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Henry Davis would actually be a good trade candidate. You can still sell the fact that he isn't all that far removed from being the #1 pick overall, and you have Endy as your catcher of the future. That might be one I wouldn't mind seeing this year, as the longer you wait the less you can claim the "all he needs is a change of scenery" angle.
Agreed. Fullaballoni tweeted that a "Pirates source" mentioned Davis, Mike Burrows, and Luis Ortiz for Jazz Chisholm and Tanner Scott. There's no way the Marlins do that trade but if they actually wanted to, you do it in a heartbeat.
 
I’m usually on the skeptical side when it comes to the Pirates. But apparently another young pitcher Braxton Ashcraft is tearing it up in the minors. If this guy is the real deal, they could have quite the starting rotation next year.
On the flip side, Temarr Johnson is still overmatched by single A pitching - he’s hitting .215 through almost half a season.
All we hear is what a great prospect he is. But it’s definitely getting to the point that if he doesn’t start hitting better soon, everyone should have doubts.
 
I’m usually on the skeptical side when it comes to the Pirates. But apparently another young pitcher Braxton Ashcraft is tearing it up in the minors. If this guy is the real deal, they could have quite the starting rotation next year.
On the flip side, Temarr Johnson is still overmatched by single A pitching - he’s hitting .215 through almost half a season.
All we hear is what a great prospect he is. But it’s definitely getting to the point that if he doesn’t start hitting better soon, everyone should have doubts.

Temarr just turned 20, so I think he should still get some time to adjust... but, at the same time, I totally get it. This organization and its defenders love their "He's only 20. He's only 21. He's only 22. He's only 23. He's only 24. Etc." excuses. Until finally he's only 35, and he's submitting a job application to become the next Fort/Brault.

But I still think he'll be traded this offseason, at the latest, just because he doesn't fit the timeline. We could draft a college player in a few weeks who is two or three years older than he is. Speaking of, I watched a good bit of the College World Series this year, and there is a lefty from Florida whose swing I absolutely fell in love with. Unfortunately, I Googled him and found that I wasn't the only one who liked his swing; I don't think there is any chance he falls to us. But boy would I like to have him. Can't complain tooo much after lucking out in the Skenes sweepstakes, though.
 
Temarr just turned 20, so I think he should still get some time to adjust... but, at the same time, I totally get it. This organization and its defenders love their "He's only 20. He's only 21. He's only 22. He's only 23. He's only 24. Etc." excuses. Until finally he's only 35, and he's submitting a job application to become the next Fort/Brault.

But I still think he'll be traded this offseason, at the latest, just because he doesn't fit the timeline. We could draft a college player in a few weeks who is two or three years older than he is. Speaking of, I watched a good bit of the College World Series this year, and there is a lefty from Florida whose swing I absolutely fell in love with. Unfortunately, I Googled him and found that I wasn't the only one who liked his swing; I don't think there is any chance he falls to us. But boy would I like to have him. Can't complain tooo much after lucking out in the Skenes sweepstakes, though.
Agree that he’s only 20, and could certainly still turn into a great hitter. But it should worry people that have him penciled in as a sure thing.
I’m old enough to remember Chad Hermansen, a high 1st round pick of the Pirates. He was expected to be a superstar SS or CF. After he had been in the organization a short time, a Pirates scout said something along the lines of “the only thing he can’t do is walk on water.” The other thing he couldn’t do was hit 😊
 
Today's "because it Derick Shelton, that's why" moment. Two outs, no one on in the 7th, Sheltie sends up Oneal Cruz to pinch hit for Connor Joe. Now let's set aside for the moment that Cruz ends up getting called out on a pitch clock violation where he just stands there outside the batter's box doing nothing until the clock runs down, and let's just look at the decision.

Sure, Joe only has a .672 OPS against righties this year. OK, that's not great, maybe you should consider pinch hitting for him. But there are two outs and no one on, so it's not like it's a high leverage situation or anything. So then in the 8th inning, runners on second and third with two outs and Yasmani Grandal come to the plate. Grandal has an OPS against right handers this year of .460. That's only slightly better than what your average fan in the stands could probably do. So of course they pinch hit for him, right? Ah, no.

