixon made errors in the Wisconsin game, but the attempt being made with this thread is to look at the big picture instead of one game. Thanks.
 
DT if you actually believe nerdy cared one bit about 'all sports success" You are completely delusional. He treated football like the red headed step child while sitting on the bench with Agnus. Geez are we still paying that fat tub of goo on her contract?

I am not completely delusional.
 
Poker--there is a consensus that Dixon made errors in the Wisconsin game, but the attempt being made with this thread is to look at the big picture instead of one game. Thanks.
What about the VT game where the refs were calling every little foul? You agreed with me then that Jamie should have coached his guys to feed the ball inside a lot more because of how the game was called.

There are many examples DT, not just 1 game.
 
What about the VT game where the refs were calling every little foul? You agreed with me then that Jamie should have coached his guys to feed the ball inside a lot more because of how the game was called.

There are many examples DT, not just 1 game.

But somehow he has managed to have success as I have described here. Many more examples of that.
 
But somehow he has managed to have success as I have described here. Many more examples of that.
Well bad postseason success and next to awful the past 5 years. Look at Tubby Smith, won a national title(not with his players)and later on his teams were nothing special. Kentucky cut him loose. Can't keep resting on a few early years of regular season success. It is what have you done for me lately and he has done really nothing. And our recruiting is not getting better. That again is on Jamie.
 
** After the Panther loss to the Badgers, there was only one thing I knew completely for certain. That is the "Fire Dixon!" contingent would be out in full force on the PantherLair.

** I’m not in that contingent.

** It’s an understatement to say that Dixon didn’t coach his best game on Friday night. And with that, second guessing the coach follows. We all get that. But let’s try to look at the bigger picture.

** Before getting into a deeper dive into Dixon and the program, let’s make one thing completely clear. He’s not going to be fired, and not just because he’s got a huge buyout making it economically unfeasible. It’s my understanding is that Barnes and Gallagher are very pleased with Dixon, and there is no way in the world the any AD and Chancellor are going to fire a coach with the success Dixon has had, including making three of the last four NCAA Tournaments, while maintaining a highly respectable program. That would be ridiculous.

** Those who somehow think that Gallagher is “all in” on sports success, any more than Nordenberg, are likely to be very disappointed.

** Otherwise, there are so many places to go next, so I’ll start by sharing the conversation about Dixon I had with my very good friend of nearly 40 years as we watched our kids at a swimming meet today.

** He’s done with Dixon. For him, like many others I suppose, last night was the straw that broke the camel’s back. In some respects, that part I can understand.

** But there’s much more to his opinion I can’t understand. That is, he believes that the first eight years of Dixon’s career at Pitt were only carryover from Howland, and luck because he snagged the local kid in DeJuan Blair. Accordingly, he believes that the last five years of Dixon are the only results truly indicative of Dixon’s abilities as a coach. In short, he doesn’t believe now (as he probably never believed) that Jamie Dixon has the attributes one needs to be a high level coach. He said the last five years are proving him right.

** I say now what I said to him then. That’s crap.

** Nonetheless, I do suspect there are many who want Dixon gone now, who at least in some ways, agree with part of my friends’ notion that Dixon wasn’t really ever that good to begin with.

** This is why I suspect some pick apart Dixon’s idiosyncrasies, at times like catty school girls, as if we have the only coach in the country who is stubborn or is wildly demonstrative on the sidelines.

** If one is to assess Dixon and the current state of the Pitt Basketball program, I believe there are two very important “givens.” If these two givens can’t be accepted, I don’t know where any middle ground can exist.

** These are: 1) Jamie Dixon is a highly capable Division One Basketball coach and 2) the program, while not nearly where it was in 2011, is not in shambles.

** I think it’s also important to reiterate how incredibly good this program was during Jamie Dixon’s first eight years, and how hard it is for any coach, not to mention at a program without previous success such as Pittsburgh, to perform at such as high level for so long.

** I don’t think many Panther fans realize how hard this is, and because of it, don’t want to credit the man responsible, or think it can easily be replicated.

** It’s not easy to have a career in the Big East that ended in that League with the highest winning percentage of any coach in that league. Ever. But that’s what he did. That’s not a fluke. That’s a man who knows how to coach.

