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** What’s tough for this Pitt fan, and I assume any Pitt fan, is how to view or frame a season such as this to gain any enjoyment at all.

** What is success? Is it improvement? Is it achieving somewhere above already low expectations? Is it watching a few of our better players mature and demonstrate real talent for the future?

** Unfortunately, in present day college basketball, it’s almost hard seeing good players on a bad team growing and achieving, knowing that they may just be auditioning for greener pastures.

** A wise Pitt Hoops fan once wrote on these message boards that the goal of any team should be to become the best team they can be. I’ve since then always subscribed to that mantra, even if it’s hard like it is with this squad to create a picture in one’s mind just what that would look like.

** I’m sure there are plenty of Pitt fans who would submit that success this year can actually be defined by the team grabbing the least possible level of success, thinking this will hasten the exit of the man in charge. While I can understand the logic in such a belief, I just can’t go into a season hoping for the Panthers to lose. At least not three games in.

** All of this to say that I’m glad the Panthers won tonight. But I can’t say that I really enjoyed it. Especially the second half.

** In his post game show, HC Jeff Capel said his team was going to need to have to win ugly this year. Well, if that’s the case, then mission accomplished I guess. However, I don’t think barely holding off a sub 250 Pomeroy ranked team is the kind of ugly is what any coach can be looking for.

** In fact, I don’t think this was winning ugly. It was more like winning ineptly, even there’s even such a thing.

** Perhaps that’s a little bit too harsh. There was some decent defense for many stretches during the game, particularly in the final minutes. And Big John was a rock on the glass. So was Will for stretches when he seemed to soar in for rebounds. Generally speaking, we kept dribblers in front of us, and communicated and switched, at least enough to get the job done even if this was a poor opponent.

** My concern with the defense though is that we don’t really look to force turnovers, nor push opponents to make mistakes. We are just playing straight up per se, and when your offense can’t score, eventually an opponent is going to catch up, even a bad one like the Seahawks.

** So of course, I could go on and on about our offensive ineptitude. There’s a long list of problems. At the top of the list, it’s not even just that we can’t shoot the ball from three. It’s that we don’t even shoot the ball from three.

** Watching the Panthers play offense made me wonder just want that game plan is. Maybe sometimes it’s to dump the ball to Big John and have him look for cutters. That worked a little in the first half, and John is a decent enough passer.

** But that was cut off in the second half after two quick buckets, and that left almost no way for the Panthers to score. Our last basket came at the 8:40 mark, and that was after a scramble following an offensive rebound. It was only one of 7 second half baskets. And not one of those was a jump shot. That’s kind of scary really.

** It also can’t be said that the Panthers passed up many jump shots. They really don’t get any.

** I’m wondering why just about every team in college basketball (or the pros, or even high school for that matter) can get the drive and pass for the open three corner fairly easily, but this does not even seem to be a strategy we employ.

** Knowing that we have one decent outside shooter in Nate Santos, who seems somewhat skilled at moving without the ball, why aren’t we running anything to get him shots? Nate didn’t get a single jump shot today.

** Regardless, whether it’s from poor design or poor execution, there isn’t a team above an eight grade level who can be the best team they can be when only shooting four three point shots in a game. It’s become far too an important part of the game.

** Going further, our guards and wings shot just two threes, while the other two were from our center, one of which was really ill advised.

** We know we just don’t have the skill to become anywhere close to being an even decent three point shooting team. But is 4-14 in a game too much to ask?

** Mr. Burton was a welcome addition to the fray today, and he played pretty well considering it was his first action. He seems like he has a head for the game, so hopefully he’ll work to improve this horrible deficit in the Panther offense.

** Three days from now, he’d better be because the way we played tonight on offense just might not be enough to garner a win against a like Towson who is at least a little better than UNCW.

** Through these words tonight, I can’t say I’ve come anywhere close to determining any worthwhile way to frame this season, let alone enjoy it. So I’ll settle for us getting a little better on Friday, watching a team that actually seems to have a better plan on offense.

** Even if we play with a better plan, there’s the huge question of whether or not we have anywhere near the skill to pull it off. But it would be a start.
 
