Well done. Very well done.Speak for yourself.
Well done. Very well done.Speak for yourself.
The answer is you're missing the greater point, which has nothing to do with how the player pans out at the college level. The greater point it, Pitt is recruiting these WPIAL kids just as hard as PSU, but they're overwhelmingly choosing PSU. That's not good. Not just losing on our own turf, but getting crushed on it, for 9 years now. That can't happen. And if Duzz and staff are actually conceding their back yard to PSU, which I don't buy, that's even worse.
He recruited players that were drafted after he was fired. So take those away and his numbers are worse.1 HOFer, 1 sure fire HOFer to be, 1 fringe HOF candidate, Five 1st rd picks. Wanny only coached 6 years.
I know. SMF referred to players on the field and not recruits so I picked the easiest way to disprove him.He did? These players were drafted during his time here and the 4 years after:
2005 Rob Petitti - Walt recruit
2006 Charles Spencer - Walt recruit
2006 Josh Lay - Walt recruit
2007 Darrelle Revis - Walt recruit
2007 Clint Session - Walt recruit
2007 H. B. Blades - Walt recruit
2008 Jeff Otah
2008 Mike McGlynn - Walt recruit
2008 Kennard Cox - Walt recruit
2009 LeSean McCoy
2009 Scott McKillop - Walt recruit
2009 LaRod Stephens-Howling - Walt recruit
2009 Derek Kinder - Walt recruit
I don't care about the WPIAL and I wasn't addressing that. I was addressing your seeming comparison to Narduzzi's recruiting with your statement that Wannstedt "had NFL talent all over the field".
Except that we do.we are NOT going to beat programs on the level of PSU for recruits in Florida, NJ, Philly, or the DMV
I wouldn’t put an arbitrary percentage on it but getting skunked on the top 5-6 WPIAL prospects nearly every year is a really bad look for a program that’s clawing for some semblance of relevancy.Correct. We should be getting at least 40% of the guys Penn State/Notre Dame/Michigan/etc. want. Not 0%, as has been the case since 2021.
We landed 3 highly rated local guys in 2021 and beat Psu for them. It’s been the last 2 years, not the last 5-10 years.I wouldn’t put an arbitrary percentage on it but getting skunked on the top 5-6 WPIAL prospects nearly every year is a really bad look for a program that’s clawing for some semblance of relevancy.
We landed 3 highly rated local guys in 2021 and beat Psu for them. It’s been the last 2 years, not the last 5-10 years.
We didn’t compete against each other for 2022 local recruits and there’s a long way to go until 2025 kids step foot on campus.2022, 2023, 2024, and now 2025. We've not beat them for a single recruit. And frankly 2021 was a one-off for us and WPIAL recruiting. It's been awful since 2017.
False. Just among the '24 commits, there is Cameron Lindsey (WPIAL), Jahsear Whittington, and Sincere Edwards.2022, 2023, 2024, and now 2025. We've not beat them for a single recruit. And frankly 2021 was a one-off for us and WPIAL recruiting. It's been awful since 2017.
Remember PSU also has Bob Palko on staff now, too.Penn st hiring Terry Smith has made a huge difference for them. Not only does he gets who he wants. He poisons the well to local kids about Pitt and their handlers.
We didn’t compete against each other for 2022 local recruits and there’s a long way to go until 2025 kids step foot on campus.
Remember PSU also has Bob Palko on staff now, too.
Remember PSU also has Bob Palko on staff now, too.
I've heard that Pitt really has not done a good job to establish relationships with the WPIAL high school coaches. As someone said above, that might be intentional with Pitt focused on other regions. The truth is, recruiting gets less and less regionalized. Don't get me wrong, the prime recruiting area for any school is still going to be within a few hours, but recruiting is less regionalized than say 20-30 or more years ago. I'd guess that 20-30 years ago, you had many kids who probably rarely traveled outside of state. Maybe a family vacation once a year. Nowadays, you have kids driving hours and hours multiple weekends a year with their 7v7 team to compete in various tournaments. Going to a different part of the country is less and less a big deal with the current generation.
Yes. Palko is on their staff. Another mistake made by NarduzziGet the eff out of here. Are you serious?
