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Do you think kids are back in school in the fall?

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    Votes: 28 48.3%

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    Votes: 30 51.7%
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The Colorado governor recently told Superintendents to prepare for a return in January.

https://www.kktv.com/content/news/C...ll-Polis-tells-superintendents-569842041.html

I have kicked around the idea of "redshirting" my own kids depending on the level of education that a potential online program would offer. They are not in HS but I would wonder if there may be many kids out there who would "redshirt" themselves to get an extra year of sports if HS sports are canceled for 20-21. Lets say there's a group of seniors to be, who arent necessarily big-time college recruits but want to play their last season, maybe they take some general classes so they don't graduate and then play their senior season in 21-22.
 
The PIAA clarified this yesterday. You have four consecutive years of eligibility. If you’re going to redshirt you better do it prior to ninth grade.
 
jtownknowitall said:
The PIAA clarified this yesterday. You have four consecutive years of eligibility. If you’re going to redshirt you better do it prior to ninth grade.
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I'd like to see them change that. While there would probably be very few 2021 seniors who choose to redshirt themselves, I think given the circumstances, they should be allowed to do that. I mean, its not just sports. Some kids may want that senior year experience and be ok with putting off college 1 year. There is no guarantee college will be back to completely normal by Fall 2021 anyway.
 
the idea of grade school, middle school kids not going back to school in sept is flat out scary. no joking. i kid about having no football or bars being closed and god forbid i cant freakin golf but no school, when i say this would be horrifying for the economy, parents and most importantly, the children, i mean it.

My school district is ok, they have an online program. my kids are done in 90 minutes. im forcing em outside to run around and even have them do "suicides" in my cul de sac, they do like three then start screaming at me that im a psycho so i let em in. but the education and lessons, both in the classroom and outside it, that they are missing is extremely detrimental.

lets face it. we aren't home school teachers. we work, yes we are there to assist and im basically grading my 2nd grader's school work (online Chromebook lessons don't start til 3rd grade) but we cant do this for another semester. kids are paying the price. they don't know it but they are...

90 minutes of online lessons over a long period of time are not near acceptable for a traditional school day..
 
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Sean Miller Fan said:
The Colorado governor recently told Superintendents to prepare for a return in January.

https://www.kktv.com/content/news/C...ll-Polis-tells-superintendents-569842041.html

I have kicked around the idea of "redshirting" my own kids depending on the level of education that a potential online program would offer. They are not in HS but I would wonder if there may be many kids out there who would "redshirt" themselves to get an extra year of sports if HS sports are canceled for 20-21. Lets say there's a group of seniors to be, who arent necessarily big-time college recruits but want to play their last season, maybe they take some general classes so they don't graduate and then play their senior season in 21-22.
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As another poster pointed out, if you're gonna do it...do it before they're
in h,s. Four consecutive years of eligibility could be an issue. However not
all of our states are the same on this issue. Look before you leap.

I'd be more concerned about the amount of learning now taking place
or NOT taking place as schools adapt to the current state of affairs.
Your post shows that you're concerned about this issue.
My take is that college age students are receiving what they normally
would get in class because colleges already have on line courses in
place. Obviously they can't do hands on, or field type work as well.
However I feel they can meet minimum standards.
School districts on the other hand are more limited in this regard.
An affluent district obviously has more resources and can meet
the educational needs of their studeents better than poorer districts.
 
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Zeldas Open Roof said:
the idea of grade school, middle school kids not going back to school in sept is flat out scary. no joking. i kid about having no football or bars being closed and god forbid i cant freakin golf but no school, when i say this would be horrifying for the economy, parents and most importantly, the children, i mean it.

My school district is ok, they have an online program. my kids are done in 90 minutes. im forcing em outside to run around and even have them do "suicides" in my cul de sac, they do like three then start screaming at me that im a psycho so i let em in. but the education and lessons, both in the classroom and outside it, that they are missing is extremely detrimental.

lets face it. we aren't home school teachers. we work, yes we are there to assist and im basically grading my 2nd grader's school work (online Chromebook lessons don't start til 3rd grade) but we cant do this for another semester. kids are paying the price. they don't know it but they are...

90 minutes of online lessons over a long period of time are not near acceptable for a traditional school day..
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I'm with you.. my first grader buzzes through his stuff but my wife has him doing extra work almost to the point of come on already. Kids need the interaction and a rumor kids baseball might be starting in June ?
 
