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OT: This is shocking, Trump and Vance team up to attack Ukraine Pres Zelenskyy!!

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Tired retreads of issues mean little here. Ukraine meets two conditions and Russia under a dictator doesn't invade. A deal brokered with Turkey was ready for signature and the US and NATO big names nixed the deal. Biden left Trump with wars, conflicts and crime,border and economic issues so terrible hard to see how this is reversed. Proxy wars never ending well. Vance said it all, the enemy is with in.
You'll just regurgitate anything they say, huh?
 
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No the issue is misinformation. The issue is defining it and the consequences. I could be wrong but I assume if your side says it, then it’s fact. I don't agree with violent protests or destruction of property or misinformation that causes it. Again both sides do it.

Dems said there was nothing wrong with Bidens briain when most could see otherwise. Then the dems came out and said, ok there is something wrong. There were consequences in a lost election.

Bad idea to litigate spreading misinformation. Its impossible.
I have no problem with holding dems being held responsible for misinformation on Biden’s health. However, I’m not sure it’s their obligation to report it to anyone. Again, facts are facts. Alternative facts aren’t.
 
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It was very clearly sarcasm

theres room between eat the rich and socialism

The French Revolution where the phrase started is very much credited with the beginnings of liberal democracy which is alive and well today and can coexist with a brand of capitalism that doesn’t have to be exploitable and monopolistic
Listen I’m being sarcastic. I have no problem with rich people. Corporate greed is killing the middle class. I saw firsthand in the greater Pittsburgh metro when the mills closed and 200K people were unemployed and we were in a depression. We live in the greatest country in the world.
 
i was embarrassed as an american watching that.
The pro war crowd is embarrassed. Who cares how they feel. Zalensky is hurting his cause. His ambassador felt it. Trump is a peace president. Where is the old Dem party that hated wars? The Ukrainian people are suffering. End this.
 
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Wow breaking: Biden blamed Obama and Pelosi for Russia/Ukraine problems.
 
I have no problem with holding dems being held responsible for misinformation on Biden’s health. However, I’m not sure it’s their obligation to report it to anyone. Again, facts are facts. Alternative facts aren’t.
Agreed. But saying over and over there was not an issue is text book misinformation as is misinformation from the right on topics. Thats just politics. You asked if there should be consequences. Who decides? What are the consequences? Again lot of misinformation out there.

Like Parents whos kids play Division 3 sports and tell people they got a scholarship to play. Sorry had to get that off my chest.
 
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Well lefties are hoping a 7 trillion budget with 5 trillion in revenue works. Massive spending cuts are an answer. Economic growth without spending cuts are not going to work. But cut debt, lower deficits and no more borrowing to the debt is job one. Next cut regs, end the wish list spending and downsize US military presence like Germany. It will take time but little by little.
 
77 million people spoke.

You know that less that 50% of THOSE THAT VOTED had voted for him right? In fact, more DIDN'T vote for him than voted for him. Look it up.

Also, only 155M voted out of the 300M citizens. Not a mandate. Just too many lazy people that didn't vote. Barely over 50%.
 
Well lefties are hoping a 7 trillion budget with 5 trillion in revenue works. Massive spending cuts are an answer. Economic growth without spending cuts are not going to work. But cut debt, lower deficits and no more borrowing to the debt is job one. Next cut regs, end the wish list spending and downsize US military presence like Germany. It will take time but little by little.
You have just under 23 months before midterms gets rid of the idiots in Congress
 
Agreed. But saying over and over there was not an issue is text book misinformation as is misinformation from the right on topics. Thats just politics. You asked if there should be consequences. Who decides? What are the consequences? Again lot of misinformation out there.

Like Parents whos kids play Division 3 sports and tell people they got a scholarship to play. Sorry had to get that off my chest.
Okay, you obviously don’t believe in facts or evidence. It’s whoever screams the loudest wins. Which is complete bullshit. I guess you are the face of the new America. Thank God I’m old. I can’t wait until you f…ers need to learn Russian or Mandorin.
 
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I have no problem with holding dems being held responsible for misinformation on Biden’s health. However, I’m not sure it’s their obligation to report it to anyone. Again, facts are facts. Alternative facts aren’t.
So you think that the free press, the supposed non biased truth seekers, didn’t have an obligation to report to the American people that our President was senile? When it was obvious to everyone that has two eyes and ears?

Goebbles might be blushing with that one.
 
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Okay, you obviously don’t believe in facts or evidence. It’s whoever screams the loudest wins. Which is complete bullshit. I guess you are the face of the new America. Thank God I’m old. I can’t wait until you f…ers need to learn Russian or Mandorin.
Thats dramatic. What facts don't I believe?
 
So you think that the free press, the supposed non biased truth seekers, didn’t have an obligation to report to the American people that our President was senile? When it was obvious to everyone that has two eyes and ears?

Goebbles might be blushing with that one.
I’m pretty sure it did. I’m also pretty sure you saw people like Bill Maher asking him to bow out. It just didn’t happen.
 
You know that less that 50% of THOSE THAT VOTED had voted for him right? In fact, more DIDN'T vote for him than voted for him. Look it up.

Also, only 155M voted out of the 300M citizens. Not a mandate. Just too many lazy people that didn't vote. Barely over 50%.
This is still an equally divided country no matter what the MAGA folks like to claim. Unfortunately Biden declining mentally during his administration, the debate and his inability to speak clearly to get his message out hurt the Dems. Rushing Kamala to take his place was doomed to fail. I really believe by the time 2028 hits if the Dems can nominate a moderate like the popular Gov from Kentucky Andy Beshear they will win back the White House.
 
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This is still an equally divided country no matter what the MAGA folks like to claim. Unfortunately Biden declining mentally during his administration, the debate and his inability to speak clearly to get his message out hurt the Dems. Rushing Kamala to take his place was doomed to fail. I really believe by the time 2028 hits if the Dems can nominate a moderate like the popular Gov from Kentucky Andy Beshear they will win back the White House.
The Dems are not good with messaging. The economy was doing well but didn't promote it well enough.

Just look at the right with the BS of DOGE..,they haven't found shit regarding waste but they keep talking like they do...keep saying something false enough and it becomes the truth.
 
I recommend that you read PA congressmen (R) Bryan Fitzpatrick’s comments on the situation. He is the only former FBI agent in Congress who happened to serve his time in Ukraine.

By the way, the US voted with North Korea and Russia a few days ago. The other 93 countries — our biggest allies and trade partners for 100 years — voted the other way. Take from that what you would like.
 
I recommend that you read PA congressmen (R) Bryan Fitzpatrick’s comments on the situation. He is the only former FBI agent in Congress who happened to serve his time in Ukraine.

By the way, the US voted with North Korea and Russia a few days ago. The other 93 countries — our biggest allies and trade partners for 100 years — voted the other way. Take from that what you would like.
Awful. When the Dems retake the White House there is gonna be a lot of rebuilding relationships the President will have to do. Donald Trump this term you can see already, has a goal to push so much chaos on us and the world.
 
This is still an equally divided country no matter what the MAGA folks like to claim. Unfortunately Biden declining mentally during his administration, the debate and his inability to speak clearly to get his message out hurt the Dems. Rushing Kamala to take his place was doomed to fail. I really believe by the time 2028 hits if the Dems can nominate a moderate like the popular Gov from Kentucky Andy Beshear they will win back the White House.
Agree but don’t count out Shapiro. He’s positioning himself right now
 
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