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OT: This is shocking, Trump and Vance team up to attack Ukraine Pres Zelenskyy!!

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They tried that with Biden though. Didn't bring people over the 2nd time.
Eliminate Biden from any example because he clearly was declining in his ability to speak and answer questions. If we had the Biden who ran in 2019 he would have won re-election.

His staff imo also were terrible and did him no favors. It was all over when in 2022 he kept touting Bidenomics when 3/4 of the country thought the economy was in bad shape. Just awful strategizing. It looked like Biden was out of touch with most of the country.

Andy Beshear is hugely popular in ruby red Kentucky, he would be a great nominee.
 
My worry though is can Beshear win in Democrat primaries? There is this far left faction that still don't get we need someone in the middle and they're gonna be pushing for these far lefties.
I like either one as the Presidential Nominee. I like Wes Moore as well for VP.
 
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I’m going to laugh when Vance is President for 8 years after Trump
This country is going to be in shambles once Trump is done with it.

Trump promised the economy would improve instantly once he took over. Why hasn’t it happened? Oh wait. Just another one of his lies that you MAGA fools fell for.

What about the national debt? How many more Trillion will he add to it?
 
A lot of people on both sides claiming their side is telling the truth

Me thinks this is a lot more in the gray
I think in general it’s always gray. I do think that in general what Trump is doing to zelensky would be equivalent to FDR telling Churchill in 1940 he needs to end the war that the UK started.
 
Hope they run him. Elon won't be cheating next time for the couch f**ker.
dems went to far left. you guys are fighting for illegal aliens and trannies and nut job parents mutilating their kids to impress the lgbtq community to show how woke they are.

If only you stayed somewhat normal, you wouldnt have lost your party. the blame falls on you.
 
This country is going to be in shambles once Trump is done with it.

Trump promised the economy would improve instantly once he took over. Why hasn’t it happened? Oh wait. Just another one of his lies that you MAGA fools fell for.

What about the national debt? How many more Trillion will he add to it?
lol, it's been a month. so dems talked about how great the economy and now that trump is in office, it's terrrible? tell me you dont know how economies work without telling me you dont know how economies work.


Hes saving us billions with doge, they literally have a website with itemized receipts and dems are mad because the party that wanted to bring on thousands of irs to audit us, is getting audited and they hate it.

it's so hilarious hearing dems talk about wasteful spending but wanting to give tens of billions to foreign aid weekly. pick a lane.
 
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dems went to far left. you guys are fighting for illegal aliens and trannies and nut job parents mutilating their kids to impress the lgbtq community to show how woke they are.

If only you stayed somewhat normal, you wouldnt have lost your party. the blame falls on you.
That was the cultural war that the GOP (i mean Russia) propaganda used to perfection.

Did you know that there are 10 trans people out of 500K college athletes? Yet they made it seem like it's a YUGE problem.

Same with the illegal immigrants...border apprehensions went down under Biden, in fact his final year was lower than when Trump's final year was. And there is more crime by non illegal immigrants than by them. But they did a number on you MAGA folks. Hell, my Trumper nephew STILL thinks they're eating the cats and dogs in Springfield OH.

They brainwashed you all good...and they convinced just enough to think Trump will "fix" grocery prices. Rubes.
 
lol, it's been a month. so dems talked about how great the economy and now that trump is in office, it's terrrible? tell me you dont know how economies work without telling me you dont know how economies work.


Hes saving us billions with doge, they literally have a website with itemized receipts and dems are mad because the party that wanted to bring on thousands of irs to audit us, is getting audited and they hate it.

it's so hilarious hearing dems talk about wasteful spending but wanting to give tens of billions to foreign aid weekly. pick a lane.
The DOGE stuff is BS. In fact they removed their top 5 items from their website.
 
lol, it's been a month. so dems talked about how great the economy and now that trump is in office, it's terrrible? tell me you dont know how economies work without telling me you dont know how economies work.


Hes saving us billions with doge, they literally have a website with itemized receipts and dems are mad because the party that wanted to bring on thousands of irs to audit us, is getting audited and they hate it.

it's so hilarious hearing dems talk about wasteful spending but wanting to give tens of billions to foreign aid weekly. pick a lane.
$4.5 trillion in tax cuts and a $4 trillion increase in the U.S. debt limit. That’s Trump’s Plan. The National Debt is going to skyrocket under him again. You really are clueless.
 
dems went to far left. you guys are fighting for illegal aliens and trannies and nut job parents mutilating their kids to impress the lgbtq community to show how woke they are.

If only you stayed somewhat normal, you wouldnt have lost your party. the blame falls on you.
What do you mean “you guys” and WTF are you talking about? Does that freak Marjorie Taylor Greene represent all Republicans? Do the Proud Boys represent all Republicans? There are whack jobs on both sides. Your boy Trump doesn’t give a shit about you or me. The extremely wealthy are the only people that will see any sort of benefit from him in office.
 