** Still, whether it be easy or not, this is indeed the bar Dixon has set for himself and the Panther Hoops program. It’s understandable that he should receive criticism that he’s now falling well short of that high bar.

** So let’s get to that falling short side of things. We live in a world where many folks say “what have you done for me lately?” That’s reality.

** A year ago, many asked me if I thought Dixon should be on the hot seat, and at the time I replied no. But I also suggested that if things didn’t look any better a year later, I might be singing a little bit of a different tune.

** Perhaps I must confess that my response even signaled that I started my own clock ticking on Dixon.

** I do think this year’s results slowed the ticking of that clock for me, even if it be ever so slightly. But it is one more year of only adequate success against the high standard Dixon set for himself. And I think it’s fair to suggest the clock is still ticking, and the fact that another year have gone by matters.

** If you are concerned that things won’t be much improved next season, and could possibly get worse, I’m not going to try to convince you that the thought is off base. That’s because that could be the way it goes. I wish I could say I was highly confident it won’t be the case.

** But I have seen the man who I know can coach rebuild his program several times in his tenure, and that’s why I believe he’s the best chance to do it again.

** I know there are those who do think Dixon can coach, but just don’t think he’ll be able to get this team back to where it was. Maybe you think something has changed. Maybe the ACC, or different kids, or recruiting strategies, or anything else. I completely understand the logic here, and again, I wish I could say that I was highly confident this thought won’t end up being right.

** Let’s face it. Dixon has his work cut out for him. I don’t know how much his returning upperclassmen players can improve, nor how much the newcomers will add. And we could go into next year without Artis or Young or both.

** I also don’t know how much changing assistants is required. I know this is a popular thought here on the Lair, but I honestly don’t have any spurious information to make any responsible judgement as to whether an assistant or two needs to go.

** It’s logical to think Dixon needs to shake things up for a program that has flatlined at a spot lower than where it thrived. If it’s his assistants that need to be shaken up and Dixon resists that idea due to loyalty, stubbornness, if not lack of insight, then that’s on him if this is what holds the program back to where it once was.

** But the shakeup I see that needs to take place more than any other is
Have is 100% correct. This board and many others are filled with opinions of the massively ignorant, and they expose themselves as such regularly....over and over and over again. It doesn't matter how much information or data or fact is posted, they show themselves unable or unwilling of learning for years now, so yes, I even question their intellegence.
First, I will give u credit for being a diehard fan - the same with Harve. I remember chatting with u on The Guru's old board. But you are both very pompous in this thread. JD parlayed other job opportunities into big pay days for himself. This IS a business, and the HC made that loud and clear with his actions over the past. With the $2.5 to $3 million a year pay come expectations. We have been about a Top 50ish program over the past 5-6 years, and he is being paid like a Top 20-25 coach.
 
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He posted a series of opinions not fact....

-Pittsburgh lacks basketball intelligence?

WTF does that even mean?

-people react like catty school children or worse but you two go around insulting people you never met?

(This is exactly why dt Pitt shouldn't have put that in his dribbles)

-I can go on but I won't.

Pittsburgh does lack basketball intelligence...hell, I lack basketball intelligence. When I see the same things harped on over and over, most of them being irrelevant or pure conjecture, I can't help but to come to that conclusion. The minute someone says that they know the team has tuned Jamie out, I know they are full of it. The moment that someone complains about the non con hurting pitt come tourney time or conference time, I know they are full of it.

Most of all though I am self aware enough to know that I really know very little, and that someone like Dixon knows 1000 times about basketball than me. There are people on here who truly do think they know more than Dixon, the players, Barnes, etc because they coached peewee basketball, and I despise that. Those people are I ioant, and calling them ignorant is not an insult.

And yes, I have seen on here since the loss that Dixon has a mental illness, been called Janie, etc etc etc. DT was 100% correct in his assessment that they are acting like catty school girls.
 
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He posted a series of opinions not fact....

-Pittsburgh lacks basketball intelligence?

WTF does that even mean?

-people react like catty school children or worse but you two go around insulting people you never met?

