In this case, I’m hoping it follows the normal course and the pink slip is being prepared.
You have to fire him, you have to
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In this case, I’m hoping it follows the normal course and the pink slip is being prepared.
https://pittsburgh.forums.rivals.com/threads/holy-crap.116643/#post-1985388
Ticket sales will be much worse next year unless they dramatically lower the cost, which will also cut into revenue.
With lower bowl tickets for ACC games going for $6 on stubhub, the lowest price you can set them, I'm not sure pricing will fix attendance.
Pricing has little to do with attendance when you don't have a product to sell. That's just Sales 101. Pretty basic stuff. You can try and sell garbage for $0.01, but no one will buy it. And if Stallings were here next year, the team would not be improved, and we'd have more of what we have this year. You can't sell that to anyone.
If attendance ever goes up again, and it will, the product on the court needs to improve dramatically (better recruiting and better coaching) and we need a coach who can actually, you know, coach and who can engage the Pitt fanbase. We have none of that now with poor coaching and no recruiting.
If attendance ever goes up again, and it will, the product on the court needs to improve dramatically (better recruiting and better coaching) and we need a coach who can actually, you know, coach and who can engage the Pitt fanbase. We have none of that now with poor coaching and no recruiting.
I don’t think you could fill the upper decks for free right now , but season tickets next season for $99 might spark some interest . Pitt will be better next season and until they can win some games no ones going to care .
Except this isn’t the NBA. Pitt doesn’t get to sign the #1 recruit in the class because they’re a garbage team.
A team with 4 senior starters who made the tournament?
He’s gone.
We are much worse as a result and TCU is much better.
One variable.
Accept this reality- Dixon is a very good coach.
If season tickets were $.01, they would sell out. If they were $50, they would sell out. If they were $100, they'd probably sell out. The issue would be how many would actually show up
STOP inflating the costs!! And Pitt is losing millions in revenue. Stop digging, the hole is already huge.
It really can’t get any worse. Staying with stallings tells the fans you don’t care about the program. There are good coaches to be hired who have strong track records of success
You still don't understand. Pitt right now doesn't have a product to sell. I'll give you that some tickets would be sold if they were $0.01 each or even $1.00 each. Maybe a few thousand. But you'd be surprised how few would really sell. I also guarantee that of the few that would sell at garbage prices, we'd still have what we have now....an empty arena.
So they fire KS and hire a new coach . Whose coming in here right now that will sell any substantial amount of season tickets and how much would that coach cost ? One thing I’ll tell you is that it will cost you a lot more than what KS is making now to attract anyone of note to come to Pitt .
Stop living in the past , there’s no longer a hugh demand for Pitt bb tickets , the BE days are long over . To fill the Pete up again will take a team competing for titles and there’s not a coach in the world that would come to Pitt that can consistently achieve that in the ACC . Eating a 2million dollar a yr contract and then paying someone 3-4million a yr adds 5-6 million a yr to your costs for the next four years . Pitt would have to sell almost 10,000 season tickets at current prices just to pay for its HC salary .
The hole is really deep !
Actually eating a $2 million a year contract and then paying someone $3-4 million per year ADDS $3-4 million per year to your costs, not $5-6 million. I mean you understand that you are paying the $2 million in any event, right?
And the notion that it would take $4-5 million to get a good coach in here is laughable. It's not surprising that you would be trying to peddle something so silly, but that doesn't make it any less laughable.
Obviously the Pitt administration is complicit in this debacle. Watching this team play and the glaring lack of fundamentals is also obvious. Head coach is mainly responsible but I looked at his assistants. Holy crap... 2 of them are in their first year of P5 and 2 others are cast-offs - most recent experience being fired.
No one can succeed with a staff like that. The two who were once players for Stallings - weren't even very good players. This has to be one of the worst staffs in P5. I would venture a guess that Duquesne has a more competent staff. Did the Pitt admin pull the plug on staff salaries knowing revenue would be down 90%? Cause this guy needs a recruiter and a teacher. Right now he has neither.
If I didn't know better I would think the Pitt admin doesn't care and Stallings doesn't care. What a combo.
No one can succeed with a staff like that. The two who were once players for Stallings - weren't even very good players. This has to be one of the worst staffs in P5. I would venture a guess that Duquesne has a more competent staff. Did the Pitt admin pull the plug on staff salaries knowing revenue would be down 90%? Cause this guy needs a recruiter and a teacher. Right now he has neither.
If I didn't know better I would think the Pitt admin doesn't care and Stallings doesn't care. What a combo.
You are more thick in the head than even Dell gives you credit for. Dixon was a great coach, almost no one disagrees. He is gone because he recruited garbage year after year, and the lack of talent shreaded the program.
He left Stallings Jones, Jeter, Young, and Artis. Jones and Jeter were below average ACC players. Young and Artis cared about scoring and little else. That said, what did he have for Stallings waiting in the wings for this season? Damon Wilson, Nix, Milligan, Clark, and Luther who is the one good piece, and happened to be hurt both seasons KS has been here.
Jamie could have hired different assistants to recruit for him, since he couldn't, but, he refused. They better hope they don't lose his recruiters down there or they will be left with a great coach who is coaching stiffs. I wish he was still here and saddled coaching the garbage he accumulated his last few years. Instead, he left, and pawned it off on some poor sucker who just happened to be KS. KS purged the Dixon NEC talent, and chose to start over.
