LOL...you do know that agents of clients tell their clients to vote for their other clients.
I will leave this here....
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I mean what are we even doing here? People will go to great lengths to defend the logo…or the coach/owner. The best barometer on how you draft and development players is winning playoff games and competing for championships. And winning playoff games in only 4 of 18 years isn’t anything to be proud of. And there’s an asterisk there too because the one win was gifted to them by epic Burfict and Pac-Man meltdowns.
One other thing that is going unsaid. This is a college FB board so we should really understand this. The Steelers have been the winningest franchise since the merger of the AFL and NFL. There is a different standard here. There is a different standard for an Alabama over a Mississippi State or South Carolina. Or hell, Pitt. I know some don't like to here and acknowledge this, but that is the legacy of this franchise that has been created in the modern era. I feel some of you are okay with "settling" and that's fine. But I do feel for sure the current Owner Art Rooney II is definitely okay with settling.
Iron Mike Sharpe Tomlin: Playoff Jobber.
This year's assignment: serve as enhancement talent for the Baltimore Ravens. Just wild how many times we can keep having the same season.
LOL at these. Anyone who watched Sam Darnold last night and thinks the Vikings are 4th is a numbskull. The Eagles whooped the Ravens in Baltimore towards the end of the year.
The biggest one was the Herschel Walker trade, which netted Dallas 3 first round picks, 3 second round picks, and 3 super bowls.
I just find it interesting that there is never a clamor to fire Harbaugh from Baltimore. And he actually has a MVP quarterback.
They didn’t win a playoff game cowhers first 2 seasons either .
It’s why I said to 93.
Well...the previous years prior to the 80s record, the Steelers were kind of a big deal with 4 Super Bowls in 6 years - while this team hasn't won a playoff game in 8. Jussssstttt a bit outside.
I'm so tired of this thread. Anyone defending Tomlin at this point deserves 20 more seasons of 500 football and zero playoff wins in that time. He gives you elegant speech and the players love him because anything goes. That is not the formula to challenge for league supremacy.
You don't see the difference between going 10-7 and getting completely outclassed in the postseason vs winning divisions, winning a few playoff games, and losing to all-time greats in competitive postseason games?
And if they want to fire Harbaugh, I say go ahead. I don't think he's considered to be completely blameless down there.
The underlying difference, however, is that they usually have a team that could win a championship while we do not.
I never see the clamor, EVERY DAMN YEAR, for Harbaugh to be fired although I fail to see any measurable difference between him
and Tomlin.
And there should be more expected of Harbaugh considering who his quarterback is. Nobody gives a st whether you finish second best or tenth best. If the goal is titles? Don’t move the goalposts. Baltimore had home field last year against Kansas City and wet the bed
Dude, they were right there with KC. A Zay Flowers fumble at the goal line kept them from tying it up. Baltimore has a real coach and a real team that can compete with anyone. Ofcourse everyone wants to win it all, but, it's only realistic for a select few. The Steelers used to be in that select few, they aren't any longer.
Oh so being right there is all that matters now? Despite being the favorite, with the better record, on their home damn field?
When was the last time Harbaugh made it to a Super Bowl?
You should probably google it. There was a lot of talk about whether Harbaugh is or should be on the hot seat prior to this season. I mean, at least they aren't afraid to talk about it down there. In Pittsburgh, a media type gets the cold shoulder if they even hint at the possibility. Hell, they were afraid to call out Canada until the fans were booing the dude.
Yeah, 100%. Tomlin holds on to old dudes like he's afraid to break up with them. Pouncey is a good recent example. He was allowed to stay several years beyond his ability to anchor that OL.
Okay, well tell Harbaugh to not win a playoff game in 8 consecutive seasons (9 if he loses this week) and we'll see what the heat level looks like.
In other words, they've been to the divisional round or better three times since the Steelers last have (2019 was a divisional round loss, not a first round loss which would be a wildcard). See how that's better?
Yes, that's the other thing. Harbaugh has definitely NOT been immune to criticism.
Yeah explain to all of us how that is better? Home field twice in five years with what to show for it?
Not at all. There is almost an annual, "Is Harbaugh on the hot seat?", post or article every February. Page 2 of a Google search has an ESPN piece from November of 2018 when they were tanking.
Explain to you how getting to the divisional round or better three times in the last five seasons (soon to be four times in six seasons) is more desirable than getting there zero times in the last six seasons (soon to be seven seasons)?
Like I said, tell John to not win a playoff games in eight consecutive seasons and we'll see if he lasts. It's actually insane that Mike Tomlin is still here, much less making $12.5M/year.
So the point is not to win Super Bowls fk even get to Super Bowls. The point is merely to win a playoff game, right? Two playoff wins in five years is all you need.
Got it
Brian Billick was fired after winning two AFC North Titles and going 43-37 in his last 5 years at Baltimore.
The point is to win Super Bowls. The closer you get to that goal, the better. By your own fromunda-scented logic, Mike Tomlin is as good of a coach, since 2009, as Jeff Staurday. Neither have won a Super Bowl, so they're basically the same.
Baltimore had home field twice in a five year span and managed just one victory. I am confident they wouldn’t have that one victory had they played anyone other than Houston last year.
Tomlin and Harbaugh are no different. If you criticize one you have to criticize the other
1) You're wrong - they have two playoff wins in the last five years
2) You mean that same Houston team that took Tomlin's boys behind the woodshed last year?
3) We're discrediting playoff wins because of who they played now? What about getting Ryan Tannehill at home? What about the end of the Cincy game turning into the Jerry Springer show? What about getting Tebow and Bortles... whoops! Forgot they lost those game.
I am referring to the agenda of the national media. I actually am not advocating for Harbaugh to be fired. Nothing wrong with having competitive teams year in and out.
Pitt fans should be aware of what occurs when you get greedy and think just being competitive isn’t enough
Agenda of the national media? They have been kissing Tomlin's ass for 17 years. They hold him on a pedestal like no other, while coaches with very similar resumes (Mike McCarthy, etc.) get shredded. Give me a break; Mike Tomlin is their golden boy.
Yeah Baltimore has shown a history of wetting the bed in crunch time so yes they were lucky to see Houston last year. The next week not so lucky lol
Which is completely untrue. Don’t confuse local media with national media
Like I said, if they want to move on from Harbaugh I think they're well within reason to do so. He's been better than Tomlin since that ancient Super Bowl win against the Cardinals, but that doesn't mean he's been good enough either. Not sure how this ever devolved into an either/or discussion.
And if the Steelers did manage to beat the Ravens this week, I'd fire Harbaugh the next day.
