Ball washers? You take this stuff pretty personal ehhh? Kenny will be just fine whether he starts this year or not. But Kenny should be scared if this is 2014. Steelers ain't getting that version of Russ. If you are an NFL starter you should be able to defend your spot. Game on Kenny...it's your job to lose.
Update: Russell Wilson signing with Steelers per Schefter
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If Wilson beats out Pickett but doesn't perform well, my second hope would be for him to poison the locker room enough for us to go 5-12 and draft a real QB in 2025. He gives you some options, this guy.
Win/win.
Now do the scenario where Kenny wins but doesn’t perform well.
Wilson leaves the team in week 4.
The defense rallies.
We win 10 games with an average offensive output of 15.3 points.
THE STREAK REMAINS ALIVE.
We lose 31-13 to the Texans in the playoffs, whilst salivating over what it might be like to have a real QB.
22nd pick overall is secured.
We ask Flacco if he's got one more season in him heading into '25.
Some Yinzer writes a Hendrix parody: "Hey Joe, where you goin' with that squirt gun in your hand?," to immortalize just how dead his arm is.
getting him for vet min on one yr contract says everything about what rest of league thinks of him
if 8 can’t beat out this bum then everyone can stop with the Canada excuses
going to be an interesting camp with potential for lots of locker room fractures
if 8 can’t beat out this bum then everyone can stop with the Canada excuses
going to be an interesting camp with potential for lots of locker room fractures
If Wilson beats out Pickett, you really need to root for 5-12 or worse.
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time to start scouting 2025?draft class QBs as Wilson will be lucky to fulfill just the one yr contract. washed up locker room cancer. hooray
He'll probably start off that way, but his leash will be short. He doesn't have any leverage in the situation, and we don't have much invested.
That’s ridiculous. It’s a one year contract for a million, in no way does that guarantee Wilson the job. Kenny’s to lose, lets hope he shows up.
All he has to do is throw 2 TD passes in the same game and everyone will be on their feet going crazy
Me? I never said Wilson was any good, I don't defend him, nor did I want the Steelers to sign him, I don't mind that they did, I will say, if Wilson was bad last year, Kenny needs to improve by a lot to become that bad.
My take on the Steelers QBs:
Wilson
- He was very, very cheap (< $2 million) which is good and bad. He was cheaper than a normal veteran backup. Obviously that helps us keep the cost of our QB room down. But his basement price also reflects how the market perceived him. The fact that he couldn't even get a 2 year deal is fairly stunning to me
- Related to point 1. Some of you guys haven't watched Wilson since about 2014. It hasn't been pretty recently. Two separate NFL teams have now moved on from him. The Steelers are taking a chance on him with no financial downside except the opportunity cost of not developing Pickett. Fine. But his play has been very shaky.
- In 2023 he threw 27% of his passes behind the LOS and 62% within 5 yards. He threw just 26% of his passes between 5-15 yards. These are the worst rates of any QB since 2005. He was not trusted to throw the ball.
- 3.03 time to throw ahead of only Nick Mullens and Justin Fields. And Wilson still took a sack on over 9% of dropbacks, 6th in the NFL behind a wasteland of the TEN QBs, Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, Bryce Young, and Sam Howell. He took a sack on 10% of dropbacks in 2022, 2nd in the NFL behind Fields. His career average is a sack on 8.5% of dropbacks which is among the worst in NFL history for QBs who have started over 100 games. So he generates a ton of negative plays
- Wilson's 2023 MOF throw rate is 5.8%, among the lowest in the NFL. Arthur Smith's scheme relies on quick throws over the MOF. Russell Wilson does not appear to be a scheme fit for this offense. At all.
- Good TD to INT rate. Limited volume thrower, however.
Pickett
- Hasn't played well enough to avoid competition from a veteran. Fine.
- Probably done in Pittsburgh. Whether he loses the starting job in the offseason or not, the moment he has a bad game people will be calling for Wilson.
- The Steelers really mismanaged him. Forcing him to QB3 to "earn" a job in the 2022 preseason and then immediately throwing him to QB1 against a stretch of very good defenses in the NYJ, Eagles, Bills was idiotic but then keeping the worst OC in modern NFL history and stunting his development in 2023 was complete malpractice.
- Pickett is just another wasted premium pick made in the twilight Colbert era (Najee, Pat F, Pickett). Hope he gets another chance elsewhere but he's looking like a backup going forward. Best case scenario for him is getting a shot like Baker or Geno with a staff that knows what they're doing.
Overall
- Based on how the Steelers have evaluated and deployed the QB position in the last 10 years, I don't trust them to get it right either now or in the near future.
- Slight upgrade to QB in 2024. Steelers will be looking for QB1 again in 2025 or by the latest 2026. Wilson is turning 36 and the Steelers will end up wasting Pickett's entire rookie contract with their bizarre treatment of him. I doubt the QB of the future is on the team.
- Desperate win now move. No long term upside anymore.
Wilson
- He was very, very cheap (< $2 million) which is good and bad. He was cheaper than a normal veteran backup. Obviously that helps us keep the cost of our QB room down. But his basement price also reflects how the market perceived him. The fact that he couldn't even get a 2 year deal is fairly stunning to me
- Related to point 1. Some of you guys haven't watched Wilson since about 2014. It hasn't been pretty recently. Two separate NFL teams have now moved on from him. The Steelers are taking a chance on him with no financial downside except the opportunity cost of not developing Pickett. Fine. But his play has been very shaky.
- In 2023 he threw 27% of his passes behind the LOS and 62% within 5 yards. He threw just 26% of his passes between 5-15 yards. These are the worst rates of any QB since 2005. He was not trusted to throw the ball.