** What’s tough for this Pitt fan, and I assume any Pitt fan, is how to view or frame a season such as this to gain any enjoyment at all.

** What is success? Is it improvement? Is it achieving somewhere above already low expectations? Is it watching a few of our better players mature and demonstrate real talent for the future?

** Unfortunately, in present day college basketball, it’s almost hard seeing good players on a bad team growing and achieving, knowing that they may just be auditioning for greener pastures.

** A wise Pitt Hoops fan once wrote on these message boards that the goal of any team should be to become the best team they can be. I’ve since then always subscribed to that mantra, even if it’s hard like it is with this squad to create a picture in one’s mind just what that would look like.

** I’m sure there are plenty of Pitt fans who would submit that success this year can actually be defined by the team grabbing the least possible level of success, thinking this will hasten the exit of the man in charge. While I can understand the logic in such a belief, I just can’t go into a season hoping for the Panthers to lose. At least not three games in.

** All of this to say that I’m glad the Panthers won tonight. But I can’t say that I really enjoyed it. Especially the second half.

** In his post game show, HC Jeff Capel said his team was going to need to have to win ugly this year. Well, if that’s the case, then mission accomplished I guess. However, I don’t think barely holding off a sub 250 Pomeroy ranked team is the kind of ugly is what any coach can be looking for.

** In fact, I don’t think this was winning ugly. It was more like winning ineptly, even there’s even such a thing.

** Perhaps that’s a little bit too harsh. There was some decent defense for many stretches during the game, particularly in the final minutes. And Big John was a rock on the glass. So was Will for stretches when he seemed to soar in for rebounds. Generally speaking, we kept dribblers in front of us, and communicated and switched, at least enough to get the job done even if this was a poor opponent.

** My concern with the defense though is that we don’t really look to force turnovers, nor push opponents to make mistakes. We are just playing straight up per se, and when your offense can’t score, eventually an opponent is going to catch up, even a bad one like the Seahawks.

** So of course, I could go on and on about our offensive ineptitude. There’s a long list of problems. At the top of the list, it’s not even just that can can’t shoot the ball from three. It’s that we don’t even shoot the ball from three.

** Watching the Panthers play offense made me wonder just want that game plan is. Maybe sometimes it’s to dump the ball to Big John and have him look for cutters. That worked a little in the first half, and John is a decent enough passer.

** But that was cut off in the second half after two quick buckets, and that left almost no way for the Panthers to score. Our last basket came at the 8:40 mark, and that was after a scramble following an offensive rebound. It was only one of 7 second half baskets. And not one of those was a jump shot. That’s kind of scary really.

** It also can’t be said that the Panthers passed up many jump shots. They really don’t get any.

** I’m wondering why just about every team in college basketball (or the pros, or even high school for that matter) can get the drive and pass to for the open three corner fairly easily, but this does not even seem to be a strategy we employ.

** Knowing that we have one decent outside shooter in Nate Santos, who seems somewhat skilled at moving without the ball, why aren’t we running anything to get him shots? Nate didn’t get a single jump shot today.

** Regardless, whether it’s from poor design or poor execution, there isn’t a team above an eight grade level who can be the best team they can be when only shooting four three point shots in a game. It’s become far too an important part of the game.

** Going further, our guards and wings shot just two threes, while the other two were from our center, one of which was really ill advised.

** We know we just don’t have the skill to become anywhere close to being an even decent three point shooting team. But is 4-14 in a game too much to ask?

** Mr. Burton was a welcome addition to the fray today, and he played pretty well considering it was his first action. He seems like he has a head for the game, so hopefully he’ll work to improve this horrible deficit in the Panther offense.

** Three days from now, he’d better be because the way we played tonight on offense just might not be enough to garner a win against a like Towson who is at least a little better than UNCW.

** Through these words tonight, I can’t say I’ve come anywhere close to determining any worthwhile way to frame this season, let alone enjoy it. So I’ll settle for us getting a little better on Friday, watching a team that actually seems to have a better plan on offense.