Yes. Palko is on their staff. Another mistake made by Narduzzi
They don't go to Syracuse because it is ... Syracuse. They still go to northern schools like Pitt, OSU, Michigan, etc.I don’t think going to a different state is the same thing as going to a different part of the country.
College football is still incredibly regionalized. That’s why the south rose up and dominated college football beginning in the early 2000s, and doesn’t appear as if that will be changing.
It’s just not as state specific dominated. The best kids in FL don’t necessary go to a FL school anymore. But they also aren’t going to Syracuse.
They don't go to Syracuse because it is ... Syracuse. They still go to northern schools like Pitt, OSU, Michigan, etc.
St Joes Prep vs Western Pa all stars. Who wins ? Eastern Pa is much better talent wise.
Are you going to eliminate the players from NJ that play for SJP?St Joes Prep vs Western Pa all stars. Who wins ? Eastern Pa is much better talent wise.
St. Joes would get spanked, every year.St Joes Prep vs Western Pa all stars. Who wins ? Eastern Pa is much better talent wise.
What pisses me off, is he is not doing anything to counter.Unfortunately, Pitt Football Future is in peril.
When we cannot get a sniff from our own local talent that tells me the perception of the program is not very good.
Penn st hiring Terry Smith has made a huge difference for them. Not only does he gets who he wants. He poisons the well to local kids about Pitt and their handlers.
Narduzzi has been out moved by Franklin.
You are so narrow-minded and into myths.Pitt and etc.?
OSU is an exception. And Michigan to a degree.
That’s the extent of it.
Why would he be? They don't play us.Franklin is obsessed with Pitt. Soon, his whole roster and coaching staff will be relatives of former Pitt players. I used to think that Franklin's obsession with Pitt and WPA has hurt him vs OSU and Michigan because I thought he put too much effort into beating Pitt for over-rated local recruits due to a childish beef that he and and Duzz have. But now with the 12 team playoff, they have a bye to the CFP every year now so I guess it doesn't matter.
You are so narrow-minded and into myths.
Players from Florida:
BC - 8
Syracuse - 12
Temple - 14
Cincinnati - 9
WVU - 14
I could go on, but my point is made.
So you want at least 40 WPIAL players on Pitt's roster? And you think that will compete for championships?AGAIN! Somebody, please tell me 1 top team outside of Notre Dame where the bulk of the team (50%ish) is not local to the school? Yes, OSU, Bama, and other powers recruit nationally, but the bulk of their team is still local. Your people and your anti-WPIAL stance are absurd.
Why would he be? They don't play us.
That's kind of what I was typing. Name the forty players over the last four years that would be valuable enough for Pitt to be competitive.So you want at least 40 WPIAL players on Pitt's roster? And you think that will compete for championships?
When did he share that with you?I dont know but he is. He hates Narduzzi.
He got that from the same person who told him that Narduzzi won't quit because he makes too much money, despite hating his job.When did he share that with you?
You can add Oregon to that list.So you want at least 40 WPIAL players on Pitt's roster? And you think that will compete for championships?
LOL
Your point is generally, but not always, legitimate because most of those power teams have a local wealth of talent from which to draw. That's why they are power teams. Pitt doesn't have that luxury.
Oklahoma, Michigan, and Washington, among others, don't have many local players.
He got that from the same person who told him that Narduzzi won't quit because he makes too much money, despite hating his job.
You are so narrow-minded and into myths.
Players from Florida:
BC - 8
Syracuse - 12
Temple - 14
Cincinnati - 9
WVU - 14
I could go on, but my point is made.
Well, just thinking of Michigan's roster from this past season, very few of the guys in the 2 deep are from the state of Michigan. Many of the top players in Michigan are going south to play, like the #1 overall 2024 recruit in the country, the QB that just went to LSU.AGAIN! Somebody, please tell me 1 top team outside of Notre Dame where the bulk of the team (50%ish) is not local to the school? Yes, OSU, Bama, and other powers recruit nationally, but the bulk of their team is still local. Your people and your anti-WPIAL stance are absurd.
Of course, in your typical fashion, you're deliberately ignoring this small but critical part of the post you've been railing about:You are so narrow-minded and into myths.
Players from Florida:
BC - 8
Syracuse - 12
Temple - 14
Cincinnati - 9
WVU - 14
I could go on, but my point is made.