Important SMF bowl update

[Sean Miller Fan]

I apologize that I was incorrect in saying that ACC Division champs cannot fall out of Tier 1. It appears that was an old rule before the new contract started in 2014.

However, although that rule does not officially exist anymore, I have it from a very good source that "valuing a division championship" is part of the selection critieria. Now, that might mean a lot, it might mean very little. Remember, the ACC takes an active role in the Tier 1 process. My interpretation of that is although Pitt can technically fall out of Tier 1, the ACC would be unhappy if the Tier 1 bowls left out a Division champ and they probably wouldn't.

Couple more things:

Root hard against VT these next 2 weeks (they play Marshall if they beat UVa). VT travels and at 6-6, the Music City might like them.

Root against NC State. They play 2 inferior opponents but both are in-state rivalries that they can lose. An 8-4 and especially a 7-5 NC State is less attractive to the Camping World Bowl.

Root for BC to beat Dungy-less Syracuse just in case the Camping World bowl would take a ranked Syr at 9-3.

Root against GT. A win over UGa and 8-4 probably gets them the Music City.

Obviously beating Miami is big for our bowl prospects. Not only would it get us to 8 wins and pretty much assure us of staying in the post-season Top 25 but it makes Miami finish 6-6 making them less marketable.

As it stands, I believe we have no chance at the Belk (UVa/VT) or Pinstripe (Syr). Orlando is an option if WVU is there and/or NC State loses 1-2 more.

Pitt vs Miami is probably for the Music City unless VT were to go 6-6 and they could take them or if GT beats UGa.

The loser of Pitt/Miami probably goes to the Sun.

 

[maxxwell]

Pretty clear that ACC needs some better bowl tie-ins. Hope it happens soon.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Pretty clear that ACC needs some better bowl tie-ins. Hope it happens soon.

Unlikely.

The b10 and Sec are the big dogs, with the pac being the west coast filler

 

[President Stache]

Who cares?

Bowls have zippo to do with how good your team is, just how large your school is and how well you bring travel and tv revenue

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Who cares?

Bowls have zippo to do with how good your team is, just how large your school is and how well you bring travel and tv revenue

Correct.

Though I’d like to visit Nashville, as it’s a cool town

 

[BFo8]

I apologize that I was incorrect in saying that ACC Division champs cannot fall out of Tier 1. It appears that was an old rule before the new contract started in 2014.

However, although that rule does not officially exist anymore, I have it from a very good source that "valuing a division championship" is part of the selection critieria. Now, that might mean a lot, it might mean very little. Remember, the ACC takes an active role in the Tier 1 process. My interpretation of that is although Pitt can technically fall out of Tier 1, the ACC would be unhappy if the Tier 1 bowls left out a Division champ and they probably wouldn't.

Couple more things:

Root hard against VT these next 2 weeks (they play Marshall if they beat UVa). VT travels and at 6-6, the Music City might like them.

Root against NC State. They play 2 inferior opponents but both are in-state rivalries that they can lose. An 8-4 and especially a 7-5 NC State is less attractive to the Camping World Bowl.

Root for BC to beat Dungy-less Syracuse just in case the Camping World bowl would take a ranked Syr at 9-3.

Root against GT. A win over UGa and 8-4 probably gets them the Music City.

Obviously beating Miami is big for our bowl prospects. Not only would it get us to 8 wins and pretty much assure us of staying in the post-season Top 25 but it makes Miami finish 6-6 making them less marketable.

As it stands, I believe we have no chance at the Belk (UVa/VT) or Pinstripe (Syr). Orlando is an option if WVU is there and/or NC State loses 1-2 more.

Pitt vs Miami is probably for the Music City unless VT were to go 6-6 and they could take them or if GT beats UGa.

The loser of Pitt/Miami probably goes to the Sun.

I’m unhappy with you SMF, you are usually very reliable with this info.

The Sun is far and away the easiest trip for me, but I hope it’s something better of course.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

I’m unhappy with you SMF, you are usually very reliable with this info.

