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Neither is acceptable. Narduzzi has greatly underachieved thru 6 years, is 18-17 against FBs competition with his players and has a 5th year starter at QB. If he gets another year after he underachieves AGAIN this year it’s simply because Lyke has tied herself to much to both coaches.
lol you got me there man. Winning the worst division in football and going 6-7 against FBS competition including 8 yards passing in the ACc title game was quite the monumental season in Pittsburgh football history. I know I’ll always hold dear that coastal title losing the last 3 games of the season.
Narduzzi’s crowning moment was winning 6 games against D1 competition in his 4th year. What are we doing here people?
I can’t wait for the next time Narduzzi bashes a minor on Twitter. That will be go up there with 13-9, Larry fitz insight bowl catch and Palko’s game winner in 04 as some of my favorite moments in Pittsburgh history.
Duzz has wins against Top 5 programs, a division title, his program is in the top 3rd in conference winning percentage,
What are your expectations?
To be better than 18-17 with his players. To not act like a child on Twitter. To not look like a buffoon on the sidelines. To make an in game adjustment once.
Congratulations he was left an NFL offense and an NFL safety by Chryst. He didn’t adapt to his talent or he could’ve won 9 or 10 one of those years and actually earned his salary.
Citing the coastal title where he lost the last 3 games and went 6-7 against FBS competition is laughable.
I’m critical of both. Seems Capel has found his niche in recruiting possibly and knows he needs to adapt. Unfortunately gym teacher will never.
you guys realize the ACC isn’t good in football and the coastal sucks right?
I have season's tickets in both football and basketball, so this is a good question. Nevertheless, it's like picking between the 2 ugliest girls at the prom. That being said.....the ugliest girl to me is Capel. Narduzzi isn't far behind, but at least he seems to be recruiting and may even luck into a better than 6 or 7 win season sometime. Capel has no chance of getting to 20 wins. At least not in the next 5 years.
Not really sure this is fair. Narduzzi seems to have the best staff Pitt football has had in a LONG time, has a ton of talent/depth on the roster with a 5th year QB, and recruiting, even if not spectacular in terms of rankings, has been consistently impressive for the last few years…
Now if he doesn’t win at least 8 regular season games (prefer 9+), then this is all moot and he’s just never going to get over the hump.
But it really seems he’s getting comfortable here and we’re getting to the point where we can be what MSU was at its peak (well maybe not the CFP appearance).
Basketball on the other hand still has a long, long way back to respectability…
I don’t think Narduzzi understand modern college football or has the ability to adjust to it. He’s stuck in 2010 like no one has figured out the quarters defense. Part of being a great coach, especially in football, is adjusting to how the game is constantly evolving. All of what you are saying is PROBABLY true, but I have zero faith that they will win even 8 games in the shitty coastal with a 5th year starter at QB.
I’m critical of both coaches, @pittjas, while these two are critical of only one. They use no context for the programs which they were left. They use no context to the competition difference in the ACC in football and basketball and cherry pick stats to make their points. I don’t think JC has done good enough yet and he may not. But through 6 years, what in the world makes anyone think Narduzzi will ever understand modern football and have the balls to adjust accordingly. Not even in the 1920’s do you kick a FG from the 1 down 7 with 4:51 left. He makes huge in game mistakes multiple years into being a head coach. If he doesn’t have a huge year this year his seat should be very hot.
I’ll give Duzz credit where it’s due. For the most part, he’s built good staffs, created a good team culture, players have stayed out of trouble and he wins most of the games he should. I don’t think it’s too much to ask to have one season every once in a while where we overachieve. If that can’t happen under him all of that other stuff is useless imo
This is comical. Sorry if his Twitter account and his sideline look doesn't meet your expectations. Your in game adjustment comment is hyperbole.
What would have happened if Pitt had won 9 or 10 games in one of those years as opposed to 8? Would we have made the playoffs? Did we miss out on something big?
