You want to really get disgusted? Read the article in the Trib and catch what the two lackies, Huntington and Fathead Clint, have to say about Nutsack's strategy...what a couple of sycophantic morons. They're quite happy to defend the status quo.
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I just read Josh Yohe's column on Huntingdon on DK on Sports and it was equally as sickening.
No, I do understand, all I'm talking about is someone RICH ENOUGH and EGOTISTICAL enough to want to pour his own money from other businesses into the team and not be concerned that the team is a huge money making entity. Chelsea in the Premier league sucked for 100 years until some oil billionaire Arab bought it and poured money into it.
'69-'79? That was between age 10-20 for me, coupled with the Steelers Dynasty and Pitt is IT and that was a hell of a time for a teenage sports fan.
Ten "good" years? They won their division 6 times, and won 2 World Championships. That was a great decade. Fans who think they are owed more success than that are fools. Of course, the Steelers have had similar success the last dozen years, and people want to run off the coach and GM. It's why it's hard sometimes to participate on the various message boards.
Please find me one owner in the big 4 US sports that is spending down his fortune to win games?
There's a huge difference between an owner spending down his fortune to win(a dumb statement on your part) and an owner counting every penny and expecting to net less than a certain amount of earnings every year. These owners make a killing when they sell their teams which is an asset which appreciates considerably over time. Good owners, owners with a competitive spirti(anti-Nutsack types) place winning above counting pennies. Nutsack is a bum, worst owner in all of pro sports!
I grew up in Pittsburgh in the '60s and '70s, and I actually feel, after 6 Super Bowls, 5 Stanley Cups, 3 World Series titles, Pitt's 1976 National Championships and even various Pitt Big East basketball titles, that I've been blessed as a fan purely by the dumb luck of being born in Western PA, If none of my teams ever win again, I am satisfied. Sure I want to win, but when the Steelers lose a playoff game, I'm not over the top upset. I can't imagine being my age and having rooted for Cleveland or Philly teams since the '60s. Do I want to see more success, of course, but having all that in my pocket helps during the bad seasons.
This is why Cuban has no interest in buying the Bucs. In baseball, small market teams serve as opponents for the big money clubs. Occasionally, a small market team will push the right buttons, and get lucky and hit the jackpot, but they can't maintain it. The Royals will soon be back in the toilet. Does anyone think that if the Bucs had won 2 years ago, that folks would be filling PNC Park this year? Of course not. They'd be bitching and complaining about how quickly the team fell apart, and threatening to boycott the team, just the way they're doing with Pitt hoops.
I don't mean spending down his fortune, someone like Paul Allen with the Seahaks and Cuban, guys worth $3-4 billion do spend on things more than lesser owners, they can spend $100 million and it's no threat to their fortune, so go get their financial reports and prove absolutely that they put none of their own money into their teams.
Always w the Yankees & Dodger etc comparisons or other such nonsense about Nutting spending down his fortune.
Horse hockey.
We get it he's not in a mega market no sh!t we get it.
But he threw in the towel for the 2nd best reliever and refused to get even one young player back because he was saving 600k, and wasn't paying a DIMEon the rebound.
600k can you believe.
Then they trot out NH to talk about future flexibility for asset acquisition.
!!! Lmao
Translation :
I didn't hit my number , I'm getting a little back and next year Neal will find a Tomato Can whose arm hasn't fallen off yet.
If you think that Jones, Steinbrenner and Cuban are/were pouring their own money from their other businesses into the team and are not concerned about making money then you absolutely do NOT understand what you are talking about. Jerry Jones makes so much more money off of the Cowboys than Nutting makes off the Pirates that there isn't even a comparison there. The fact that you think that Jones puts his own money into the Cowboys rather than that he is making money hand over fist off of the Cowboys shows how much you know. For most of Steinbrenner's tenure as owner of the Yankees the Yankees were the most profitable sports franchise in the whole world. Not just the US, the whole world. The notion that he was pouring his own money into the team is laughable. And Mark Cuban owns an NBA team. The Rockets didn't just sell for $2.2 billion because they are losing money. Steve Balmer didn't pay $2 billion for the Clippers a couple years ago because they were losing money, and they were the worst run and one of the (if not THE) least profitable teams in the league. In a rare moment of candor from a sports team owner even he admits that after spending that $2 billion he's still making money on the team.
Big time world soccer is the one place where team owners have, in some instances, consistently spent more money than they bring in. But only in very few instances. For instance Man U makes money hand over fist. Barca, the same. Real, the same. And the one thing that you will notice that the owners that do that have in common is that they don't own US sports teams, and since I specifically said "big market teams in US sports today" that kind of makes Chelsea and Abramovich irrelevant to the discussion.
But 2 things;
1) It is obvious the small market owners are fine for this because they keep on ratifying agreements without challenge. So obviously they are making money in the current set up, alot of money.
2) MLB needs an owner like Mark Cuban to challenge the status quo of the current system.
And finally....there exists "welfare" in baseball. You spend alot, you have to give "tax" to those who spend the least amount. So you create a sort of welfare system that decentifies teams from pushing payroll to try and win. They buy teams to stay low. Think about this system, some rich guy like Nutting can expenses low, and then get tax money from the Dodgers Yankees and Cubs on top of it. Win/Win for the P&L statement.
It's amazing how so many Pirates fans still buy into the BS NUtting and company feed them. A few years ago the sales pitch was they would spend more once the team was in position to win. NEVER Happend. The. It was the Bridge year last year. Didn't make sense to increase payroll while they were waiting on younger players to develop and reach the majors. What was this year? Lol
Now it's buying flexibility to spend on the future
Same basic sales pitch that Pirate fans blindly accept. "TRUst us we will spend on winning when the time is right"
As long as pirate fans keep buying this hogwash Nutting will keep making these empty promises and laugh all the way to the bank. I bought this crap a few years ago but after this year it's clear this organization has zero interest in winning and is simply selling empty promises to blindly loyal fans. I don't blame Nutting as it's smart business. I blame the fans who continue to support this crap
When and if the fans stop buying this crap things will change. Season ticket sales for next year should be interesting as there really isn't much to selll in the way of talent. They may lose 100 games next year.
Also for those who use the small market crap to defend Nutting. KC is proof that small market teams can compete and win big when managed properly
That's a bingo.
Spot on.
Look at the Nicasio deal now. Lol the Phillies trade him to StL.....
For a decent prospect.
Lmao
NH is already setting up to blame the fans when this team will Be built to lose 90 plus next yr.
So Nutting hits his number!!!!
Forgive me if using "good" is an understatement but my point is, the Pirates are not a historically "good" baseball club.