The Sun is far and away the easiest trip for me, but I hope it’s something better of course.

The acc views all bowls as tier 1.
Orlando gets to pick first-

Otherwise it’s a grab bag

 

[HailtoPitt]

I apologize that I was incorrect in saying that ACC Division champs cannot fall out of Tier 1. It appears that was an old rule before the new contract started in 2014.

However, although that rule does not officially exist anymore, I have it from a very good source that "valuing a division championship" is part of the selection critieria. Now, that might mean a lot, it might mean very little. Remember, the ACC takes an active role in the Tier 1 process. My interpretation of that is although Pitt can technically fall out of Tier 1, the ACC would be unhappy if the Tier 1 bowls left out a Division champ and they probably wouldn't.

Couple more things:

Root hard against VT these next 2 weeks (they play Marshall if they beat UVa). VT travels and at 6-6, the Music City might like them.

Root against NC State. They play 2 inferior opponents but both are in-state rivalries that they can lose. An 8-4 and especially a 7-5 NC State is less attractive to the Camping World Bowl.

Root for BC to beat Dungy-less Syracuse just in case the Camping World bowl would take a ranked Syr at 9-3.

Root against GT. A win over UGa and 8-4 probably gets them the Music City.

Obviously beating Miami is big for our bowl prospects. Not only would it get us to 8 wins and pretty much assure us of staying in the post-season Top 25 but it makes Miami finish 6-6 making them less marketable.

As it stands, I believe we have no chance at the Belk (UVa/VT) or Pinstripe (Syr). Orlando is an option if WVU is there and/or NC State loses 1-2 more.

Pitt vs Miami is probably for the Music City unless VT were to go 6-6 and they could take them or if GT beats UGa.

The loser of Pitt/Miami probably goes to the Sun.

The rule change was made for examples like a 7-5 Pitt or Cuse team that doesn't travel well winning the division. The 'respect our division winner' stuff likely only matters when the division winner is a school further south then Pitt. Else, why change the rule?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The acc views all bowls as tier 1.
Orlando gets to pick first-

Otherwise it’s a grab bag

No.

Camping World

Tier 1
Belk
Pinstripe
Sun
Music City/Gator

Tier 2
Quick Lane
Independence
Military
That TB Ray's bowl

 

[California Panther]

The Sun is far and away the easiest trip for me, but I hope it’s something better of course.

Like you, the Sun is the easiest trip for me and I've been to 2 Pitt Sun Bowls, but again like you, I hope Pitt gets something better.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Like you, the Sun is the easiest trip for me and I've been to 2 Pitt Sun Bowls, but again like you, I hope Pitt gets something better.

One trip to El Paso was enough for me

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I apologize that I was incorrect in saying that ACC Division champs cannot fall out of Tier 1. It appears that was an old rule before the new contract started in 2014.

However, although that rule does not officially exist anymore, I have it from a very good source that "valuing a division championship" is part of the selection critieria. Now, that might mean a lot, it might mean very little. Remember, the ACC takes an active role in the Tier 1 process. My interpretation of that is although Pitt can technically fall out of Tier 1, the ACC would be unhappy if the Tier 1 bowls left out a Division champ and they probably wouldn't.

Couple more things:

Root hard against VT these next 2 weeks (they play Marshall if they beat UVa). VT travels and at 6-6, the Music City might like them.

Root against NC State. They play 2 inferior opponents but both are in-state rivalries that they can lose. An 8-4 and especially a 7-5 NC State is less attractive to the Camping World Bowl.

Root for BC to beat Dungy-less Syracuse just in case the Camping World bowl would take a ranked Syr at 9-3.

Root against GT. A win over UGa and 8-4 probably gets them the Music City.

Obviously beating Miami is big for our bowl prospects. Not only would it get us to 8 wins and pretty much assure us of staying in the post-season Top 25 but it makes Miami finish 6-6 making them less marketable.