** Even if we play with a better plan, there’s the huge question of whether or not we have anywhere near the skill to pull it off. But it would be a start.
They have to pretend like they can hit 3s. They have to double good attempts at least.

I didnt like the time big John shot the 3 but i dont remember the shot clock.
However i do think he should take 1-3 a game and if he hits one then the greenlight is on for more.
 
** I’m wondering why just about every team in college basketball (or the pros, or even high school for that matter) can get the drive and pass to for the open three corner fairly easily, but this does not even seem to be a strategy we employ.
Why aren't we employing this strategy? Because we have a poor head coach and a useless staff that's why. It's honestly not more complicated than that. I don't think any of us understood what our offensive gameplan was. Or is. 1 basket made in the last 14 minutes? That is worse than the Stallings era. Worse than his second season here. Hardly any 3 attempts, hardly any jump shots. The offensive ineptitude on display by us was appalling.

Just 1 in a long list of problems with this team and staff. And don't forget all the turnovers yet again. Against WVU it was a lot but I guess you could kind of understand it. But this many against UNC Wilmington? A team picked to finish next to last in their division? It's a joke. It's a joke.
 
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They have to pretend like they can hit 3s. They have to double good attempts at least.

I didnt like the time big John shot the 3 but i dont remember the shot clock.
However i do think he should take 1-3 a game and if he hits one then the greenlight is on for more.

It didn't mean to suggest than John shouldn't shoot threes at all. It's possible he could be a better shooter from deep than anyone. But then let's make it part of the offense instead of "hey I'm out here -- and I might as well shoot it." That's what it sort of seemed like today,
 
It didn't mean to suggest than John shouldn't shoot threes at all.
Yeah i didn't think so. I just always want to say that I think he should. They need to loosen the **** up and believe they can shoot a little.
 
Yeah i didn't think so. I just always want to say that I think he should. They need to loosen the **** up and believe they can shoot a little.

I just edited my reply and added something about which I think you will agree.
 
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The way I look at this season:

We have to play the games. I am going to watch the games and pull for us to win.

I will continue to make suggestions on how we might be able to be the best we can be.

That's about the best we can do I suppose.
 
I'm enjoying Big John more than I thought I would at this point.
We are playing scrubs but he's just moving like a guy who is really going to be really good.
Its been awhile since I've seen prolific post play and it's nice. Just a shame we got so little around it.
 
You know what's really sad about our second half scoring woes? In the post game show the two game announcers both said, and got the coach to agree with them, that at least we shot foul shots better down the stretch.

I guess it depends on what you consider "down the stretch", but in the last six or so minutes of the game we went 5-10. In the last 2:17 it was 3-6. What game were these people even watching?
 
You know what's really sad about our second half scoring woes? In the post game show the two game announcers both said, and got the coach to agree with them, that at least we shot foul shots better down the stretch.

I guess it depends on what you consider "down the stretch", but in the last six or so minutes of the game we went 5-10. In the last 2:17 it was 3-6. What game were these people even watching?

I wondered the same thing when I heard that. Better than what I thought.
 
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You know what's really sad about our second half scoring woes? In the post game show the two game announcers both said, and got the coach to agree with them, that at least we shot foul shots better down the stretch.

I guess it depends on what you consider "down the stretch", but in the last six or so minutes of the game we went 5-10. In the last 2:17 it was 3-6. What game were these people even watching?

Also ... the official attendance was 7,281 which was at least 6,281 too high wouldn't you think?
 
Also ... the official attendance was 7,281 which was at least 6,281 too high wouldn't you think?

Where do they get that number???? No way there are even 5,000 tickets sold/distributed.

Do they just pick a random number???
 
I didn’t get to see the 1H, but man was the 2H ugly. UNCW is awful and, even in our current state, we should have cruised away with a somewhat comfortable win.

The part that concerned me was the rebounding/urgency down the stretch. UNCW couldn’t buy a bucket but they were on every offensive board and fighting for loose balls whereas I didn’t see our guys showing an interest in crashing the boards. For a team that is seemingly going to have to scratch out ugly wins night in and night out, they had better develop an interest in closing out games with some urgency as a more competent team would’ve come back and beaten us last night
 
I didn’t get to see the 1H, but man was the 2H ugly. UNCW is awful and, even in our current state, we should have cruised away with a somewhat comfortable win.