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Zeldas Open Roof said:
the idea of grade school, middle school kids not going back to school in sept is flat out scary. no joking. i kid about having no football or bars being closed and god forbid i cant freakin golf but no school, when i say this would be horrifying for the economy, parents and most importantly, the children, i mean it.

My school district is ok, they have an online program. my kids are done in 90 minutes. im forcing em outside to run around and even have them do "suicides" in my cul de sac, they do like three then start screaming at me that im a psycho so i let em in. but the education and lessons, both in the classroom and outside it, that they are missing is extremely detrimental.

lets face it. we aren't home school teachers. we work, yes we are there to assist and im basically grading my 2nd grader's school work (online Chromebook lessons don't start til 3rd grade) but we cant do this for another semester. kids are paying the price. they don't know it but they are...

90 minutes of online lessons over a long period of time are not near acceptable for a traditional school day..
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My kid is done everyday in 20-30 minutes. Its a joke. If next year is like this, I am seriously considering redshirting, because that's basically an entire year of school gone and it would also help with sports down the road.
 
Pitt-Chains said:
I'm with you.. my first grader buzzes through his stuff but my wife has him doing extra work almost to the point of come on already. Kids need the interaction and a rumor kids baseball might be starting in June ?
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Based on the WH guidelines, I do not see why youth sports cannot start during "Phase 2" as they say camps and daycare can. I am sure many youth sports cannot but if Birx and Fauci agree your kid can go to daycamp, I think its ok for Little League
 
recruitsreadtheseboards said:
Whatever transpires, you can damn well bet that the PIAA and especially the WPIAL will make the absurd rulings to damage kids as possible.
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If preventing 19 year olds from sitting out a year of high school so they can play fifteen more high school baseball games in 30 degree weather in an attempt to get an offer from Washington and Jefferson is absurd, i suppose so.
 
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Pitt-Chains said:
I'm with you.. my first grader buzzes through his stuff but my wife has him doing extra work almost to the point of come on already. Kids need the interaction and a rumor kids baseball might be starting in June ?
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yeah, my second grader's assignments are laughable. he's done in 20 minutes. i make him read a book just to feel like he is using his brain a little bit..

these teachers are probably enjoying the hell out of this.. i get an email with 15 pdf attachments of assignments once a week and they do a live chat video once a day to say hi to the kids. i should have been a teacher.
 
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Zeldas Open Roof said:
yeah, my second grader's assignments are laughable. he's done in 20 minutes. i make him read a book just to feel like he is using his brain a little bit..

these teachers are probably enjoying the hell out of this.. i get an email with 15 pdf attachments of assignments once a week and they do a live chat video once a day to say hi to the kids. i should have been a teacher.
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My youngest is a third-grade teacher in Flagstaff. She's worried about her kids....14 of 19 are from the Reservation, bad conditions there.
 
Zeldas Open Roof said:
yeah, my second grader's assignments are laughable. he's done in 20 minutes. i make him read a book just to feel like he is using his brain a little bit..

these teachers are probably enjoying the hell out of this.. i get an email with 15 pdf attachments of assignments once a week and they do a live chat video once a day to say hi to the kids. i should have been a teacher.
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I think the opposite actually. It has made me appreciate the heck out of teachers. I coach youth sports and its hard to deal with 8-10 kids for an hour. To teach 25-30 of these kids for 7 hours, my God, you'd have to pay me NFL Rookie money to do that.
 
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jtownknowitall said:
If preventing 19 year olds from sitting out a year of high school so they can play fifteen more high school baseball games in 30 degree weather in an attempt to get an offer from Washington and Jefferson is absurd, i suppose so.
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lol, this was good. true and funny.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
I think the opposite actually. It has made me appreciate the heck out of teachers. I coach youth sports and its hard to deal with 8-10 kids for an hour. To teach 25-30 of these kids for 7 hours, my God, you'd have to pay me NFL Rookie money to do that.
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This. My wife is a teacher and it's an objectively miserable job. The money sucks ($40,000 for a person with a Master's Degree). Long hours - minimum 9 hours per day and often 10-12 with meetings, conferences, and events. Work on the weekends (lesson plans, etc.). Work over the Summer. Paying for supplies for your students. Parents who constantly think they know more than you. You're on your feet all day. It's a crap job. No chance we let our kids do this.
 