As it stands, I believe we have no chance at the Belk (UVa/VT) or Pinstripe (Syr). Orlando is an option if WVU is there and/or NC State loses 1-2 more.

Pitt vs Miami is probably for the Music City unless VT were to go 6-6 and they could take them or if GT beats UGa.

The loser of Pitt/Miami probably goes to the Sun.

The rule change was made for examples like a 7-5 Pitt or Cuse team that doesn't travel well winning the division. The 'respect our division winner' stuff likely only matters when the division winner is a school further south then Pitt. Else, why change the rule?

I see what you are saying but the Sun Bowl had to take 6-7 Coastal winner GT in 2013, the 2nd straight year they had them. This would be an example of a rare situation where maybe the Coastal winner could fall out of Tier 1.

Even if everything negative happens, its hard to see us falling passed the Sun.

 

[PittCity]

Everytime I see the OP speak , I know its about him.

boring..............

 

[bwh05]

Believe it or not, our poor reputation for not traveling has improved with the bowls. Word is they actually want us in Orlando. I don’t think we get passed around like hot potato this year, but our play vs Miami & Clemson definitely will play into things.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Believe it or not, our poor reputation for not traveling has improved with the bowls. Word is they actually want us in Orlando. I don’t think we get passed around like hot potato this year, but our play vs Miami & Clemson definitely will play into things.

The Orlando Sentinel writer has us in the CW Bowl vs Iowa State. However, I don't know if he has any inside info or is an idiot who just looks at records and slots teams accordingly like most bowl predictors do.

 

[bwh05]

The Orlando Sentinel writer has us in the CW Bowl vs Iowa State. However, I don't know if he has any inside info or is an idiot who just looks at records and slots teams accordingly like most bowl predictors do.

He has inside info because they want us. Like I said, I don’t know if that’s contingent on us winning Saturday & and not getting smacked in the title game or what, but we’re at the top of their list. I know, it’s a little bit shocking.

 

[Las Panteras]

Important......and SMF in the same post.......

Pass.

 

[PittCity]

Important......and SMF in the same post.......

Pass.

not fooling anyone
SMF is Eihorn. and las Panteras

 

[OhioPittFan]

I like the Sun Bowl matchups but hate the location. It would be nice if they could flip it with Vegas Bowl eventually. I’m guessing that one will move to new Raiders stadium and could become a slightly bigger bowl like Sun with that.

Move the PAC12 vs MWC matchup to El Paso/Sun Bowl.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Correct.

Though I’d like to visit Nashville, as it’s a cool town

It's easy to get to Nashville. You don't need Pitt playing in a bowl game there to get there or enjoy it. I've been there more than a dozen times and I enjoy it every time. And I don't recall Pitt ever being part of that. Make the trip anyhow. It's worth it.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Anything please other than Detroit and the largest garbage dump in the world New York City.

 

[McKee Place]

Odds are we are going to lose the next two. I think it'll end up in beggars/choosers mode for bowls for us then. Nobody beyond we core fans care about a purely academic division win when you're 7-6.

Should WVU lose again it would be smart business for a bowl to want to match the two of us up. Who cares of the respective records. Shouldn't selling tickets, people willing to travel, and potential ratings trump most everything? It's a main reason why they build so many arbitrary loopholes into it.

But that applied alot of times when either PSU or WVU were in similar positions to be matched with us in conference-compatible bowls, and instead all teams involved were put into crappy arbitrary matchups nobody cares about. So to me it seems logic and sense are never part of the equation. It must be all the old coots who wear the funky blazers gathering in a big smoke filled room with booze and hookers.

Thus I'll figure on the Detroit bowl against a MAC team and anything above and beyond that is a bonus. The bowl itself already is a bonus anyway, vs what we were expecting a month ago.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Odds are we are going to lose the next two. I think it'll end up in beggars/choosers mode for bowls for us then. Nobody beyond we core fans care about a purely academic division win when you're 7-6.