I have accepted your reality, that Dixon is a very good coach. It is time for you to accept reality, the guy failed this University that joined a big boy basketball conference, with his inability to recruit players who could compete in the ACC.
What he was bringing in at the end of his time here would have been lucky to compete with Bobby Mo!
You can add it up anyway you want , but it has the effect of paying your HC position 5-6 million .
What big name fan appealing coach is coming to Pitt for less ? I’ll anwser that for you NONE !
Education is essentially a non consideration for 95% of these kids. 90% couldn't get into these schools if they couldn't dunk. For them, getting an education from any of these schools is a great opportunity.
Exposure, style of play, and returning talent is essentially all tied to the HC.
If you have competitive facilities, 75% of it is about the current coaching staff and program under them. History is largely unimportant. Location and weather can be eliminators, but likely never decision makers.
In the ACC there is Duke and UNC. After that, any school CAN be next on the list. It is a matter of commitment and hiring the right coach. Pitt hired Kevin Stallings and thus is the worst in the conference.
If money was no object, there would be zero chance Stallings kept his job. Absolutely zero.
I don't think Lyke is going to let him have a third year based on that alone.
I don't think Lyke is going to let him have a third year based on that alone.
Pretty hard to admit, but If Dixon kept on the current path he was on, I'd have to say yes.What people need to realize is,this ship was going down before Stallings got here.Attendance was going down too.
I have never been to a Duquesne game at Palumbo, but very well might because of the job Dambrot has done. Pitt fans would come back to The Pete if we gave the effort and produced like Duquesne is right now.
No. If any good coach were here, especially Dixon, Cam would have stayed and been a big contributor. There would not have been the max exodus that happened to Stallings, so by default, the team would have been better. And with a much better coach by default, this team would be close to 0.500 in league games and would end the season above 0.500 in total games. Probably an NIT bid. This is all assuming that Stallings was not the coach and we had a decent coach.
But it doesn't matter. It's all speculation. Coaching does matter and Dixon alone is worth another 6 or 7 wins over Stallings.
Your only forgetting Virginia , ND , Louisville , ,Syracuse all better bb schools . Lets see Pitt or Miami ...I’m going Miami . Now that’s 7 schools ! Pitt should be a middle of pack ACC and if given time will probably be there .
Pitt could be in the top third of the ACC with a good coach.
I am interested - What makes you think Pitt could be in the top third with a good coach?
Any answer will do.
Not consistently .
So Pitts next coach turns out be the best hire in Pitt history how long does he stay ? A lot of the great coaches are getting close to retirement.
No, I am not. If those schools hired Kevin Stallings they would be shit, too. Now, will Louisville make a hire like Kevin Stallings and lose what Pitino built? Now, I highly doubt they will, but if they did, their program would drop precipitously. Louisville has history under Denny Crum, but recruits don't give a damn about that. They care about the here an now. UVa is a good program right now because of Tony Bennett. They had some success under Holland with Sampson, but other than that they are just another program until Bennett. Syracuse is Boeheim and the next hire will determine if they are any good. ND isn't anything significant as a basketball program. Even in this era they have only been pretty good, but have stuck with Brey.
The coach is what matters. After the blue bloods, about the only thing that matters is who you hire. If we hire a Tony Bennett, we can be equal with everyone not name UNC and Duke and still challenge them some. If we hire Kevin Stallings types we are going to be in the bottom 1/4 of the league.
I'll agree with you on that.But, where were the ACC caliber recruits being brought in by Dixon?It looked like he was riding out the Artis/Young class to get as much out of it as he could.And as it turned out,that wasn't much.The last team Jamie had that was worth a darn was the one that lost to Florida in the NCAA's.It seemed to be downhill from there on.And the sad part is, Adams could have been on that team had he stayed.
...in a comparative way - meaning - have the team playing well and near the top of their conference. Dambrot ain't doing at Pitt what he's doing at Duquesne. Just sayin'
If it’s that simple why didn’t pitt go out and hire a great coach ?
When Howland left , Pitt was loaded and couldn’t attract anyone and luckily settled for JD .
Unfortunately Pitt isn’t an attractive job .
Because Scott Barnes didn't care about Pitt. He cared about his cronies. Additionally, it is not for sure Pitt cared. That doesn't mean they couldn't make the right hire (like a Tony Bennett) and move up the pecking order. The difference is first finding a HC. Pitt empowered an absolute moron who was trying to leave from the jump.
You obviously don't think Pitt can be competitive and should settle for being crap. I'm not sure why care.
With the approach of Pitts current brain trust I don’t think anything other than mediocre is possible .
We already did it from 2002-2012 in the best basketball conference. Look at the school about an hour and 30 mins away. They are doing just fine.
I think what you meant to say was that you could state it correctly or you could add up two things that don't need added up in an attempt to make you silly point sound better. And of course that sets aside for the moment the ridiculous notion that you have to spend $4-5 million to get a good coach. There are lots of good coaches that don't make that much, and indeed there are good coaches that don't even make as much as Kevin Stallings. I know you don't like to acknowledge that because those facts don't support the story you are trying to sell, but your feelings don't actually change the facts.
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