Oh 49.5 isn't so bad! Poor guy just needs a little run support...
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Oh 49.5 isn't so bad! Poor guy just needs a little run support...
back to last place, or a 1/2 game out of second and the wild card spot depending on your point of view
The Pirates are never in a state of “win now”. They will be ok with faking being competitive but will never make the moves needed to be all in. People keep saying “next year “ but with baseball and Tommy john injuries galore next year ain’t promised. But keep having hope
That will show'em. You come into the game with an ERA over 40 and it goes up, you will be gone! "The standard is the standard"
Buccos at it again. 1 hit for Skenes. A leadoff triple by Reynolds and of course, he was stranded there. They have made Miles Mikolas look like Cy Young.
Technically since he was doubled off he wasn't really stranded there.
Gotta like the ending, sorta the opposite of the play from the game on Sunday.
Paul Skenes single handedly has got me caring about the Pirates again.
Nutting needs to make a move at the deadline the cheap sob.
Nutting needs to make a move at the deadline the cheap sob.
Had to look up how the playoffs are formulated now, within reach already.
Team payroll is shameful again.
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I have no idea how MLB doesn't have a salary cap floor. Say 150 million and a cap at like 250.
Team payroll is shameful again.
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I have no idea how MLB doesn't have a salary cap floor. Say 150 million and a cap at like 250.
Team payroll is shameful again....If they only spent like the Mets..... team record outperforming team payroll...Had to look up how the playoffs are formulated now, within reach already.
Team payroll is shameful again.
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I have no idea how MLB doesn't have a salary cap floor. Say 150 million and a cap at like 250.
yes, the Yankees are doing well...we can play the whatabout game all day if you wish...plenty of teams with higher payrolls doing worse than the Bucs...
All im saying is that they have a chance now with Skenes, so spend a couple bucks at the deadline.
Other than a few players the team is a lot more entertaining for sure. I dont think they are far away from contending for a playoff spot.
The only question is do you over pay now to acquire more talent (buyers in season tend to pay more to improve their play off chances) or do you wait until the offseason and load up for next year and get better value? This team is not in a position to over pay for one or two guys to increase their chances this year. But if they can acquire one or two players who will be under contract for 2-3 years without overpaying too much it would be the right thing to do.
If you do it next year, you can acquire some guys who cost more money but do not cost prospects.
... So I would expect Nutting to do it this year. Rent-a-player on a pro-rated salary or something.
All that said, there are only like 5 total teams in the MLB who aren't contenders right now. That would seem to limit the number of sellers.
You would think the greedy ass players union would be all for a cap floor. I guess owners like Nutbag especially, do not want to be told what they must spend. It is high time the sport put in a cap as well. It is the only major sport without a level playing field.Had to look up how the playoffs are formulated now, within reach already.
Team payroll is shameful again.
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I have no idea how MLB doesn't have a salary cap floor. Say 150 million and a cap at like 250.
The union is smart enough to know that a floor doesn't come without a cap, and they want no part of that. Then add in that there are a large number of owners who have no interest at all in there being a cap of any sort, and it's just not going to happen.
Another Bucco special out of the gate tonight. Cutch a leadoff walk, Reynolds doubles into the right field corner making it 2nd and 3rd with no one out. Connor Joe, K. O'Neal Cruz, K. Ke'Brian Hayes, K, completing the trifecta. Just a sad outfit, that can't deliver when needed. I mean, 3 straight major leaguers can't even put the ball in play. SMH.
They miss more pitcher's mistakes than any team I've ever seen. They can get a dead red 2-0 fastball and they'll either pop it up, foul it off, or just whiff. I saw a 2-0 pitch to Cruz a couple games ago that he missed and you could hear Neil just grunt like how did you miss that?
So true. Everytime I see that happen I feel sorry for our pitchers. When one of our pitchers groove one, they don't get it back about 90% of the time. It's funny, the buccos have made very ordinary pitchers look like Sandy Koufax, Cy Young, and Steve Carlton in this series.
Agree 100%. It’s amazing how often on 2-0 count the pitcher will throw a 95 mph fastball right down the middle to a Pirate hitter and they will foul it back or pop it up.
You know they’re sitting on the fastball with a 2-0 count. They just have a lot of bad hitters.
The Buccos hitting lineup is a modern day tragedy. Evertime they get runners on, which doesn't happen often, they become strike out kings. It is absolutely disgusting to watch what are supposed to be professional hitters continually look like little leaguers. I'm actually beginning to be on Nutsack's side as I would not add to this team. This lineup is so bad, that you could pick any 5 hall of fame pitchers from the past, and they would still be a 500 team. I mean, it is automatic out after automatic out. The lineup is just too flawed to be fixed with a couple adds. Steelers training camp can not get here soon enough.