The part that concerned me was the rebounding/urgency down the stretch. UNCW couldn’t buy a bucket but they were on every offensive board and fighting for loose balls whereas I didn’t see our guys showing an interest in crashing the boards. For a team that is seemingly going to have to scratch out ugly wins night in and night out, they had better develop an interest in closing out games with some urgency as a more competent team would’ve come back and beaten us last night
It is so hard to watch this team play. Painful. I can’t imagine what this will look like when we get into the middle of league play. And unfortunately, that is not the worst part of our story. We have no recruits for next year. None. It is not going to change anytime soon. A coaching changed can’t come fast enough.
 
I loved the first half where we really just outscored an undermanned opponent the way we always used to. But then the second half it is clear the UNCW coach, who is waiting for his next job to move up, adjusted and we simply could not handle it. Then we also got tired and couldn’t handle the ball or do anything normal.

At this point, this is what has frustrated me with Capel’s teams. If you are not deeply talented you can get your guys to work their butts off and be in far, far better shape than the other team and collect the fruits of that labor. There are no longer any insiders on the team who can come on the Lair and tell us about practices, etc. But my guess is that practices do not emphasize much of anything because when have you actually seen a Pitt team improve in an aspect of a game from one game to the next?

SMF always ends up saying that his players don’t want to play for him and that is why they want to leave. But then you have Champ basically saying what a great guy and great coach he is. My suspicion at this point is that he knows how to coach true stud players. He just lets them be them. But he cannot coach anyone less and improve them. Trey, X, Audese…all left because they wanted to improve but Capel and his staff cannot get them there. I think this is also why Jeff seems to just focus on 4 and 5 star guys in recruiting because he also knows those are the players he can work with.

Nothing is going to change here and it is time we move on.
 
My 2, or 4 (or more) cents--

Not playing any pressure defense right now is probably because of the lack of guards--can't afford foul trouble for our 2-3 guards. Maybe this will change when Burton is 100 % healthy and if Horton will be back. It isn't that Capel didn't press in past couple of seasons when the guard situation was better.

IMO, no three ball shooting is by design because there isn't anyone who can shoot it with anything close to consistency. Maybe a fully healthy Burton will help change that? And again, if Horton can get back that could really help.

Defending the 3-ball remains problematic--But, since defense is teaching and effort, hopefully that can and should gets better over time.

Why is it that each year Capel seems to be searching for the best five to get the most minutes for multiple games into the season? IMHO, proven top coaches don't seem to be so late in figuring this out.

Santos showed promise. Peyton and Olidapo showed some promise also. But as said above--Capel is still experimenting way too much for already being 3 games in (not counting a secret scrimmage and an exhibition before the season) and IMHO it shouldn't be that way.
 
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Why aren't we employing this strategy? Because we have a poor head coach and a useless staff that's why. It's honestly not more complicated than that. I don't think any of us understood what our offensive gameplan was. Or is. 1 basket made in the last 14 minutes? That is worse than the Stallings era. Worse than his second season here. Hardly any 3 attempts, hardly any jump shots. The offensive ineptitude on display by us was appalling.

Just 1 in a long list of problems with this team and staff. And don't forget all the turnovers yet again. Against WVU it was a lot but I guess you could kind of understand it. But this many against UNC Wilmington? A team picked to finish next to last in their division? It's a joke. It's a joke.
And we have four coaches with head coaching experience. You would think one of them knows a little about offensive X and O’s
 
I missed the first half also and what I saw in the second half was just awful . I’ll admit I’ve been a supporter of JC , but watching his team play last night all I could think of is that this is the worst Pitt team I can remember seeing . I’ve seen a lot of Pitt teams !

Nike’s done for the season so Horton is the only piece of the team he assembled that is missing , hopefully Burton can add something more than he did last night as he continues to recover . The question is , where will the massive improvement needed going to come from so that they won’t be regularly embarrassed in league play ?