Should WVU lose again it would be smart business for a bowl to want to match the two of us up. Who cares of the respective records. Shouldn't selling tickets, people willing to travel, and potential ratings trump most everything? It's a main reason why they build so many arbitrary loopholes into it.

But that applied alot of times when either PSU or WVU were in similar positions to be matched with us in conference-compatible bowls, and instead all teams involved were put into crappy arbitrary matchups nobody cares about. So to me it seems logic and sense are never part of the equation. It must be all the old coots who wear the funky blazers gathering in a big smoke filled room with booze and hookers.

Thus I'll figure on the Detroit bowl against a MAC team and anything above and beyond that is a bonus. The bowl itself already is a bonus anyway, vs what we were expecting a month ago.

Let's say we lose the next 2 and VT isn't bowl eligible. Its us or GT for the Sun.

CW: NCSU
Belk: UVa
Pinstripe: Syr
MC: Miami
Sun: Pitt, GT, Duke, BC. Has to be Pitt there

 

[BFo8]

Let's say we lose the next 2 and VT isn't bowl eligible. Its us or GT for the Sun.

CW: NCSU
Belk: UVa
Pinstripe: Syr
MC: Miami
Sun: Pitt, GT, Duke, BC. Has to be Pitt there

Georgia Tech has won 6 out of 7 and is playing great football. Not out of the realm of possibility that they upset a Georgia team that will clearly be looking ahead.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Clem, nd out so if there are at least 5 8 win teams left and Pitt is at 7 they are out of tier one pool without the provision.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Clem, nd out so if there are at least 5 8 win teams left and Pitt is at 7 they are out of tier one pool without the provision.

This isn't true. Anyone can be selected for Tier 1. The "1 win rule" only applies to ND

 

[Las Panteras]

Sun: Pitt, GT, Duke, BC. Has to be Pitt there

Why? Because Pitt beat these teams?

Would have no bearing whatsoever on their selection.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

This isn't true. Anyone can be selected for Tier 1. The "1 win rule" only applies to ND

Oh that’s right. Swofford has said 6-6 can’t go to tier one if 8-4 still avail I think.

 

[Dan1911]

Extra practice and team/staff development and a vacation and some swag for the kids. Hope they get a nice bowl but it’s all gravy.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Odds are we are going to lose the next two. I think it'll end up in beggars/choosers mode for bowls for us then. Nobody beyond we core fans care about a purely academic division win when you're 7-6.

Should WVU lose again it would be smart business for a bowl to want to match the two of us up. Who cares of the respective records. Shouldn't selling tickets, people willing to travel, and potential ratings trump most everything? It's a main reason why they build so many arbitrary loopholes into it.

But that applied alot of times when either PSU or WVU were in similar positions to be matched with us in conference-compatible bowls, and instead all teams involved were put into crappy arbitrary matchups nobody cares about. So to me it seems logic and sense are never part of the equation. It must be all the old coots who wear the funky blazers gathering in a big smoke filled room with booze and hookers.

Thus I'll figure on the Detroit bowl against a MAC team and anything above and beyond that is a bonus. The bowl itself already is a bonus anyway, vs what we were expecting a month ago.

Yes, the odds are very high that we're going to lose the next 2 games and limp into a "bowl" game at 7-6. If we happen to pull off the upset and beat Miami, we're only at 8-5. That's barely eligible in my mind. Whatever "bowl" we get will be some obscure, nobody watches bowl game. But at least the kids can have some practice time.

I'm sorry if that hurts all the widdle feewings of the delusional ones on here. I'd love if we could beat Miami and Clemson, but I doubt that happens.

 

[Dan1911]

Im guessing its easier to recruit kids with a winning record and a bowl appearance. If not so, i apologize for not knowing that much about recruiting.

 

[FreddieFunk]

Believe it or not, our poor reputation for not traveling has improved with the bowls. Word is they actually want us in Orlando. I don’t think we get passed around like hot potato this year, but our play vs Miami & Clemson definitely will play into things.