Ha. Ha… outside 3 yiung pitchers they’re a collection of complete garbage.’ Of course. the NL, as a whole, is complete crap. Succos fit tight in.
two out of three in Colorado, a 3-3 road trip and coming home to skenes on the mound. Should target a 4-2 homestand. They are headed in the right direction. tubby telez and finally hitting in June which is helping. This is going to be a slow trend upward. dont expect to be winning 8 out of 10.
just cant hit our july swoon.
just cant hit our july swoon.
This team should be put out with the trash. This could be the worst hitting team the Buccos have ever had. Even when they sucked profusely through the late 90s and 2000s, they still had some guys who could hit. Other than Reynolds, who wasn't great earlier but has come alive, the rest are pretty much dead sticks. McCutchen is done, Gonzalez has cooled, Tellez better, but still blows. Suwinski, Cruz, Taylor, Olivares are all dead sticks. It's just pathetic, and our pitchers deserve some real major league hitters.
Agreed.
And, once again, I say nothing is gonna happen, Nutting ain't spending his money, now, nor in July , nor in 2025, or '26....whatever level the players bring with the low-ball pay-roll, that is what fans will see.....
The Pirates aren't particularly good at it, but I don't think people realize how much hitting is down all over the majors.
Major League average right now is .242/.311/.392. Hitting is down. Run scoring is down. Power is down. It's not just the Pirates, it's everyone. Because teams pitch differently now than they ever did in the past. For example, I don't think that there is any team in the majors at this point that is preaching "pitch to contact", because with all the data now available it's obvious that "pitch to contact" doesn't work nearly as well as "try to strike out every batter, every time."
... Which I always thought was a concept that was agreed upon years ago when choking up was a thing and "At least put it in play; anything can happen" was a concept. Leave it up to a team like the Pirates to attempt to outthink that logic and actually strive to make batters hit the ball.
... Of course the other side to all this is that our staff might not be quite as loaded and ready as people make it out to be. I'm treading lightly, because it's still really good. Just saying: a guy like Jones certainly comes with some doubts as to whether or not he's ready to start mowing down the best of the best in the playoffs. A sub-4.00 ERA, while still good no matter how you slice it, isn't quite the accomplishment this season that it would have been many other seasons.
Either way, we still have a very good top 3, obviously. I'm just not quite convinced this is the season to go all in. Mostly due to the severe lack of hitters, of course.
I stand in agreement. There is no reason to add to this team. Skenes gave up one run in his last start and still couldn't get a win. If this team were to make the playoffs and face 3 good pitchers, they would be lucky to score 2 runs total over a 3 game set. I heard Nutbag on 93.7 today saying that the playoffs is the expectation for this year. He also said that things would have to improve among the current players, implying he has no plans to add. Frankly, I can't blame him. It would take at least 3 to 4 new bats in the lineup for this team to compete in the playoffs.
I'm not expecting anything more than a minor deal for some relief help. I'd love to be surprised, but I am absolutely not expecting it.
In a way, those trades make me even more irate sometimes. Because then you're giving up trade capital in a quarter-assed attempt to seem like you give a damn. It all depends on the details, obviously. Just speaking in general. Go for it or don't go for it. But don't give up a top 20 prospect to bring in some 6th inning rental arm when your offensive stats are among the worst in baseball.
Well I'm not expecting them to give up anything good for a bullpen arm. But then again, it's the Pirates so maybe I should.
Exactly. We all know exactly how the story would unfold if this team somehow made the playoffs. Runs would be scarce, and our pitchers would do their best at plugging the leak in the damn with their fingers before it eventually burst wide open. Then Cruz or Reynolds would hit a solo home run in the 8th to make a 6-1 game 6-2. I simply have absolutely no interest in watching that.
I'm not either, but even if it's a modest cost it will feel like the equivalent of lighting money on fire if it's someone who they could use as part of a trade package in a season when they're more realistic contenders.
But I'll be curious to see what the trade market looks like with so many teams in contention. That would add up to a seller's market on paper, but just making the playoffs probably isn't going to move the needle for most franchises like it would the Pirates.
Henry Davis would actually be a good trade candidate. You can still sell the fact that he isn't all that far removed from being the #1 pick overall, and you have Endy as your catcher of the future. That might be one I wouldn't mind seeing this year, as the longer you wait the less you can claim the "all he needs is a change of scenery" angle.
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