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Given trial date more than 370 days from now. What is the typical time someone must sit in jail without a trial?

Seems like “justice delayed is justice denied” is common in America. More than one year in jail for anyone without being found guilty is insane.

Maybe this is where the protest should be.
 
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pittiswhereiamfrom2 said:
Given trial date more than 370 days from now. What is the typical time someone must sit in jail without a trial?

Seems like “justice delayed is justice denied” is common in America. More than one year in jail for anyone without being found guilty is insane.

Maybe this is where the protest should be.
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Is this the first time you realized jail is different than prison ?
 
She is going to sit in that rat hole prison for a year before trial starts? My guess is they work a deal for her guilty plea on some things in exchange for names. I can’t see this high society woman hacking it in prison
 
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Being in jail could be saving her life, I'm sure there are some people out there that would like to see her dead before she names names, they say she has access to film, voice tapes and other documentation of who all were involved.
 
pittiswhereiamfrom2 said:
Given trial date more than 370 days from now. What is the typical time someone must sit in jail without a trial?

Seems like “justice delayed is justice denied” is common in America. More than one year in jail for anyone without being found guilty is insane.

Maybe this is where the protest should be.
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you seem to be very, very new to the criminal justice reform movement. dig in a little more - you're mind is going to be blown.
 
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Given her money, and more importantly her connections, she has to be a flight risk. As others have said I’m sure a lot of people wouldn’t mind if she decided to hang herself. But the better option would be helping her escape somewhere.
 
The fact that she is a French citizen, and the French don't extradite their citizens is most likely the number one reason she's stuck in jail until trial.

If she were released she'd be able to buy her way to France in no time.
 
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Being in jail could be saving her life, I'm sure there are some people out there that would like to see her dead before she names names, they say she has access to film, voice tapes and other documentation of who all were involved.
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That didn't work for her buddy Epstein.
 
pittiswhereiamfrom2 said:
Given trial date more than 370 days from now. What is the typical time someone must sit in jail without a trial?

Seems like “justice delayed is justice denied” is common in America. More than one year in jail for anyone without being found guilty is insane.

Maybe this is where the protest should be.
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Maybe you should check out what happens in places like Ryker's Island in New York. People who are waiting for trial but can't pay bail sometimes sit in Rykers for years and nothing is done about it. There are huge injustices inherent in the system every day in this country and around the world. And you are getting insulted by what's happening to this woman. Maybe this is an injustice but there are far worse.

And besides, the longer the wait the better chance she may commit "suicide", poke poke nudge nudge.
 
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The ABC News Epstein podcasts are worth a listen. I'm about halfway through them, it's depraved stuff but very interesting how (1) he became a billionaire (spoiler-not by his own merit or hard work) and (2) how he was able to stay out of prison and continue to prey on young girls for so long. You could sum it up this way: Money talks.
 
pittiswhereiamfrom2 said:
I do my best to avoid it. ;)

But I guess when lawyers make the laws the laws favor the lawyers.
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yes, it's not been in the news or anything in the last few months.

wbrpanther said:
Maybe you should check out what happens in places like Ryker's Island in New York. People who are waiting for trial but can't pay bail sometimes sit in Rykers for years and nothing is done about it. There are huge injustices inherent in the system every day in this country and around the world. And you are getting insulted by what's happening to this woman. Maybe this is an injustice but there are far worse.

And besides, the longer the wait the better chance she may commit "suicide", poke poke nudge nudge.
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nevermind that those people in jail are given BS changes b/c the police have a quota system. then they have to take time off work (which they can't afford) to go to court. now they're in trouble with their boss b/c they have criminal charges and miss work. so get fired.

it's so f'ed up.
 
wbrpanther said:
Maybe you should check out what happens in places like Ryker's Island in New York. People who are waiting for trial but can't pay bail sometimes sit in Rykers for years and nothing is done about it. There are huge injustices inherent in the system every day in this country and around the world. And you are getting insulted by what's happening to this woman. Maybe this is an injustice but there are far worse.

And besides, the longer the wait the better chance she may commit "suicide", poke poke nudge nudge.
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How did you get that I was defending her? But still, no matter how bad the crime; trial and punishment should not have to wait a year.

Having to wait so long for a trial is criminal and certainly has to be unconstitutional. Gives the law way too much unjust power over those under the law.

