OT: Before MLB Pitch Counts Became The Rage...
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Where are the Saber Geniuses????
Pitchers arms seem to be routinely falling off now...it’s like pitch a few yrs in the Minors, lets get the TJ surgery out of the way and get ready for 2 yrs from now.
Pitchers arms seem to be routinely falling off now...it’s like pitch a few yrs in the Minors, lets get the TJ surgery out of the way and get ready for 2 yrs from now.
They are in the front office of literally every major league organization and in many cases are the ones running the show.
You're like one of those Japanese soldiers they found on some remote Pacific island in the 50s who didn't know that the war had been over for years and their side lost.
pittdan77
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The way the ball jumps now, I don't know that you could just rock back and throw hard like that.
13 walks and 19 K's. That's fantastic. 13 walks--NEW LEAGUE RECORD. 19 K's --ALSO, NEW LEAGUE RECORD. The original Nuke Lalousch. Crash: "next pitch hit the mascot". Nuke: "What? why, I'm finally throwing it where I want to." Crash: "Don't think! It can only hurt the team." Oh yea, Ryan also beat the crap out of Robbie Ventura after drilling him in the ribs with a 96 MPH fastball at age 45 and Robbie was like 25.
Above post a classic case of bloviation...I understand Neal Huntington's number crunchers have opined that you can win a game without scoring a run....all that counts is that you win all the key saber metrics stats in a game. They told Neal the Pirates are really in first place.
You’re soooooo funny
Another know it all You are
No I’m talking about the clowns here with their blabber and braggadocio bullshit talking smack to anybody questioning their genius.... looks like they didn’t know their arse from third base...
If any of those clowns are in MLB, it must be with Nutting killing the Pirates
Lmao
In 1955, the Pirates played a 19 inning game with the Milwaukee Braves ...... Vernon Law pitched the first 18 innings for the Bucs ..... Bob Friend pitched the top of the 19th and gave up a run, but the Pirates scored two in the bottom of the 19th to win 4-3. Law pitched a 10 inning game four days later.
They didn't count pitches in those days, but it was estimated that Law may have thrown close to 250 pitches that night.
And yours is another in the long line of posts that are why people laugh at you, not with you.
I mean you seriously aren't dumb enough to not know that literally every team in major league baseball has an analytics department, are you? And you seriously aren't dumb enough to not recognize that several MLB teams are run by people who have a background in analytics as opposed to an on the field background, are you?
only person being laughed at is: the bloviator! More bloviation.....you mean they use analytics in BB in the 21st century? Do, pray, tell, bloviator. Any tool in the hands of a moron is subject to misuse...I introduce you to Messr. Nutting an Huntington.....idolized by the bloviator.
How bout the time a young Juan Marichal was dueling an old Warren Spahn thru 16 innings. When the Giant manager suggested pulling Marichal the future HOFer told him no way, as long as that old man stays in, I stay in. Bet those two pitch counts were sky high. I am convinced young pitchers at the lower levels throw too few pitches, not too many. Their arms are babied and don’t build the stamina needed to throw more pitches. JMO
Yes, but the analytics crowd wants to put a value and metric on everything. They have created a nice niche to them. Meanwhile at the same time, fundamentals in most sports but especially baseball are at an all time low, pitchers blow out their arms despite pitching no more than 6 innings a game, etc...
I am not saying analytics are the reason, but instead of looking at a ground ball chart finding out where guys hit the ball, maybe teaching them actually how to field the ground ball and which base to throw to dependent on the situation. Maybe our geeky math majors who never played a sport can do that?
Agree
but the issue for me was the Saber Geniuses posting here like a bunch of Nazis just a short time ago....
Nobody could have an opinion with those guys.
Everybody was totally dumb who questioned Nutting ripping apart the 98 win team ......
I watch MLB shows with Metric guys a couple times a week...and it’s very interesting when not delivered by a bunch pompous asses like were on this board constantly .....
Is the metrics making it a better game....I mean putting a ball in play is disappearing with Walks, K, and HRs....
All the shifting etc....
But the Saber guys pose good reasons for it, at least a lucid explanation is given.
So it’s not the numbers it’s those idiots who no longer come around whos being called out....
And btw Nutting IS A BUM.
Nothing scientific, but the athletes who play baseball have changed dramatically since the days of Vern Law and Bob Friend.
Back then, you didn't regularly, if ever, see the 100 mph fastballs. Every team at every level didn't have a radar gun. Guys didn't work out regularly in the off season. Now to get noticed, you have to have a power arm in HS. Kids snapping off curve balls before their arms are fully developed. I remember when I was a kid, the common rule was no kid should ever throw a curveball, now we see it routinely in LL.
All those workouts reduce flexibility, and challenging the radar gun on every pitch puts a great deal of strain on the arm and joints.
Back in the "golden era" of baseball, pitchers got by with guille and location of pitches, or gimmicks. Hiding the ball, leg kick, spit balls, the advent of the slider were all used to various degrees to fool the batter.
Also, you didn't see all this bullpen management with specialty pitchers to get out particular batters. There were relief pitchers, sure, but the whole "closer", 7,8,9 inning guy wasn't in existence.
And of course some of these guys were just freaks. Genetics gave them a gift and that made them special. Seems like now, players try to defy genetics and build themselves into something they weren't intended to be.
Again nothing scientific, just an observation/opinion.
Back then, you didn't regularly, if ever, see the 100 mph fastballs. Every team at every level didn't have a radar gun. Guys didn't work out regularly in the off season. Now to get noticed, you have to have a power arm in HS. Kids snapping off curve balls before their arms are fully developed. I remember when I was a kid, the common rule was no kid should ever throw a curveball, now we see it routinely in LL.
All those workouts reduce flexibility, and challenging the radar gun on every pitch puts a great deal of strain on the arm and joints.
Back in the "golden era" of baseball, pitchers got by with guille and location of pitches, or gimmicks. Hiding the ball, leg kick, spit balls, the advent of the slider were all used to various degrees to fool the batter.
Also, you didn't see all this bullpen management with specialty pitchers to get out particular batters. There were relief pitchers, sure, but the whole "closer", 7,8,9 inning guy wasn't in existence.
And of course some of these guys were just freaks. Genetics gave them a gift and that made them special. Seems like now, players try to defy genetics and build themselves into something they weren't intended to be.
Again nothing scientific, just an observation/opinion.
pittdan77
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Pitchers also weren't afraid to let a ball be put in play. Now a pitcher can saw a guy off and it could still end up over the fence.
You don't even have to go back that far. David Wells. Rick Reuschel. Hell even Greg Maddox wasn't a specimen. I do think you are onto something, and we see this in golf too, guys get so big and strong and almost get enamored with looking great at the beach and they lose some flexibility or there is such torque on their tendons and joints.
And you are right, curve balls were a no go in Little League back then, at least until you get above 13 years old.
And of course, the endless procession of single inning specialists all throwing 98mph gas.
Right and relievers came in and pitched more than one inning. Elroy Face used to come in in the 7th and pitch out the game if he was doing well. You'd base taking a pitcher out on Coach: "How you feelin"? Bob Gibson: "Get the F off my mound."
That's a good point. If you bring the big heat you still better have some movement on it or it;s gonna leave the yard eventually. I think that's Taillion's issue now. He throws mid to upper 90's, nice curve and now has a pretty good cutter, but man his fast ball appears so straight to me. Same with Cole last couple years. maybe the stros got some movement on his heater.
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