What do you mean “you guys” and WTF are you talking about? Does that freak Marjorie Taylor Greene represent all Republicans? Do the Proud Boys represent all Republicans? There are whack jobs on both sides. Your boy Trump doesn’t give a shit about you or me. The extremely wealthy are the only people that will see any sort of benefit from him in office.
he's accomplishing everything we voted him in for, that's what pisses you off. he is stopping illegals from coming in, he is stopping the fraud spending with a bloated govt and he's stopping the garbage foreign aid we've been getting raped for with who, nih, usaid, ukraine, and he's auditing all the federal agencies who've been stealing from tax payers.

i love it, americans love it and it burns you up. that gets my d(ck hard seeing fruitcakes like you get upset. the angrier you are, the better off i know he's doing.
 
$4.5 trillion in tax cuts and a $4 trillion increase in the U.S. debt limit. That’s Trump’s Plan. The National Debt is going to skyrocket under him again. You really are clueless.
lol, sure it is. keep spewing the libreral media nonsense, you are one of the last few falling for these lies..
 
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he's accomplishing everything we voted him in for, that's what pisses you off. he is stopping illegals from coming in, he is stopping the fraud spending with a bloated govt and he's stopping the garbage foreign aid we've been getting raped for with who, nih, usaid, ukraine, and he's auditing all the federal agencies who've been stealing from tax payers.

i love it, americans love it and it burns you up. that gets my d(ck hard seeing fruitcakes like you get upset. the angrier you are, the better off i know he's doing.

You are dumber than a box of rocks. You are exactly what Trump likes. A Trillion is a hell of a lot more than a Billion, but you are too stupid to know that apparently.

The National Debt increased nearly 8 Trillion the first time and he was well on that path before Covid happened near the end of his first term. The numbers provided for his tax plans are facts and can be found numerous places.
 
lol, it's been a month. so dems talked about how great the economy and now that trump is in office, it's terrrible? tell me you dont know how economies work without telling me you dont know how economies work.


Hes saving us billions with doge, they literally have a website with itemized receipts and dems are mad because the party that wanted to bring on thousands of irs to audit us, is getting audited and they hate it.

it's so hilarious hearing dems talk about wasteful spending but wanting to give tens of billions to foreign aid weekly. pick a lane.
What the foreign aid they’re saving is 1% of the budget. Want to save money. Start with the hospitals, insurance companies and the pharmaceuticals who over charge Medicare and Medicaid. And stop cutting taxes for the rich and corporations.
 
The idea that Russia will stop its aggression if Zelensky/Ukraine give up and agree to Russia’s cease fire treaty is a severe misreading of geopolitics and history. Russia did not abide by any “cease fire” agreements last time they (1) invaded Georgia, and Bush Jr. failed to adequately respond; or (2) invaded Crimea, and Obama failed to adequately respond. Why should this be any different?
 
he's accomplishing everything we voted him in for, that's what pisses you off. he is stopping illegals from coming in, he is stopping the fraud spending with a bloated govt and he's stopping the garbage foreign aid we've been getting raped for with who, nih, usaid, ukraine, and he's auditing all the federal agencies who've been stealing from tax payers.

i love it, americans love it and it burns you up. that gets my d(ck hard seeing fruitcakes like you get upset. the angrier you are, the better off i know he's doing.
What fraud has doge found? They said they found 8 billion dollars but no proof of anything. My question to trump supporters are what is ur low? How low does trump have to go for you still to support him? Today in the white house he sided with Russia!!!!
 
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What fraud has doge found? They said they found 8 billion dollars but no proof of anything. My question to trump supporters are what is ur low? How low does trump have to go for you still to support him? Today in the white house he sided with Russia!!!!

Creepy that some Americans are siding with North Korea and Putin. Pretty much the kids in history class that got their papers handed back face down.
 
Its just amazing what people believe. Doge says they find fraud provide no proof of fraud does not matter. Every day since trump took over their seems to be an issue with a plane. He blames biden and mayor pete they belive him. Musk has no clearances and is running cabinet meetings yep thats normal.
 
Its just amazing what people believe. Doge says they find fraud provide no proof of fraud does not matter. Every day since trump took over their seems to be an issue with a plane. He blames biden and mayor pete they belive him. Musk has no clearances and is running cabinet meetings yep thats normal.
You were OK with Hunter Biden attending WH meetings and advising his father after that debate performance? Hunter was probably more lucid than pops so Im ok with Jill or Hunter jumping in.

Data shows tHeRe are not more plane issues this year. Trump or Biden aren’t to blame.