It's similar to the way he handles his pitching staff. He seems completely incapable of thinking about anything other than this very moment. And then as things play out he leaves himself in a worse situation with no moves to make.
 
How do you mess that slide up?

Also, Hayes can’t play every day at this level.
 
Tonight's game against the Cardinals provided the evidence that sets these teams apart and why the Pirates will not be a playoff team. In the 4th inning i believe, Mitch Keller throws a backdoor breaking ball which the Cardinal hitter promptly turned into a grandslam. While the pitch was up in the zone, it barely caught the outside edge of the plate, yet he hit it out of the yard. The difference, there is not a single hitter on the Pirate team who would not have stood there and watched the exact same pitch for a called strike three, let alone hit it out. Sad
 
If Skenes was able to pitch against the Pirates I would think he would strike out 15 to 20 batters in a game if he pitched 9 innings.
 
As I heard Paul Zeise say on the radio the other day, Michael A. Taylor needs to be Michael DFA Taylor.

And of course he goes 4 for 4 after that. The Pantherlair anti curse is alive and well.
 
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As I heard Paul Zeise say on the radio the other day, Michael A. Taylor needs to be Michael DFA Taylor.

And of course he goes 4 for 4 after that. The Pantherlair anti curse is alive and well.


He got hits on the first three pitches he saw. He probably didn't have three hits in the three weeks leading up to that game.
 
Chapman blew a lead today. Two walks and two hits in the ninth and had the bases juiced at one point. Dude has one job to do and is paid handsomely to do it. Feel free to trade him at the deadline.
 
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Chapman blew a lead today. Two walks and two hits in the ninth and had the bases juiced at one point. Dude has one job to do and is paid handsomely to do it. Feel free to trade him at the deadline.
He has pitched 32 innings and has issued 32 walks… Pitiful. He did the exact same thing last year as a Texas Ranger…
 
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He has pitched 32 innings and has issued 32 walks… Pitiful. He did the exact same thing last year as a Texas Ranger…
When Bednar was struggling early in the season, I heard some people saying Bednar needed to be demoted and Chapman should be our closer. And then some others I know that follow baseball more closely said that would be a mistake given Chapman's track record over the past couple years, that Chapman no longer has what it takes to be a closer -- although I can't remember the reasoning, maybe it was because of the issue with walks?
 
When Bednar was struggling early in the season, I heard some people saying Bednar needed to be demoted and Chapman should be our closer. And then some others I know that follow baseball more closely said that would be a mistake given Chapman's track record over the past couple years, that Chapman no longer has what it takes to be a closer -- although I can't remember the reasoning, maybe it was because of the issue with walks?


Chapman has always walked a lot of guys. But earlier in his career he was striking out so many guys that it rarely hurt him. Now he doesn't strike out as many (don't get me wrong, he still strikes out a lot, just not as many) the walks tend to hurt him more.
 
Chapman has always walked a lot of guys. But earlier in his career he was striking out so many guys that it rarely hurt him. Now he doesn't strike out as many (don't get me wrong, he still strikes out a lot, just not as many) the walks tend to hurt him more.

His control issues seem to lead to hits lately, too, because he has to just groove one in there at 99 sometimes.

Glad to see we just 1960 Yankees World Series'ed the Mets, though - outscoring them by two touchdowns and only splitting the series. But we all knew it was coming after Friday.
 
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His control issues seem to lead to hits lately, too, because he has to just groove one in there at 99 sometimes.


There are times when he looks like he's aiming the ball rather than just throwing it.

I don't know, maybe he's always looked that way at times and it's just more noticeable when you see him pitch more regularly.
 
And just like that,Tellez has a higher BA than anyone on the team not named Reynolds or Gonzales.
Baseball is a funny game.
Yeah, even funnier when looking at production on the next to lowest payroll in the league, what a coincidence, laugh, laugh., in fact I can't stop laughing.
 
Yeah, even funnier when looking at production on the next to lowest payroll in the league, what a coincidence, laugh, laugh., in fact I can't stop laughing.
We've been laughing for a long time now so you should be use to it.
Hey,at least I can say I saw them win 2 WS in 71 and 79 and am old enough to remember both.
 