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Sean Miller Fan said:
Based on the WH guidelines, I do not see why youth sports cannot start during "Phase 2" as they say camps and daycare can. I am sure many youth sports cannot but if Birx and Fauci agree your kid can go to daycamp, I think its ok for Little League
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I'm hoping not just baseball but the big picture...
 
Zeldas Open Roof said:
the idea of grade school, middle school kids not going back to school in sept is flat out scary. no joking. i kid about having no football or bars being closed and god forbid i cant freakin golf but no school, when i say this would be horrifying for the economy, parents and most importantly, the children, i mean it.

My school district is ok, they have an online program. my kids are done in 90 minutes. im forcing em outside to run around and even have them do "suicides" in my cul de sac, they do like three then start screaming at me that im a psycho so i let em in. but the education and lessons, both in the classroom and outside it, that they are missing is extremely detrimental.

lets face it. we aren't home school teachers. we work, yes we are there to assist and im basically grading my 2nd grader's school work (online Chromebook lessons don't start til 3rd grade) but we cant do this for another semester. kids are paying the price. they don't know it but they are...

90 minutes of online lessons over a long period of time are not near acceptable for a traditional school day..
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Amen, agree with all of this. I am in the same boat.
 
Zeldas Open Roof said:
yeah, my second grader's assignments are laughable. he's done in 20 minutes. i make him read a book just to feel like he is using his brain a little bit..

these teachers are probably enjoying the hell out of this.. i get an email with 15 pdf attachments of assignments once a week and they do a live chat video once a day to say hi to the kids. i should have been a teacher.
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Add their benefits especially in public schools... they save a car payment a month...
My sister taught Catholic grade school in Erie.... can say she did it to teach in a Catholic school and not for the pay...
 
Online schooling is a challenge. You need to either be self-driven and motivated or have a lot of parental support to push you. Beyond that, you aren't going to gain as much sitting in front of a computer as you would in a classroom. I think anyone who has taken an online course has probably experienced this for themselves.
 
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lilspainishflea said:
This. My wife is a teacher and it's an objectively miserable job. The money sucks ($40,000 for a person with a Master's Degree). Long hours - minimum 9 hours per day and often 10-12 with meetings, conferences, and events. Work on the weekends (lesson plans, etc.). Work over the Summer. Paying for supplies for your students. Parents who constantly think they know more than you. You're on your feet all day. It's a crap job. No chance we let our kids do this.
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I think teachers should make a lot of money. Like engineering money. Its a grueling job that takes a special person. But, I also think the number of teaching programs at universities should be drastically cut so that we aren't pumping out an oversupply of teachers every year.
 
lilspainishflea said:
This. My wife is a teacher and it's an objectively miserable job. The money sucks ($40,000 for a person with a Master's Degree). Long hours - minimum 9 hours per day and often 10-12 with meetings, conferences, and events. Work on the weekends (lesson plans, etc.). Work over the Summer. Paying for supplies for your students. Parents who constantly think they know more than you. You're on your feet all day. It's a crap job. No chance we let our kids do this.
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I agree that teachers have a difficult job. While I have no idea where
your wife is working at $40,000/yr it certainly differs from PA public
school district average salaries.
I linked a now outdated chart of average salaries of all pa public
school districts. BTW these are 2017 numbers, so the salaries
are even higher today.
You can see that a Lower Merion is off the charts with a $90,000+
average...but even so a poor district like Aliquippa is $61,000+.
Ambridge is $58,000. Is your wife in a public school district in Pa?
I realize it's a tough job (my wife is also a teacher). Teachers are
no longer poor as they were in the past. They're also certainly
not overpaid either.
Starting teacher salaries in PA 2017-18 were $44,647. It's
obviously even higher now. (2 links )
https://whyy.org/articles/what-the-average-classroom-teacher-earns-in-every-pa-
[URL]http://www.nea.org/home/2017-2018-average-starting-teacher-salary.htmlpublic-school-district/[/URL]
 
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High School/elementary? Depends where. Allegheny county has been relatively calm, I could potentially see a return, but maybe no fall sports/band. Do we need to have temperature checks at the door? I remember parents dropping their kids off at daycare literally puking as they walked in the door. Can't trust parents to do the right thing and call off work and stay home with a sick kid. So how do you set that up? Kid has a temp, put him in isolation, then call parent? Lots more overhead for the schools.

College? I think a hybrid model. Some classes that need to be in person will be that way (Organic chem lab). Others will still be remote. Encourage local kids to commute and reduce footprint on campus. Football? Will be very interesting.
 