(This is exactly why dt Pitt shouldn't have put that in his dribbles)

-I can go on but I won't.
Agree - who are they to judge people they never met and then lump all of them into 1 category? Also, if they are going to judge then what credentials do they have? I have some knowledge of the game. I played, coached, and officiated the game. I had the privilege of having one of the greatest HS coaches in PA history coach me and attended camps run by his son who played PG at Duke. He also coached one of the greatest teams to come out of the WPIAL. I do not claim to know everything, but I sure as sh#t think I am good enough to make some points on this board.
 
Agree - who are they to judge people they never met and then lump all of them into 1 category? Also, if they are going to judge then what credentials do they have? I have some knowledge of the game. I played, coached, and officiated the game. I had the privilege of having one of the greatest HS coaches in PA history coach me and attended camps run by his son who played PG at Duke. He also coached one of the greatest teams to come out of the WPIAL. I do not claim to know everything, but I sure as sh#t think I am good enough to make some points on this board.

Maybe you do...but the minute you claim to know what is goin on inside the locker room you lose just about all credibility. Also when you ignore defined metrics and stats, like you did when I mentioned the defense greatly improved, you lose a lot there as well.
 
As a program, Pitt definitely needs to recruit better, but not necessarily the 5-stars so many fans want. It's very arguable that trying to recruit more athletic and "talented" kids is what got us into this mess. That is on Dixon. I'm pretty sure he made a serious mistake in strategy. The kind of kids the casual fanbase wants are not the kind of kids who play the way Dixon has had success.

One thing Joe Public doesn't understand is that with VERY few exceptions, the guys this program was built with were ALWAYS Plan B or C guys. Very arguably, Jame's biggest mistake has been being tomdogged in his pursuit of some Plan A guys and not moving on earlier to the Plan B's.

We really don't have a whole lot of basketball knowledge in this town. People make flat statements that are actually laughable every day on here - and the Lair is mild compared to some of the other sites.

I'm not pointing fingers at any individual, but an example is so many salesmen or businessmen extending analogies from their fields into college athletics. There are simply very few comparisons because there are so many differences.

We are an open society with a strong egalitarian streak. We all have many delusions that our opinions are valid and that we're so smart that we can make better observations and decisions than our leaders or coaches.

The reality is that we rarely correct. We are purely arm chair amateurs and have only very dim ideas of what actually goes on and what went into the decisions they made. A considerable portion of us are so ego-driven or conceited that we ignore black and white statistical evidence that our eye-test or gut-driven driven agendas are generally absolutely wrong.

Hey, this is still America. Everybody has the right to their opinions. But, most of them are wrong.

I've been saying this for a while. When Pitt was mainly going after 3 star guys, they could really focus on getting kids who would thrive in the system they played. Most 3 star kids are plan b types for the better schools, but are priorities for A10/ AAC type schools. Pitt, as a P5 school, is a big dog in this pool, and can really get many of the kids they focus on. In the pool of 4-5 star players, Pitt is going up against the elite. Pitt is part of a pool of maybe 40 "good, but not great" programs, that are trying to compete against the top 15 or so, which are the elite programs. In this group, Pitt is nothing special, and has to take what they can get, as opposed to being more focused in their recruiting. It's a tough spot to be in. You will never win a National Championship without the elite players. Therefore, you have 2 choices. Either you have to be able to take the few 4-5 stars you get, and build good enough teams around them that can elevate you to a level where you become a primary destination for elite players, or you have to be able to have a system so effective, that you can coach your 3 star dominated teams to a level of success that allows you to graduate to elite status. Pitt actually did very well taking the second route, but their failures in March prevented them from taking the final step, and solidifying themselves as one of the big dogs in the sport. Schools located in cities full of high school talent have an edge in getting elite players. Look at the difference that Blair made for us. Unfortunately, we don't produce many players like that anymore.
 
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Maybe you do...but the minute you claim to know what is goin on inside the locker room you lose just about all credibility. Also when you ignore defined metrics and stats, like you did when I mentioned the defense greatly improved, you lose a lot there as well.
No, I am not in the locker room but u do not need to be in a locker room to see if a team is playing as a unit.