You are correct, it’s amazing what partisan people will believe.
 
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Millions have died, we've given $200 billion + in cash, equipment and aid, they had zero shot to win the war when it started and they have worse odds now, it's time to stop the fighting.
You obviously get your statistics from some site in space and not the real world. We have given Ukraine $110 Billion in aid since February 24, 2022. Trump says $350 Billion so at least you didn’t accept his lie. Of that $110 Billion, 71% was for weapons systems and other equipment manufactured by American companies. It either came from new procurements or from existing stockpiles. A lot of that were for weapons systems that were better than those the Ukrainians (and Russians) have but were being mothballed in the US because our technology has passed them by.
The F16 fighters we sent, for example, are two generations behind our current top fighters, including the F35. We sent them HIMARS systems which remain excellent but the warheads we sent them are two generations behind current models both in range and in explosive power.

When the war started, Russia said it would take Kyiv within a week and conquer the entire country in two weeks. Take a look at a current map. Russia took control over one large Ukrainian city which they hadn’t been occupying since 2014, Kherson. They were driven out in 2023. They got to within 16 miles of Kharkiv which is 35 miles from the Russian border. They have been driven back beyond the border. They have lost 60% of the land they seized in the first two weeks of the war.

People like you greatly overestimate Russia’s military power. With a population three times the size of Ukraine’s they have had to hire mercenaries from Cuba, Africa and Asia and bring in North Korean troops to try to slow down Ukraine’s counterattacks into Russian regions adjoining Ukraine. Ukraine still holds most of that territory.

The EU is going to have to makeup the aid the US has stopped. I have no doubt they will. Counter to what the Russian stooge occupying the White House says, they have provided more aid than we did.

The Orange Buffoon will do everything Putin asks to help Russia. He will end sanctions to help Russia’s economy. It won’t matter. The war will continue to be a stalemate. Ukraine is going nowhere.
 
Ukraine has always been part of either Germany or Russia. If the European nations truly care about Ukraine & by extension, their own sovereignty, they will increase their % of gnp spending on arms & counter the Russians.
America is the only country out there that cab deter China, and that is where the US focus needs to be. The Ukraine so far has been mostly a money laundering scheme for Zelensky.
He can't account for any of the $$. Meanwhile, biden & Obama have acquired multiple multimillion homes on a $400 k a year salary.
The US getting involved in ww1 caused ww2.
Hopefully, we have learned the lesson that Europe needs to find its balance.
Germany shutting its nukes down to become dependent on Russian gas has got to be the greatest propaganda win ever. Russia funded the whole green protest & now has crippled Germany. Like the nato president said, if the children want to sit at the adult table, pony up!
 
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Human psychology is fascinating. As I lay here, JD’s book is on the nightstand next to me. I’ve never read it, but my daughter did several years ago and loved it, just as many progressives did. But now he’s hated by the same people. But people evolve.

Or they just evolve and join the other team because their team left them behind. Like JD, Like Donald, like Elon etc.
Or his book was a grift. Just like him. Grifters grift.
 
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You were OK with Hunter Biden attending WH meetings and advising his father after that debate performance? Hunter was probably more lucid than pops so Im ok with Jill or Hunter jumping in.

Data shows tHeRe are not more plane issues this year. Trump or Biden aren’t to blame.

You are correct, it’s amazing what partisan people will believe.
So it has nothing to do with trump laying off 400 airline staffers?
 
You know that less that 50% of THOSE THAT VOTED had voted for him right? In fact, more DIDN'T vote for him than voted for him. Look it up.

Also, only 155M voted out of the 300M citizens. Not a mandate. Just too many lazy people that didn't vote. Barely over 50%.
I know you guys want to lower the voter age and let 10 year olds vote. Hey, if they are old enough to change their gender they’re old enough to vote. Your spin is cute. Deal with it.

77.

America spoke.
 
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I know you guys want to lower the voter age and let 10 year olds vote. Hey, if they are old enough to change their gender they’re old enough to vote. Your spin is cute. Deal with it.

77.

America spoke.
And America now has Buyers Remorse
 
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I know you guys want to lower the voter age and let 10 year olds vote. Hey, if they are old enough to change their gender they’re old enough to vote. Your spin is cute. Deal with it.

77.

America spoke.

Democratic Kamala Harris - 75,019,230 (48.34%)
Various Others - 2,878,359 (1.85%)

TOTAL - 77,897,589 (50.19%)

Republican Donald J. Trump - 77,303,568 (49.81%)

Imagine if Elon didn't cheat the computers to get him in...
 
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Source?

23%

That’s your approval number.

You guys were rejected.
Trump had the lowest approval rating at the start of his presidency of any US president in history. It's true, look it up.
 
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