Basketball & Football comparisons are apples and oranges. You can build a roster & win pretty big in hoops without crossing horns with the blue bloods for recruits. You can't do that in football in a P5 conference. Unless a coach is at a school where he can recruit Top 15 type classes consistently, the ceiling is 7 to 9 wins for a school like Pitt. maybe an occasional year that's better & an occasional year that is worse.
You're probably the type of fan that would shit on a coach like Matt Campbell because he's only 35-28, never had a 10 win season, and his teams compete in the shitty Big 12. You could drive that point home by pointing out that ISU would have won 10 last year had they not been blown out at home by a Sun Belt team. ...Either that or claim Narduzzi sucks compared to Campbell despite similar P5 resumes.
Do you like Jeff Hafley? I think he's a terrific young coach. He's still never going to win more than 8 or 9 games at BC, he's never going to win the ACC, and never accomplish anything special there. Hell, he probably has no plans of sticking around Chestnut Hill very long.
You can be hyper critical about adjustments, game/clock management etc. but you're missing the big picture. Pitt isn't going to hire a coach that will perform significantly better than Narduzzi. In today's college football landscape, there are only 15 to 18 schools that can recruit well enough to ever have a chance at accomplishing something special, and Pitt isn't one of them. That's reality. That isn't necessarily the case with basketball. Due to the nature of the sport, and the constant roster turnover, you don't have to consistently recruit against the blue bloods to perform better.
Glad to see you do actually have a grasp of the big picture. I totally disagree about the "useless" comment though. It's this type of mentality that might conclude that Jamie Dixon's tenure was a failure because he never overachieved in the NCAA tourney.
The last Pitt football coach that won 10 games at Pitt got booted the next year after he won 8. Just saying.
Lots of things can be true at the same time in this thread. In particular, @BballinsiderfromPitt has unrealistic expectations for the football team. Duzz is this program’s peak. Pitt will never be a consistent top 25 team. Never.
At the same time, @TD_6082 makes a ton of excuses for football that he isn’t willing to make for hoops.
At the same time, @TD_6082 makes a ton of excuses for football that he isn’t willing to make for hoops.
Why is it unrealistic to be the class of the Coastal division? It sucks. Mack Brown took it over in 2 years. They won 2 games and 2 years later Brown had them finish in the top 25. Why does Pitt have a lower ceiling than the roof?
While there are some indefensible decisions such as TOs, kicking at PSU, etc., I think generally he’s much less stubborn than people generally say on here. He’s hired basically every type of OC you can have in his time here and given them full autonomy. We went from running in our 2 min drill w Watson to Whipple throwing 50 times a game. To me, that’s not stubborn. The defense has also changed a lot from when he first got here and especially since Bates came.
Like I said, this is the year. If he doesn’t win 8 games (and really should be 9 or 10), he never will. I’ll be on your side. But looking at a macro view, I like where things are. He’s a little rough on the edges but fits Pittsburgh well, seems to really like it here, has a great culture, has some really good coaches (Marion, Partridge, Sanders, so on), who have recruited well.
The optimistic side of me says we win at least 9 games this year and then moving forward win 8 pretty consistently. I just like where we are there with it being understood that we can consistently be like a Top 20 program ala Iowa but never a Top 10 program. I think Duzz could make us be Iowa or Mich St.
Like I said though, at the end of the day none of that stuff matters if you go 6-6 or 7-5 this year. And there are certainly plenty of data points that may suggest that happens. I don’t think it will and certainly hope not because I think we’re in a pretty nice spot right now and it will take a while to get back there if we have to reset..