In today’s game the way you can build a team doesn’t necessarily require you recruiting high school kids . Unless your recruiting high level high school recruits transfers are a far quicker way to rebuild your program. What Pitt has done so far in this area is to replace their better players who left with less skilled players ! Not sure how you can sell this program right now to kids who can turn it around without paying them handsomely .

I just can’t see how JC can save this season . He had some facial expressions last night of just total befuddlement of the ineptitude of his players decisions. I don’t think he has the answers and it’s becoming obvious he doesn’t have the horses .

I have made a complete 180 degree turn here , without his contract factoring into it there‘s no question what needs done .
 
My 2, or 4 (or more) cents--

Not playing any pressure defense right now is probably because of the lack of guards--can't afford foul trouble for our 2-3 guards. Maybe this will change when Burton is 100 % healthy and if Horton will be back. It isn't that Capel didn't press in past couple of seasons when the guard situation was better.

IMO, no three ball shooting is by design because there isn't anyone who can shoot it with anything close to consistency. Maybe a fully healthy Burton will help change that? And again, if Horton can get back that could really help.

Defending the 3-ball remains problematic--But, since defense is teaching and effort, hopefully that can and should gets better over time.

Why is it that each year Capel seems to be searching for the best five to get the most minutes for multiple games into the season? IMHO, proven top coaches don't seem to be so late in figuring this out.

Santos showed promise. Peyton and Olidapo showed some promise also. But as said above--Capel is still experimenting way too much for already being 3 games in (not counting a secret scrimmage and an exhibition before the season) and IMHO it shouldn't be that way.
To be fair, I am sure he thought he knew who were the best five before Nike’s injury and Ithiel’s stupidity.
 
The hopes for Burton to add a lot are misplaced. He is a nice 3rd option on a good team but he is what he is. In 3 seasons he shoots 42% from the field and 32% from 3 and those #’s came with far better teammates or far better teams.

I’m honestly expecting us to get beat Friday after the second half last night. We attempted 1– 3 point shot the whole second half while UNCW was packing the lane. WTF.

Santos has a nice shot and he didn’t attempt a single three all night. How do you not get him some looks??
 
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I missed the first half also and what I saw in the second half was just awful . I’ll admit I’ve been a supporter of JC , but watching his team play last night all I could think of is that this is the worst Pitt team I can remember seeing . I’ve seen a lot of Pitt teams !

Nike’s done for the season so Horton is the only piece of the team he assembled that is missing , hopefully Burton can add something more than he did last night as he continues to recover . The question is , where will the massive improvement needed going to come from so that they won’t be regularly embarrassed in league play ?

In today’s game the way you can build a team doesn’t necessarily require you recruiting high school kids . Unless your recruiting high level high school recruits transfers are a far quicker way to rebuild your program. What Pitt has done so far in this area is to replace their better players who left with less skilled players ! Not sure how you can sell this program right now to kids who can turn it around without paying them handsomely .

I just can’t see how JC can save this season . He had some facial expressions last night of just total befuddlement of the ineptitude of his players decisions. I don’t think he has the answers and it’s becoming obvious he doesn’t have the horses .

I have made a complete 180 degree turn here , without his contract factoring into it there‘s no question what needs done .

Same here they need to cuts ties sooner than later.
 
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I loved the first half where we really just outscored an undermanned opponent the way we always used to. But then the second half it is clear the UNCW coach, who is waiting for his next job to move up, adjusted and we simply could not handle it. Then we also got tired and couldn’t handle the ball or do anything normal.

At this point, this is what has frustrated me with Capel’s teams. If you are not deeply talented you can get your guys to work their butts off and be in far, far better shape than the other team and collect the fruits of that labor. There are no longer any insiders on the team who can come on the Lair and tell us about practices, etc. But my guess is that practices do not emphasize much of anything because when have you actually seen a Pitt team improve in an aspect of a game from one game to the next?

