Mahommes is on track to be the greatest QB ever. Saying Lawrence “is no Mahommes” isn’t exactly a slight.
Trevor Lawrence
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Mahommes is on track to be the greatest QB ever. Saying Lawrence “is no Mahommes” isn’t exactly a slight.
Trevor Lawrence says hold my jock strap. Young had 18 TD’s and 18 INT’s in his first 2 years. He had one really good year.
I think they lucked out on the OBJ injury. As talented as he is, I think that's addition by subtraction. He's a cancer.
Young singlehanded.y won a national championship by himself. Against a loaded USC team - I’m not downplaying Lawrence’s skill or impact but Clemson is loaded at every skill position - UT...had basically no one but Young.
I thought the word on the street was that the Jets were drafting Lawrence at #1 and then moving Darnold to the Steelers for a 5th rounder. Frankly I think that’s a good move for the Steelers. Darnold is first round pedigreed but has been given complete trash to work with. Put him behind a decent line with the Steelers receiving corps to bail him out and watch him make a Pro Bowl in a few years.
One of the best college players ever. Would have been the #1 pick aftet his FR season.....and may win 0 Heisman Trophies. That would be a crime. Jason White has one.
He was playing with 3 - 1st Team All Americans and 2 - 3rd Team All Americans. You serious Clark?
There's a big difference between best college player and best individual season. If we're talking best individual season, Cam's title run at Auburn is better than anything Lawrence or Young have done.
I still think Tim Tebow’s 2007 season was the most dominant performance I’ve seen from a college QB, 55 combined TD’s and looked like it could’ve been 70 or more if they wanted it to be.
Not a title team though so he’s out of this discussion, that Gator team still had some issues to work out and wouldn’t win the National Championship until the following season.
I have heard Darnold, Carson Wentz, and even Matt Stafford.
I'm quite sure the lions are going to blow it up and start all over
I'm also quite sure the lions will mangle the rebuild yet again.
Unless they hire Riddick as their GM.
Are the lions that smart?
Not sure but I know this.
Success has followed Lou Riddick everywhere he has gone. Whoever hires the guy will do some damage in a few years.
I enjoy these absurd nonsensical hypotheticals.
I think the offer from the Steelers would have to be like Tomlin, Watt, Claypool, Steelers #1 this year and a future #1 lol. And even then...
It’s a franchise QB. It’s like what would you offer for Mahomes or Allen...there’s almost no price
Which is why the trophy is a joke. On last night’s Alabama-Florida game, the announcers were changing their choice after every play either of the qb’s made. What nonsense.
Name one of them that’s on par with what Clemson has?
Edit: Young reached a win/loss record as a starter of 30–2, ranking him #1 of all University of Texas quarterbacks by number of wins.
Vince Young College Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
Vince Young - Texas (QB)
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I had almost forgotten that Pitts was a PA kid that Pitt recruited as well. We’re talking about QB’s here, but it can be argued that Pitts just completed the greatest single season of any TE in college football history.
I would be very surprised if he doesn’t end up going in the top 10 overall, he is a hell of a player that doesn’t really have a true comp in the NFL. Maybe Claypool or Kittle?
I am surprised by the number of people who believe TL,or any player, is a sure thing at the next level. Don't get me wrong, I believe he is a college great, but it is a different game at the next level particularly at that position (same could be said from hs to D1) and for that reason we could go and on about "Can't miss" draftees that were complete busts, let alone just average players with solid careers.
It’s about his value. Period. His value is astronomically high because of how good he’s been for years plus of course it’s a QB. So look at it in those terms.
And I guess they look at him as can’t miss for his value to be that high so ok. But when you have value like that you don’t settle for Tomlin. You get more. Much more.
The price to move up that high was steep for guys like Burrow. Who had 1 good year. If you move that pick it’s gonna be for a bounty this year more than ever.
Texas recordsVince Young had ONE good season. He is not even in the conversation. Lawrence had 3 great seasons.Vince Young College Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
Vince Young - Texas (QB)
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That looks like more than one good season!
The team was really good, he himself wasn’t very good his first 2 seasons though. Vince Young was maybe the biggest high school recruit in the country, but I think most people would say he had been somewhat of a bust those first 2 years. He was benched a couple separate times and even going into that final season there were still questions as to whether or not he would be the guy in that offense.
Great Junior season obviously, but his combined TD/INT ratio for the 3 years was 44/28, which is relatively pedestrian for someone playing on that good of a team.
Not a Jets fan. Yes, I was wrong. The Jets may very well have blown their chance. I just didn't think anyone could be that stupid. Who knows, they are so dumb, they might not pick him anyway even if they get the chance. They are a shame. The easiest thing to do is just lose, and they couldn't even do that! Lol
I could not agree more. Pulling a Manning is the right play here. He’s the most NFL ready, can’t miss QB in forever, but if he goes to the Jets he may never be heard from again.
On the other hand, you can almost see the Pats and Belichik giving their first 3 draft picks and half of their starters to the Jets to get him-and if they did so, the way they work free agency they’d probably be back to the Super Bowl in 3 years.
To play devil’s advocate: have you ever heard of a professional athlete refusing to play in the New York market? If the rumors are true that they’ll be targeting an experienced, well-respected head coach, perhaps the Jets could be the team that comes together in a short time period? Lots of draft capital and promising prospects on both sides of the ball.
Similar to Mahomes. They are both future HOF players if they stay healthy.
I would say Peyton Manning due to his arm, but Lawrence is a much better athlete. Hard to think of someone that has “all the tools.”
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He sends a Christmas Card, and a fruit basket with a picture of him holding the Heisman to Ron Cook every year, as a thank you.
As I said before there is a reason Darnold is available. As a backup fine. But the Steelers are now in the market for Ben's replacement.
Lawrence has to be a top-ten player for that span. It's impossible to separate his achievements without acknowledging his superb supporting cast. But the kid has great ability and intangibles. Very Peyton-esque. I hesitate to project that to NFL success because I watch Mason Rudolph light it up against Pitt and thought he was a lock to be the next Dan Marino. So I won't jinx the young man with a prediction.
As a freshman he only threw more than 15 passes in a game twice all season. 6 tds and 7 ints on the season. Even in year two, 59.2% completion percentage, 12 tds, 11 ints. But great rushing numbers.
Then as a junior, 65.2%, 26 tds, 10 ints, and still great rushing numbers.
I've tried answering it. I'm not sure anyone has the pure physical traits that Lawrence has. I see elements of his game in many players. Elway probably comes closest imo. I see the physical stature and some of the mobility of Newton. When he was coming out of HS, Dilfer said there were only a few (2-3) NFL QB's who had his physical traits. That was at 18 years old.
The only thing I question with him hitting out of the park are his anticipation skills. When you play with elite talent and you have elite measurables, you often don't get to see those skills on a regular basis. It's kind of an unknown imo.