This team fed off their offense. You need to play to your team's strengths. Pounding a square peg into a round hole does not work. I would rather win a game 76-75, than lose a game 47-46. Okay - the defensive got better, but were the end results better?
 
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My thoughts are:

I think Jamie has proven that he is a downright terrible offensive coach but can win games at a high rate if he finds good defensive players and rebounders. However, it is very hard to guage a recruit's defensive abilities at the AAU level where nobody plays defense. So he has to rely on luck in that regard. Its just so hard to predict how good a defensive player a kid can be.

If someone wants to pay his buyout, you try to make deals in back channels with higher profile coaches like the Millers, Thad Matta, Greg Marshall, Scott Drew, etc. If you cant get a high profile coach to agree in principle, you have to decide whether its worth it to give Jamie a small raise to prevent him from going to TCU or Stanford.......or are you better with a lottery ticket like Will Wade, Kevin Keatts, etc.

My hunch says that I think Jamie has proven that due to his terrible recruiting, its going to be very tough for him to get the program back to anything more than a bubble program. 5 years of mediocrity is a pretty good indicator.

So, if someone wants to pay his buyout, I think you probably take it.

For sure, though, you dont fire him. That is ridiculous. Making the tournament this year has given him 3 more years of not making it before he would get fired.
The only coach you mentioned worth throwing 4 million at is Marshall. It is a long shot - no doubt and probably would not happen. There are a lot of good coaches that would double or in some cases triple their salary by becoming our HC. We are not paying in peanuts nowadays, and the Chancellor and AD want to win. This is different from the Pre-Howland era.
 
First, I will give u credit for being a diehard fan - the same with Harve. I remember chatting with u on The Guru's old board. But you are both very pompous in this thread. JD parlayed other job opportunities into big pay days for himself. This IS a business, and the HC made that loud and clear with his actions over the past. With the $2.5 to $3 million a year pay come expectations. We have been about a Top 50ish program over the past 5-6 years, and he is being paid like a Top 20-25 coach.
My apologies if my thoughts come off as pompous. That is never my intention.
 
My apologies if my thoughts come off as pompous. That is never my intention.
I enjoy your dribbles. I love your passion. Heck - I like Harve's and Paco's passion. I was not really bothered by your one comment, but more the post made by Harve and Paco. My skin is pretty thick. LOL. I am pumped for more Madness.
 
Dixcn was the wrong hire 13 years ago and he's still the wrong hire

Yea but he went GAMES where he put up complete gooseggs. Didn't even shoot the second half against Wiscy. He's a third rate talent.
Thank you for all the entirely irrelevant points to what I typed. Fatty foods are unhealthy, plants need rain to grow, buy stuff with a coupon and save money.
 
Thank you for all the entirely irrelevant points to what I typed. Fatty foods are unhealthy, plants need rain to grow, buy stuff with a coupon and save money.
You're a complicated guy at times but I still like you! You seemed to be suggesting that Jones has some redeeming qualities. My only point was these qualities infrequently manifest themselves.
 
The future of Jamie Dixon is the head coach of Pitt basketball. He is going NOWHERE! I strongly disagree with him not playing Luther more Friday, but other than that the loss is 100% on the players. Wisconsin flat out sucks, and Pitt one upped them in that department Friday. I still can't believe we just saw the most pathetic sporting event in history, but I think Jamie personally did a good job getting a team this bad even into the tournament.
 
Chris drive the hoop a lot this year. And often it actually went in, and if fouled, could actually make more FTs.
He had spurts where he did this, but he kind of abandoned it the last few games, much to my disappointment. Remember last year he could hit 3 point shots? What happened to that this season, besides that 1 game where he hit everything he shot? I guess he is just example of the inconsistent play with the team. I had higher hopes for him though this year. I thought that we would see some improvement, but I think he played better last season. Here's hoping for a GLF this off-season from him.
 
You're a complicated guy at times but I still like you! You seemed to be suggesting that Jones has some redeeming qualities. My only point was these qualities infrequently manifest themselves.
Was more talking to you railing about the hire of Jamie when comparing Cam and Chris. I like you too. We are all complicated in some way.
 