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He would be a good addition depending on what the Pirates give up. He can also play 3rd Base:

 
This is Rowdy with 130 more plate appearances and a higher rate of K's per AB......
 
I don't hate the draft pick, but I thought they might go with a college outfielder who could potentially be in the MLB as soon as a year from now.
 
I hear ya, but I guess they went with best available regardless of position or age.... ??

Yeah, highest upside I think, which is probably what teams like them should be doing most years. Looks like he might outgrow shortstop. Maybe he'll be used as a trade chip for someone who better fits the Skenes/Jones/Keller timeline.
 
It's not unreasonable to wish a guy could have been a June 2025 call-up and an opening day 2026 starter.
You think they would have took someone with that timeline, since they should be thinking that’s their window to compete with Skenes & Jones still around and affordable.
 
Their thinking might be that they are giving Cruz a few more years. If he reaches his full potential, Pirates won't be able to re-sign him and we'll need a SS. Or if he doesn't reach his full potential in next 2-3 years, he's probably no longer going to be playing SS. This guy will fill in that position.

I'm okay with them going for the big SS prospect -- between Cruz and him, hopefully one of them pans out to be a perennial all-star caliber player. Obviously they are on different timelines, but if one of them can be a Corey Seager type, that'd be wonderful.
 
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Their thinking might be that they are giving Cruz a few more years. If he reaches his full potential, Pirates won't be able to re-sign him and we'll need a SS. Or if he doesn't reach his full potential in next 2-3 years, he's probably no longer going to be playing SS. This guy will fill in that position.

I'm okay with them going for the big SS prospect -- between Cruz and him, hopefully one of them pans out to be a perennial all-star caliber player. Obviously they are on different timelines, but if one of them can be a Corey Seager type, that'd be wonderful.
Thinking center field with this guy’s speed and arm. 3rd pick SS so….
 
Their thinking might be that they are giving Cruz a few more years. If he reaches his full potential, Pirates won't be able to re-sign him and we'll need a SS. Or if he doesn't reach his full potential in next 2-3 years, he's probably no longer going to be playing SS. This guy will fill in that position.

I'm okay with them going for the big SS prospect -- between Cruz and him, hopefully one of them pans out to be a perennial all-star caliber player. Obviously they are on different timelines, but if one of them can be a Corey Seager type, that'd be wonderful.

I don't think even LSU viewed this dude as a shortstop. He'll be in the outfield soon. At least in my opinion. Never know with the organization that would let a dude walking around on stilts play shortstop.
 
Especially at the ninth overall pick

I said who could potentially be in the MLB a year from now; I wasn't suggesting they would draft someone with the intention of him being an opening-day starter next season or anything like that. But baseball is a different animal anyway, so I guess it really doesn't matter. This dude could very well just be a trade chip. I don't think he quite fits the timeline.

The way I see it, you have a 3ish year window to win, beginning opening day 2025. After that, you have to start flipping Skenes and company for prospects to build it back up.
 
BTW. No doubt Skenes was a great pick. But many wanted them to pick Crews. And while he’s doing OK in the Minors Langford who some said had more upside than crews is tearing it up in the majors. I said at the time if they were to pick a position player last year that Langford was the far better prospect. More power and I think faster

Not sure if any of the top picks this year are as good. I guess we’ll see But those three stood out from the rest last year
 
BTW. No doubt Skenes was a great pick. But many wanted them to pick Crews. And while he’s doing OK in the Minors Langford who some said had more upside than crews is tearing it up in the majors. I said at the time if they were to pick a position player last year that Langford was the far better prospect. More power and I think faster

Not sure if any of the top picks this year are as good. I guess we’ll see But those three stood out from the rest last year

I really liked what I saw from Jac Caglianone from Florida. But the fact that he fell to 6th must mean he wasn't quite the phenom I would have guessed him to be from what little I saw.

I certainly don't follow college baseball closely, and I suspect that's the case for most on this board. I remember Tommy White (NC State to LSU) being the toast of the town for a while. Looks like he went 40th to Oakland.

As for Langford, I think he's been on a hot streak lately, but I wouldn't say he's been tearing it up as a whole in the majors... at least not yet.
 
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