- 3.03 time to throw ahead of only Nick Mullens and Justin Fields. And Wilson still took a sack on over 9% of dropbacks, 6th in the NFL behind a wasteland of the TEN QBs, Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, Bryce Young, and Sam Howell. He took a sack on 10% of dropbacks in 2022, 2nd in the NFL behind Fields. His career average is a sack on 8.5% of dropbacks which is among the worst in NFL history for QBs who have started over 100 games. So he generates a ton of negative plays
- Wilson's 2023 MOF throw rate is 5.8%, among the lowest in the NFL. Arthur Smith's scheme relies on quick throws over the MOF. Russell Wilson does not appear to be a scheme fit for this offense. At all.
- Good TD to INT rate. Limited volume thrower, however.
Pickett
- Hasn't played well enough to avoid competition from a veteran. Fine.
- Probably done in Pittsburgh. Whether he loses the starting job in the offseason or not, the moment he has a bad game people will be calling for Wilson.
- The Steelers really mismanaged him. Forcing him to QB3 to "earn" a job in the 2022 preseason and then immediately throwing him to QB1 against a stretch of very good defenses in the NYJ, Eagles, Bills was idiotic but then keeping the worst OC in modern NFL history and stunting his development in 2023 was complete malpractice.
- Pickett is just another wasted premium pick made in the twilight Colbert era (Najee, Pat F, Pickett). Hope he gets another chance elsewhere but he's looking like a backup going forward. Best case scenario for him is getting a shot like Baker or Geno with a staff that knows what they're doing.
Overall
- Based on how the Steelers have evaluated and deployed the QB position in the last 10 years, I don't trust them to get it right either now or in the near future.
- Slight upgrade to QB in 2024. Steelers will be looking for QB1 again in 2025 or by the latest 2026. Wilson is turning 36 and the Steelers will end up wasting Pickett's entire rookie contract with their bizarre treatment of him. I doubt the QB of the future is on the team.
- Desperate win now move. No long term upside anymore.
Well, tough to argue that those stats aren't pretty for Wilson. If Smith likes to utilize the middle of the field that much, then we likely brought in the wrong guy. Should have kept Mason Cole, because it would be easier for a 5'11" guy to throw over a center who is always laying on his ass. And Pickett isn't a fan of doing it, either.
Still, I don't think Pickett has gotten screwed or anything. In most draft classes, he probably doesn't go in the 1st round and might have a career trajectory that is more like a Cody Kessler or something. He made himself a lot of money off good timing.
my man, sorry but i had to repost this and make it bold. if these numbers are correct, and no reason to doubt you, that's unbelievable..
From Warren Sharp. I don't think he's a Pickett guy necessarily but he was highly critical of Canada.
I'll go you one better 80 - when does Wilson becomes a hostage and not a volunteer? I'm betting four games!
It might be worth having one awful, drama-laden season just for the Tomlin sound bytes.
If this were to occur - Mike Tomlin should be no where to be found in those offices. He should be heading to Virginia with Russ on the same bus.
gonna go out on a limb and predict at this time next year, steelers are going to be arguing about what QB we need to draft in first round to be our next guy..
Then he'll take those five sacks a game and throw a game ending pick...and he'll go into the press conference spewking some Sesame Street babble talking about Renegade and "Let's Ride!"All he has to do is throw 2 TD passes in the same game and everyone will be on their feet going crazy
Unfortunately the 2025 draft appears to be pretty weak at QB. It will likely resemble 2022 in terms of quality, maybe 1-2 stronger guys like Shadeur Sanders but they won't be close to the Caleb Williams, Stroud, Trevor Lawrence level.
One of the reasons I wanted them to really figure out if Pickett was the guy or not.
Someone almost always emerges. Carson Beck, maybe? Or maybe Milroe breaks out. Agree it's not looking too hot at the moment, though.
It doesn't say anything about him at all in this case. The Steelers are getting a free $38 million from the Broncos. Should they say, hey Denver, we'll pay him $10 million against our own cap so you don't have to give him as much? How stupid would that be?
If you're argument was the Broncos paying him $38 million next year to not be there shows you what they think about him, then that's valid.
He only threw 8 picks in 15 games, so he really hasn't been known for throwing picks.
Maybe they already have? If they really aren't sure, why bring in Wilson?
^^^This. It’s a low risk/high reward signing.
And we have nothing so it's a no-lose proposition. Kenny has shown next to nothing, Wilson will cost next to nothing, worst case they all suck and maybe we get into a position to draft a QB the next year.
They were saying on Cover 3 that his arm isn't that impressive and there's a chance Arch Manning beats him out at some point this season. I don't know, though.
I don't think it's ridiculous at all, especially since it's a one year contract. Why in the hell would he want to back up anyone at his age for a million dollars when he's got $38m coming irrespective of playing?
He's not being pursued because he's a good teammate and to mentor a young QB. Wilson as a backup is likely way worse than Wilson as a starter.
Teams don't sign QB's at the veteran minimum for one year to be starters but the hyperbole about Pickett will have the folks screaming for Wilson before the first snap. This WILL become a complete cluster.
He's an aging starter... who may or may not be completely cooked... and who may or may not be a complete disaster in the locker room. It's way riskier to give him any type of multi-year contract with guaranteed money than it is to risk him blowing up and having multiple teams trying to outbid us for his 36-year-old services next season.
I agree completely with your second paragraph, but I don’t believe for a second that Kenny won’t be afforded the chance to win the job.
There’s no attachment to Wilson. You lose basically nothing if he doesn’t work out. And if he’s a problem being #2 you cut him.
The same argument would be made if they signed him to a 3 year deal.
Meaning it will be a cluster at some point.
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