With Capel, I have no idea what will happen. Staff still stinks. A hard job because nothing really stands out about Pitt basketball. Decent facilities and good support when good but everybody in the ACC has that. At least in football we have some local legit talent plus the Steelers connection which at least gets the attention of FL/TX/GA recruits. In basketball we’re just another program which is tough when in our conference we’re competing with UNC/Duke/Louisville/UVA, and so on…
I thought Capel’s name and reputation alone would be able to get us say NC State talent… which even if we weren’t a consistent Top 15 program, would get us in the tourney most years and allow us to make runs there every so often. That didn’t happen so far which is somewhat concerning because it should be much easier to recruit on that initial period when you can blame all the bad stuff on the old coach. And he did somewhat recruit some talent then but we saw he wasn’t able to manage it. At least now he seems to have recalibrated his approach I just hope it’s not too late. I have some hope and really genuinely like him as a person so I hope he can get it figured out. But it’s a much steeper hill than football has. I also know that we likely won’t be able to get someone with as much of a “name brand” as Capel so.. if this doesn’t work out we’ll either have to go the alum route or a Mark Scmmidt or Rutgers coach type.
And yes, Wanny shouldn’t have been fired and if Duzz wins 10 games this year I’ll admit I’m 100 percent wrong about him. His past performance does not give me a positive outlook that this will happen though.
It's not , the dude is VERY AVG, he is the definition in Websters
We do have the easiest schedule since I been alive going for us this year , thats a plus
ACC COASTEL and 3 shit balls should AT LEAST GET 8
Narduzzi is a terrible game day coach. I’ve seen him call a timeout on a 4th and 24 punting situation after a commercial break.
This conversation is just idiotic . Of course Pitt could win more in both bb and Fb with great head coaches and staff . They’d also need an active booster group with deep pockets . Plus you’d need an administration that gives those coaches the go ahead to do whatever it takes to get the student ATHLETES needed to win more . Plus you also need a far larger group of big donors to pay for these coaches and the other incidentals needed to get the job done . Guess what , Pitt has none of these nor are they interested in changing their culture to become a university that emphasizes athletic achievements over academics .
Maybe most of us aren’t satisfied with Pitts HC , but Pitt is . PN is on firmer footings with zero worries , JC has a few more seasons to improve the bb program before any action would even be considered.
mediocrity is what you should expect if your a Pitt bb or Fb fan with an occasional team that can overachieve . It doesn’t mean you can’t root for them or be disappointed in their performance , but expecting consistent excellence is just going to leave you disappointed.
ps ..I like to be an optimist, but this is the current reality of Pitt bb and Fb .
Maybe most of us aren’t satisfied with Pitts HC , but Pitt is . PN is on firmer footings with zero worries , JC has a few more seasons to improve the bb program before any action would even be considered.
mediocrity is what you should expect if your a Pitt bb or Fb fan with an occasional team that can overachieve . It doesn’t mean you can’t root for them or be disappointed in their performance , but expecting consistent excellence is just going to leave you disappointed.
ps ..I like to be an optimist, but this is the current reality of Pitt bb and Fb .
There is a big difference in the quality of play between the football program and basketball program.
I went back and read the tweet again. Did he delete it? It sounds absurd, like a junior high kid who wanted to rewrite his own history.....like "Yeah, I didn't make the team, I dogged the try-outs because I wanted to play ball down at the YMCA on Tuesday and Thursday and work on my skills, not enough skill building during the season, need skills to become NBA caliber."
You should expect questions about the fairness and independence of your hire when you and your boss share the same agent. That's a clear conflict of interest. You have to really lack self-confidence if those type of questions from the media bother you.
Stallings was a turd. He knew it, and that's why he was mad.
You should stick to BB. Chryst left him an NFL offense is laughable seeing that Chryst didn't leave a single QB. He also left him an FCS front 7 on D that was 3 deep in FCS talent.
Kevin Stallings was such a good head coach that he hasn't had a job in 3 years despite being under 60. Gee, how could Pitt fire someone with so much talent?
Because Barnes and Stallings shared the same agent and Barnes didn't care anyway since he was intending to leave.
He was hooking up a buddy.
Narduzzi has only been sub-.500 in conference one time.
He's not great, but part of the dislike against him is overblown IMO. Replace a few of those UCF and Oklahoma State games with Buffalo or Villanova and they'd have 10 wins. They still wouldn't have had a magical season because 10 wins is an arbitrary and meaningless barometer in college football, but they'd have 10 wins.