Wow, I watched Kentucky and thought how undisciplined this team is. Thank God they can score because they make more mistakes per minute than we do. I really am not sure what team you watched but it certainly wasn't Kentucky. I knew that they wouldn't pull it out against IU because they act as five individuals on the floor with no leadership whatsoever.
We could only hope one day we get close to a Kentucky like program!
Not sure how you calculate mistakes per minute but we probably are at the top of the heap when it comes to that stat! Atleast the Kentucky players were engaged in the game!
Fyi when you nail down the calculation of mistakes per minute pls. let me know I'd be interested in that stat and the thought process ( obviously none) that went into the calculation???
 
We could only hope one day we get close to a Kentucky like program!
Not sure how you calculate mistakes per minute but we probably are at the top of the heap when it comes to that stat! Atleast the Kentucky players were engaged in the game!
Obviously anyone would want to be like Kentucky. They have a boatload of talent year in and year out. Obviously they are probably going to make more mistakes than anyone else in the country though, they have mostly young and inexperienced players every year. Some years they are so good it doesn't matter, this year they just didn't have enough.
 
We could only hope one day we get close to a Kentucky like program!
Not sure how you calculate mistakes per minute but we probably are at the top of the heap when it comes to that stat! Atleast the Kentucky players were engaged in the game!
Hey, even Barkley said KY just doesn't have the players they usually do and a lot of the young guys don't know how to play. They really do make a lot of mistakes. You can't equate athleticism with good basketball.
 
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I'd have to spend more time researching this than I want to, but somebody posted a stat something like when we got 14 points from our 2G position, we won every game. Some quick research seems to bear that out. Wright averaged 10 in a little under 28 minutes per game in his last 2 years. Over 40 minutes, that's right at the 14 points.

That 10 ppg is more than we got from the other guys who played the 2. If we had Wright for his 28 minutes and some combination of Johnson, Jones and even Smith for the other 12 minutes, we'd have been a better team, particularly given that playing at a faster pace this season would probably have increased Wright's scoring by a tick or so.

People gloated that we had found our 2G after Sterling Smith's 16 points against Duquense, but he only managed double figures 4 times after that and not at all in the last 14 games. Wright was more valuable here than many critics thought.

Unfortunately, I fear we will be saying the same thing about Robinson next year at this time.
Harv normally I agree with you but I just think for better or worse it's time to move on from JRob. He's better than the haters think and not quite as good as the national broadcasters seem to think. It's time.
Wright had a beautiful soft mid range jumper too bad he no range.
 
Hey, even Barkley said KY just doesn't have the players they usually do and a lot of the young guys don't know how to play. They really do make a lot of mistakes. You can't equate athleticism with good basketball.
So now you're listening to and quoting Barkley. Look back a bit most posters were dismissing him as the court jester of announcers. Good thing Barkley made and makes a living from basketball!

But my point was I say two teams Indiana and Kentucky communicating with each other on the court that I never see a PITT team do.
I also say tremendous talent on both sides players and coaching staffs.
We have a long way to go to!
 
Harv normally I agree with you but I just think for better or worse it's time to move on from JRob. He's better than the haters think and not quite as good as the national broadcasters seem to think. It's time.
Wright had a beautiful soft mid range jumper too bad he no range.
JRob is done. No question about that. We can all hope Kithcart lets us forget him
 
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So now you're listening to and quoting Barkley. Look back a bit most posters were dismissing him as the court jester of announcers. Good thing Barkley made and makes a living from basketball!
I'm sure your knowledge of the game far surpasses a guy who was an all pro
 
I have always agreed that we have underachieved come tourney time.

Thought the Wisconsin game was in many ways a microcosm of how Jamie's teams have so often looked in the Trny. The offense was passive, aimless; stagnant. Players looked deferential; at times almost afraid to shoot - or even move aggressively - until the shot clock pretty much forced them to (if even then because there was at least 1 - and maybe more - shot clock vilolations).