Starting teacher salaries in some districts in PA is $25,000. How many years it takes to be making $40,000 let alone $60,000, I don’t know.
 
jtownknowitall said:
Starting teacher salaries in some districts in PA is $25,000. How many years it takes to be making $40,000 let alone $60,000, I don’t know.
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rich suburban districts in Allegheny county....after about 20 years, and with a Masters, make at least 90K. The data is all online, pretty interesting to review.
 
Zeldas Open Roof said:
the idea of grade school, middle school kids not going back to school in sept is flat out scary. no joking. i kid about having no football or bars being closed and god forbid i cant freakin golf but no school, when i say this would be horrifying for the economy, parents and most importantly, the children, i mean it.

My school district is ok, they have an online program. my kids are done in 90 minutes. im forcing em outside to run around and even have them do "suicides" in my cul de sac, they do like three then start screaming at me that im a psycho so i let em in. but the education and lessons, both in the classroom and outside it, that they are missing is extremely detrimental.

lets face it. we aren't home school teachers. we work, yes we are there to assist and im basically grading my 2nd grader's school work (online Chromebook lessons don't start til 3rd grade) but we cant do this for another semester. kids are paying the price. they don't know it but they are...

90 minutes of online lessons over a long period of time are not near acceptable for a traditional school day..
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What time do your kids start the online program each day?
 
Chescat said:
I agree that teachers have a difficult job. While I have no idea where
your wife is working at $40,000/yr it certainly differs from PA public
school district average salaries.
I linked a now outdated chart of average salaries of all pa public
school districts. BTW these are 2017 numbers, so the salaries
are even higher today.
You can see that a Lower Merion is off the charts with a $90,000+
average...but even so a poor district like Aliquippa is $61,000+.
Ambridge is $58,000. Is your wife in a public school district in Pa?
I realize it's a tough job (my wife is also a teacher). Teachers are
no longer poor as they were in the past. They're also certainly
not overpaid either.
Starting teacher salaries in PA 2017-18 were $44,647. It's
obviously even higher now. (2 links )
https://whyy.org/articles/what-the-average-classroom-teacher-earns-in-every-pa-
http://www.nea.org/home/2017-2018-average-starting-teacher-salary.htmlpublic-school-district/
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She's in Cobb County, GA, which is the richest county in the state, by far. I probably rounded down a little bit and they have finally got raises the last 2 years. Still, our rates are way below PA (even though we have a 6% state income tax and a local sales tax of 9%): teachers with 1-3 years experience get $47,000. She's at Step 7 so that's $52,000 or $59,000 with a Master's Degree. I'm sure down in Southern GA it's way worse. I think the lowest paid person in my company, who doesn't have a college degree, makes about $45,000.

GA teachers also have a terrible pension system. It's basically a 401(k) that you can't touch until: a) you do 30 years; or b) you do 20 years and turn 65. Gone are the days that you'd go into public work for the benefits. Her health insurance is even worse than mine.
 
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Our school has already started to have meetings about
school being on line in the fall.

Interested observation was the district might try and start school on
August 1 and have a month long break over Christmas.
 
Ski11585 said:
Anyone else think it’s weird to talk about redshirting your middle schooler?
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Lol yes but in reality, parents hold their kids back a year in grade school all the time. Obviously it’s usually more for maturity reasons, both intelligence and physical or emotional.

But I dont think it’s crazy to say that sports was a big reason why a parent held their kid back in school. Which again, is the same premise as redshirting.
 
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Anyone else think it’s weird to talk about redshirting your middle schooler?
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It depends the age and when their birthday is. A lot of kids are held back in the 5-6 age range. If your child is one of the youngest in their class, then it really isn’t a big deal. It is weird for guys like Maverick Rowan who are 20 when they graduate because they were held back multiple times.
 
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Zeldas Open Roof said:
Lol yes but in reality, parents hold their kids back a year in grade school all the time. Obviously it’s usually more for maturity reasons, both intelligence and physical or emotional.

But I dont think it’s crazy to say that sports was a big reason why a parent held their kid back in school. Which again, is the same premise as redshirting.
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Yea it is a weird thing to think about it, I must admit. But these are different times. For me, I have to consider the level of education being provided. If its just 30-60 minutes of "homework" with us providing "instruction," I am going to really consider it but also based on 2 other factors:

a) sports
b) it will allow my 2 to be in the same school for more years as I wouldn't RS the other due to age and lack of sports potential
 
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