SMF always ends up saying that his players don’t want to play for him and that is why they want to leave. But then you have Champ basically saying what a great guy and great coach he is. My suspicion at this point is that he knows how to coach true stud players. He just lets them be them. But he cannot coach anyone less and improve them. Trey, X, Audese…all left because they wanted to improve but Capel and his staff cannot get them there. I think this is also why Jeff seems to just focus on 4 and 5 star guys in recruiting because he also knows those are the players he can work with.

Nothing is going to change here and it is time we move on.
That's not why they all left. And In fact one of those players didn't really want to leave.
 
Defending the 3-ball remains problematic--But, since defense is teaching and effort, hopefully that can and should gets better over time.
If you’re not practicing against good 3 point shooters, it’s unlikely you’ll be a good 3 point defender. I wouldn’t expect that to improve.
 
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If you’re not practicing against good 3 point shooters, it’s unlikely you’ll be a good 3 point defender. I wouldn’t expect that to improve.
Do you think we practice shooting at all??


We have a shot at being the worst FT shooting team in the country.

Right now their are only 7 teams worse than us and we have the most attempts of them by far.

 
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** What’s tough for this Pitt fan, and I assume any Pitt fan, is how to view or frame a season such as this to gain any enjoyment at all.

** What is success? Is it improvement? Is it achieving somewhere above already low expectations? Is it watching a few of our better players mature and demonstrate real talent for the future?

** Unfortunately, in present day college basketball, it’s almost hard seeing good players on a bad team growing and achieving, knowing that they may just be auditioning for greener pastures.

** A wise Pitt Hoops fan once wrote on these message boards that the goal of any team should be to become the best team they can be. I’ve since then always subscribed to that mantra, even if it’s hard like it is with this squad to create a picture in one’s mind just what that would look like.

** I’m sure there are plenty of Pitt fans who would submit that success this year can actually be defined by the team grabbing the least possible level of success, thinking this will hasten the exit of the man in charge. While I can understand the logic in such a belief, I just can’t go into a season hoping for the Panthers to lose. At least not three games in.

** All of this to say that I’m glad the Panthers won tonight. But I can’t say that I really enjoyed it. Especially the second half.

** In his post game show, HC Jeff Capel said his team was going to need to have to win ugly this year. Well, if that’s the case, then mission accomplished I guess. However, I don’t think barely holding off a sub 250 Pomeroy ranked team is the kind of ugly is what any coach can be looking for.

** In fact, I don’t think this was winning ugly. It was more like winning ineptly, even there’s even such a thing.

** Perhaps that’s a little bit too harsh. There was some decent defense for many stretches during the game, particularly in the final minutes. And Big John was a rock on the glass. So was Will for stretches when he seemed to soar in for rebounds. Generally speaking, we kept dribblers in front of us, and communicated and switched, at least enough to get the job done even if this was a poor opponent.

** My concern with the defense though is that we don’t really look to force turnovers, nor push opponents to make mistakes. We are just playing straight up per se, and when your offense can’t score, eventually an opponent is going to catch up, even a bad one like the Seahawks.

** So of course, I could go on and on about our offensive ineptitude. There’s a long list of problems. At the top of the list, it’s not even just that we can’t shoot the ball from three. It’s that we don’t even shoot the ball from three.

** Watching the Panthers play offense made me wonder just want that game plan is. Maybe sometimes it’s to dump the ball to Big John and have him look for cutters. That worked a little in the first half, and John is a decent enough passer.

** But that was cut off in the second half after two quick buckets, and that left almost no way for the Panthers to score. Our last basket came at the 8:40 mark, and that was after a scramble following an offensive rebound. It was only one of 7 second half baskets. And not one of those was a jump shot. That’s kind of scary really.

** It also can’t be said that the Panthers passed up many jump shots. They really don’t get any.

** I’m wondering why just about every team in college basketball (or the pros, or even high school for that matter) can get the drive and pass for the open three corner fairly easily, but this does not even seem to be a strategy we employ.

** Knowing that we have one decent outside shooter in Nate Santos, who seems somewhat skilled at moving without the ball, why aren’t we running anything to get him shots? Nate didn’t get a single jump shot today.

** Regardless, whether it’s from poor design or poor execution, there isn’t a team above an eight grade level who can be the best team they can be when only shooting four three point shots in a game. It’s become far too an important part of the game.