We traveled well to WAKE, that much I know for sure, I was there, great Pitt turnout

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Oh that’s right. Swofford has said 6-6 can’t go to tier one if 8-4 still avail I think.

That's not true either. 6-6 can go over 10-2 if they want as there is no restriction but obviously the ACC wants their better teams in the better bowls so it would take an unusual set of circumstances for a 6 win team to go over an 8 or 9 win team

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Why? Because Pitt beat these teams?

Would have no bearing whatsoever on their selection.

No. Because:

- Pitt would be a division winner and I believe the Sun would have to give a good reason for letting them slip to Tier 2. Nobody travels to that game remember.

- Miami was there 2 years ago

- GT was there in 2012 and 2013 and although that was awhile ago, local fans may want someone different and GT doesn't travel or move the needle anyway

- Duke and BC don't have fans

 

[BFo8]

No. Because:

- Pitt would be a division winner and I believe the Sun would have to give a good reason for letting them slip to Tier 2. Nobody travels to that game remember.

- Miami was there 2 years ago

- GT was there in 2012 and 2013 and although that was awhile ago, local fans may want someone different and GT doesn't travel or move the needle anyway

- Duke and BC don't have fans

Hopefully the USA Today guy has no idea what he’s talking about as he has Pitt vs Eastern Michigan in Detroit.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Hopefully the USA Today guy has no idea what he’s talking about as he has Pitt vs Eastern Michigan in Detroit.

Possible but if it comes down to it, I think the Sun would have to really provide a great reason to the ACC why they aren't taking a Division Champ. I am assuming FSU is going to lose to Florida but the chance of having FSU could be one of those unusual circumstances

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

That's not true either. 6-6 can go over 10-2 if they want as there is no restriction but obviously the ACC wants their better teams in the better bowls so it would take an unusual set of circumstances for a 6 win team to go over an 8 or 9 win team

Couple years ago he said no 6-6 va tech tier one but guess all case by case so sucks all you get for div champ is ‘ some value’

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

That's not true either. 6-6 can go over 10-2 if they want as there is no restriction but obviously the ACC wants their better teams in the better bowls so it would take an unusual set of circumstances for a 6 win team to go over an 8 or 9 win team

Couple years ago he said no 6-6 va tech tier one but guess all case by case so sucks all you get for div champ is ‘ some value’

Yea, I remember that. The best I can tell is that the ACC would not allow the Belk to take 6-6 VT over 8-4 Pitt and send them and 7-5 NC State to Tier 2 bowls. The Belk badly wanted VT but there was no ACC rule preventing them from taking them. The ACC plays an equal hand in these selections and probably told the Belk they cannot justify them taking a 6-6 team when there is an 8-4 or 7-5 team available. Like, if Pitt played in the ACCCG in Charlotte that year and NCSU played in the Belk the year before, that would create an unusual set of circumstances for them to take a 6-6 team

 

[thebeloved]

Odds are we are going to lose the next two. I think it'll end up in beggars/choosers mode for bowls for us then. Nobody beyond we core fans care about a purely academic division win when you're 7-6.

Should WVU lose again it would be smart business for a bowl to want to match the two of us up. Who cares of the respective records. Shouldn't selling tickets, people willing to travel, and potential ratings trump most everything? It's a main reason why they build so many arbitrary loopholes into it.

But that applied alot of times when either PSU or WVU were in similar positions to be matched with us in conference-compatible bowls, and instead all teams involved were put into crappy arbitrary matchups nobody cares about. So to me it seems logic and sense are never part of the equation. It must be all the old coots who wear the funky blazers gathering in a big smoke filled room with booze and hookers.

Thus I'll figure on the Detroit bowl against a MAC team and anything above and beyond that is a bonus. The bowl itself already is a bonus anyway, vs what we were expecting a month ago.

Typical PItt fan

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Important......and SMF in the same post.......

Pass.

He butchered the hoop coaching hire with one bad post after another. Is that norm for him?

If it is I’m taking my like back