Winning with defense and rebounding are very solid approaches, generally speaking. As long as the offense is also competent, that is. Because scoring just the number Pitt did Fri. night is not going to win a team very many games. So was the offensive performance that was only able to produce 43 points vs. the Badgers a result of a team playing the way they were coached to play? Or a result of players just not having the offensive skill due to a lack of self confidence from the pressures of a single elimination NCAA Trny. game? Other reasons?

Probably a combination of things. Think Jamie always emphasizes taking the best shot (not just a good one); making the extra pass; being unselfish to a fault. In the Trny. it sure appears that the players are trying to do that so much that they out think themselves. It looks like they are thinking too much instead of playing; to the point where it actually slows them down.

Jamie sure comes off as a control freak. He's ultra-competitive. But a coach at times has to rely on solid preparation. Get the players ready to play and then let THEM play the game.

No doubt having more talented, skilled, mentally and physically tough players helps, too. The recruiting has to improve. So whatever it takes to do that (better recruiters, recruiting different areas, developing better relationships with HS and AAU programs, etc.) all has to be explored. But for Jamie to survive at Pitt, when/if he gets those players, he's got to be able to do a better job of getting his teams out their collective shell at Trny. time. So that the players are comfortable and confident enough to let their total game come out so they can flourish and produce; consistently and especially in the games that are so pressure-packed like the ones in the NCCA Trny.
 
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So now you're listening to and quoting Barkley. Look back a bit most posters were dismissing him as the court jester of announcers. Good thing Barkley made and makes a living from basketball!
He's right about LaBissiere and a couple other KY frosh. They WERE Top 25 in high school last year but aren't the same caliber as some of the other freshmsn stars at Kentucky were.

Barkley is an entertainer, not a college basketball expert. But, at that, does he know that much less than , say, Dick Vitale, these days?
 
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Hey, even Barkley said KY just doesn't have the players they usually do and a lot of the young guys don't know how to play. They really do make a lot of mistakes. You can't equate athleticism with good basketball.
Barkley is a Calipari apologist. They have 3 guys projected for next year's draft and more in the pipeline. Cal is a great recruiter because he plays "the game" better than anyone, but an elite coach would have 3-4 titles next to their name with all the talent he has had.
 
Keep on enjoying the tournament my good man!

Please do know this. I am enjoying the tourney and thought it to be the greatest opening round in history. However, whether it is regressing to the mean, yesterday was pretty chalk and I expect today also to be just that. My point in saying this, most people criticizing Jamie and/or Pitt isn't wallowing in misery. In fact, I think a lot of us are much more over this loss than Jamie's biggest fans. Because it left more food for thought.
 
Barkley is a Calipari apologist. They have 3 guys projected for next year's draft and more in the pipeline. Cal is a great recruiter because he plays "the game" better than anyone, but an elite coach would have 3-4 titles next to their name with all the talent he has had.
Most may agree with you, but I disagree with the last point. Calipari has almost an entirely new roster every single year. You need much more than just talent to win a championship. To win it all with basically a starting lineup of all underclassmen, they have to be so unbelievably good nobody can contain them (see Anthony Davis' Kentucky squad.)

I think Cal is just flat out the best... recruiting, coaching, everything. It is incredibly hard to win games with that many freshman playing. You have to be an outstanding coach to be able to get a team of underclassmen to gel together in the span of just one season most of the time.
 
Barkley is a Calipari apologist. They have 3 guys projected for next year's draft and more in the pipeline. Cal is a great recruiter because he plays "the game" better than anyone, but an elite coach would have 3-4 titles next to their name with all the talent he has had.
The NBA drafts bigs on potential, not on current achievement.

Agree on Cal. Great recruiter. Probably doesn't even have to cheat these days.

As a coach, he tends to do less with more than a lot of guys but the players like him.
 
No offense, but I could not care less. I've never come to these board to make friends. I go to message boards to learn and share information. There are those who have regularly posted for years that are absolutely and massive ignorant and completely unwilling to rectify that because it endangers their self-invented narratives. The later is something I have no respect for. I've had no compunction calling out and have identified those handful of individuals previously. I stand by my statements and opinions of these individuals 100%.
No offense taken. You are blinded by your passion for the University and UPMC that u have little to no objectivity on most matters related to those 2 topics.
 
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