I think the protests should focus on this rather than trying to hammer all policeman for a few bad acts. One thing is for sure is that the legal system itself is way too convoluted and completely unfair. Not to mention, those who can press charges have a lot of latitude to charge as they see fit and over charge to force people into unfair plea deals.
 
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pitt90seven said:
yes, it's not been in the news or anything in the last few months.



nevermind that those people in jail are given BS changes b/c the police have a quota system. then they have to take time off work (which they can't afford) to go to court. now they're in trouble with their boss b/c they have criminal charges and miss work. so get fired.

it's so f'ed up.
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Don't see much protesting of the legal system. Seems more protesting the police. What you do see is those who administer charges simply dismissing the charges of rioters while filing charges against those who defend themselves.

Write me your condescending comments went you see "Defund the DA's Office" as front page news.
 
pittiswhereiamfrom2 said:
How did you get that I was defending her? But still, no matter how bad the crime; trial and punishment should not have to wait a year.

Having to wait so long for a trial is criminal and certainly has to be unconstitutional. Gives the law way too much unjust power over those under the law.

I think the protests should focus on this rather than trying to hammer all policeman for a few bad acts. One thing is for sure is that the legal system itself is way to convoluted and completely unfair. Not to mention, those who can press charges have a lot of latitude to charge as they see fit and over charge to force people into unfair plea deals.
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If you believe the protests hammer ALL police you are not getting it. But sad to say it isn't just A FEW bad cats. The vast majority of police are good, hard working fair people. The problem has gotten so bad because these good police haven't historically come out and denounced a fellow cop who shoots a man in the back or callously kneels on a dudes neck or chokes a guy out till he dies. That is what has given police a bad name in a lot of circles. And this stuff has been happening for years and years. It's just been since the Rodney King tape that we are seeing it. The fact that this Chauvin dude could kneel on George Floyd's neck for almost 9 minutes wile knowing he was being taped tells me that these bad cops have known there would no be repercussions so they blatantly keep doing it. That has to change. But without keeping it in the public eye it won't.
 
wbrpanther said:
If you believe the protests hammer ALL police you are not getting it. But sad to say it isn't just A FEW bad cats. The vast majority of police are good, hard working fair people. The problem has gotten so bad because these good police haven't historically come out and denounced a fellow cop who shoots a man in the back or callously kneels on a dudes neck or chokes a guy out till he dies. That is what has given police a bad name in a lot of circles. And this stuff has been happening for years and years. It's just been since the Rodney King tape that we are seeing it. The fact that this Chauvin dude could kneel on George Floyd's neck for almost 9 minutes wile knowing he was being taped tells me that these bad cops have known there would no be repercussions so they blatantly keep doing it. That has to change. But without keeping it in the public eye it won't.
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It was the DA in Minneapolis who let him off, I believe it was, 9 times.

And the main theme of the protests was it was about all cops. Not just a few bad ones. Defunding the police isn't about making sure we protect the majority who are great cops. Also, they use the word systemic, which says the whole system of cops is bad.



Seems the leader of BLM in that video would respond to your comments to me like she responded to the mayor of Minneapolis.
 
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wbrpanther said:
If you believe the protests hammer ALL police you are not getting it. But sad to say it isn't just A FEW bad cats. The vast majority of police are good, hard working fair people. The problem has gotten so bad because these good police haven't historically come out and denounced a fellow cop who shoots a man in the back or callously kneels on a dudes neck or chokes a guy out till he dies. That is what has given police a bad name in a lot of circles. And this stuff has been happening for years and years. It's just been since the Rodney King tape that we are seeing it. The fact that this Chauvin dude could kneel on George Floyd's neck for almost 9 minutes wile knowing he was being taped tells me that these bad cops have known there would no be repercussions so they blatantly keep doing it. That has to change. But without keeping it in the public eye it won't.
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De-funding the police means taking funds away from only the bad police officers?
 
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pittiswhereiamfrom2 said:
Don't see much protesting of the legal system. Seems more protesting the police. What you do see is those who administer charges simply dismissing the charges of rioters while filing charges against those who defend themselves.

Write me your condescending comments went you see "Defund the DA's Office" as front page news.
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you haven't read anything about qualified immunity? changing laws around policing? i would agree that the thrust is against the police but there's a lot more going on there. and of course, i'd argue the police are part of the legal system. i'd say most people protesting see the police and the broader legal system as one in the same. i've seen plenty around stop and frisk laws, stand your ground, and others.
 