Pitt's football schedule sucks. They've had one of the hardest schedules in college football in several seasons under Narduzzi. Not making excuses for him, he could have beaten UNC or Northwestern and it wouldn't have mattered but Pitt's schedule has given him ZERO wiggle room. He's fine. We're competitive in basically every game and are never terrible. For the state of college football in 2021, that's aspirational.
do you live in a world where every hire is an outside hire with zero connections to anyone? I'm young, and every hire I've seen/made has come with some sort of connection to someone already in the business. That's the entire idea of networking.
there's a difference between asking about the connection and totally jumping someone with assumptions and anger. Don't rewrite what happened - the turds in the media brought the guns.
he made enough money to not have to work till he's 60.. you seem salty about that
I'm in my mid-30s and I'm a millionaire....with a job (unlike Stallings). I DGAF about Kevin Stallings or his career, but if he was some basketball messiah or even above-average as you're claiming, he'd probably still be working right now.
There's a huge and obvious difference between networking and having the same guy who represents you and your boss get a check when your boss gives you a job.
Nobody cares about nepotism at a family car dealership. If you want to run your business by hiring your niece's husband, go for it. The press had every right to ask about Barnes and Stallings sharing an agent at a public university that was paying both men millions of dollars per year.
Wanny shouldn't have been fired. And Narduzzi's ACC winning % is better than Wanny's was in the Big East. I'm a Wanny sheep, but Narduzzi is a better coach. He's a better game day coach and his team's generally leave it all out on the field.
Don't you get that is the whole problem? He hired a guy who shared a connection and was otherwise not an attractive candidate.
Maybe Barnes sincerely thought he could land Sean Miller or Andy Enfield or a number of other guys and failed. That doesn't excuse hiring Stallings. I think the problem was that he had already publicly announced he was targeting a sitting P5 coach and couldn't backtrack without looking like a loser.
That's fairly common in college athletics. 10 or 11 SEC football coaches are represented by the same guy. Often he's negotiating a buyout for one coach, while placing another coach, sometimes with an AD he also represents. That's kinda the way it works.
Attractive candidates aren't easy to come by.
I never commented on how good of a coach he was.
I specifically said over and over I wasn't defending him, but of course, that's what it's being twisted into.
My initial point was that he didn't get a fair shake. That's all.
the problem wasn't hiring Stallings. The 2 guys you name would've been the ONLY 2 that Pitt fans would've accepted at the time. How could we go from Jamie Dixon to... Kevin Stallings? The same thing would've been said about Brandin Knight.
Is Kevin Stallings a good basketball coach? I don't think that's a debate. Say what you want about the guy, but he's a proven coach at the P5 level. He has almost 500 wins as a coach, and wins 60% of his games. The issue was that he wasn't Jamie Dixon, or even close to Jamie Dixon.
I said this earlier - this wasn't a Stallings issue when he got hired. It was Pitt issue thinking we could replace Jamie with someone comparable. Unrealistic expectations. When you hear about the facilities and how outdated everything was, we probably outdid ourselves hiring Stallings.
I don't want to continue down this rabbit hole, but you're basing your argument off of theories. What Barnes was thinking. Publicly announcing a sitting P5 coach and then couldn't back track. Barnes hired his buddy. They have the same agent.
At the end of the day, Kevin Stallings just came off of a tournament appearance at Vandy. He had a solid 5 year stretch of being a staple in the top 20 at Vandy. He went to the tourney 8 times at Vandy - way more than any coach in school history. Is easily the best coach they've ever had. Before that, he took Illinois State to the tournament twice as well as the NIT twice in 6 years. Illinois State! and it was his first coaching stop.
He was Roy Williams right hand man for 6 years at Kansas. Before that, he was an assistant under Keady at Purdue for 7 seasons - their all time winningest coach.
He wasn't a bad hire - you can point out any theory you want, but his resume at the time was better than every Pitt coach in our school history besides Jamie. You understand that, right? We can point to any theory you want, but his resume absolutely checks out and was more than fitting for the position he got hired for.
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