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you haven't read anything about qualified immunity? changing laws around policing? i would agree that the thrust is against the police but there's a lot more going on there. and of course, i'd argue the police are part of the legal system. i'd say most people protesting see the police and the broader legal system as one in the same. i've seen plenty around stop and frisk laws, stand your ground, and others.
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Isn't it more about those who police the police. The people in local government?

Again, I refer you to the woman in the above video. She is one of the main leaders in this. She is telling you what they want. Is way better than asking me to explain what BLM wants.

But from my perspective, the legal system is huge, convoluted and has way too much power. I vote that my government does not have so much power. Other people like to vote more power to the government. Seems there are lots of racists in these big city governments.
 
pittiswhereiamfrom2 said:
Isn't it more about those who police the police. The people in local government?

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athenians contemplated this long ago and couldn't figure out the answer. i think the BLM movement would say we haven't either. and more specifically, haven't cared to.
 
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athenians completed this long ago and couldn't figure out the answer. i think the BLM movement would say we haven't either. and more specifically, haven't cared to.
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Don't speak in code. Speak directly.

You don't get smart points for trying so hard to speak in riddles rather than just explain your thoughts in plain English.
 
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Explain.
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Jail hold those awaiting trial -
Which is predominantly those who don’t have the financial means for bail or an attorney on retainer to have them released pending trial.

she’s there because she’s a flight risk

the lawyers aren’t benefiting by jails
Prisons are for those convicted after trial

the only lawyers benefiting are those servicing the folks with means to hire them .
You think a public defender is benefiting ?
 
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I'm sure you bothered to read, so this criticism is very much well informed. Thanks!
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Don't send an article and ask me to read when you have done nothing to explain your point.

Now if you explained your point and used the article as reference, then it is smart. But that is just lazy.

Don't speak to me as if I am the lazy one.
 
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Jail hold those awaiting trial -
Which is predominantly those who don’t have the financial means for bail or an attorney on retainer to have them released pending trial.

she’s there because she’s a flight risk

the lawyers aren’t benefiting by jails
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Going to jail doesn't require a lawyer?

More people in jail doesn't required more lawyering?

Longer time in jail doesn't require needing a lawyer longer?

More laws to prosecute more people don't require more lawyers?

More law, more lawyers.
 
pittiswhereiamfrom2 said:
Don't speak in code. Speak directly.

You don't get smart points for trying so hard to speak in riddles rather than just explain your thoughts in plain English.
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you seem intent to argue with me and i have no idea why. what exact question am i supposed to answer?
 
pittiswhereiamfrom2 said:
Don't send an article and ask me to read when you have done nothing to explain your point.

Now if you explained your point and used the article as reference, then it is smart. But that is just lazy.

Don't speak to me as if I am the lazy one.
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You are whining that BLM is focused only on defunding the police and not the larger criminal justice system. Two seconds of research would indicate that you are incorrect in your assumption.
 
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Ski11585 said:
You are whining that BLM is focused only on defunding the police and not the larger criminal justice system. Two seconds of research would indicate that you are incorrect in your assumption.
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Whining? Is that your way to discredit my right to an opinion?

I didn’t use this tone to you.

Isn’t it your responsibility to do two seconds of research to support your response to me.

A response of telling someone to go read is not the mark of intelligence.

But when BLM has a central argument of defund the police, this is not a legitimate basis for how to solve anything. No matter the further arguments.
 
wbrpanther said:
If you believe the protests hammer ALL police you are not getting it. But sad to say it isn't just A FEW bad cats. The vast majority of police are good, hard working fair people. The problem has gotten so bad because these good police haven't historically come out and denounced a fellow cop who shoots a man in the back or callously kneels on a dudes neck or chokes a guy out till he dies. That is what has given police a bad name in a lot of circles. And this stuff has been happening for years and years. It's just been since the Rodney King tape that we are seeing it. The fact that this Chauvin dude could kneel on George Floyd's neck for almost 9 minutes wile knowing he was being taped tells me that these bad cops have known there would no be repercussions so they blatantly keep doing it. That has to change. But without keeping it in the public eye it won't.
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Rioting, looting and anarchy are not a cure. Then again, most of that stuff isn't due to the actions of a few rogue cops, but the actions of some socialist radicals. There is absolutely no legitimate justification for this lawlessness, none! :mad:
 
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