** Going further, our guards and wings shot just two threes, while the other two were from our center, one of which was really ill advised.

** We know we just don’t have the skill to become anywhere close to being an even decent three point shooting team. But is 4-14 in a game too much to ask?

** Mr. Burton was a welcome addition to the fray today, and he played pretty well considering it was his first action. He seems like he has a head for the game, so hopefully he’ll work to improve this horrible deficit in the Panther offense.

** Three days from now, he’d better be because the way we played tonight on offense just might not be enough to garner a win against a like Towson who is at least a little better than UNCW.

** Through these words tonight, I can’t say I’ve come anywhere close to determining any worthwhile way to frame this season, let alone enjoy it. So I’ll settle for us getting a little better on Friday, watching a team that actually seems to have a better plan on offense.

** Even if we play with a better plan, there’s the huge question of whether or not we have anywhere near the skill to pull it off. But it would be a start.

Jeff Hathorn said UNCW has 10 new players. They were picked 9th in the 10 team CAA. A win is a win I guess but there was nothing to show that this team will be any better than the 2nd worst team in school history
 
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Do you think we practice shooting at all??


We have a shot at being the worst FT shooting team in the country.

Right now their are only 7 teams worse than us and we have the most attempts of them by far.

Or it could be its because Jason Capel is our shooting coach.
 
JC has been around bb and bb coaches all his life and thinking he doesn’t know how to coach is just baloney .

When your coaching highly skilled players it‘s amazing how much better a coach you become .

Think Femi isn‘t practicing 500 FTs a day or that his guards and wings are practicing shooting 3’s or practicing how to defend the 3 ? Think they don’t stress blocking out on D ? Think he wasn’t pulling his hair out last yr watching X forcing the action , not passing the ball and getting T’s ?

The bottom line is that where JC and his staff have failed is in bringing in talented enough kids to play winning bb at this level . Everyone on their roster is a great athlete , they’re tall , they’re quick , they can jump, and run the floor , but being a great athlete doesn’t necessarily make you a great bb player . Pitt doesn’t have enough great bb players that can play at this level and that’s the problem not X and O’s .
 
I'm enjoying Big John more than I thought I would at this point.
We are playing scrubs but he's just moving like a guy who is really going to be really good.
Its been awhile since I've seen prolific post play and it's nice. Just a shame we got so little around it.
I agree with you about John. What is surprising is that he is in pretty bad physical condition.
Capel mentioned that in the post game presser. Is this something the staff couldn’t see
this off season ?
 
JC has been around bb and bb coaches all his life and thinking he doesn’t know how to coach is just baloney .

When your coaching highly skilled players it‘s amazing how much better a coach you become .

Think Femi isn‘t practicing 500 FTs a day or that his guards and wings are practicing shooting 3’s or practicing how to defend the 3 ? Think they don’t stress blocking out on D ? Think he wasn’t pulling his hair out last yr watching X forcing the action , not passing the ball and getting T’s ?

The bottom line is that where JC and his staff have failed is in bringing in talented enough kids to play winning bb at this level . Everyone on their roster is a great athlete , they’re tall , they’re quick , they can jump, and run the floor , but being a great athlete doesn’t necessarily make you a great bb player . Pitt doesn’t have enough great bb players that can play at this level and that’s the problem not X and O’s .

here's the issue... last nights game was closer to a scrimmage than a real game in terms of environment. If Femi is clanging FT's because of the environment on the road and it being a close game, that's one thing. Still not great, but nerves play a role with kids. Missing this many FT's in front of 200 people in a scrimmage game environment is unacceptable. Just be half decent at shooting them. You don't need to be 85%.. but my goodness can you get to like 65%??? Below 50% two years in a row now!
 
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here's the issue... last nights game was closer to a scrimmage than a real game in terms of environment. If Femi is clanging FT's because of the environment on the road and it being a close game, that's one thing. Still not great, but nerves play a role with kids. Missing this many FT's in front of 200 people in a scrimmage game environment is unacceptable. Just be half decent at shooting them. You don't need to be 85%.. but my goodness can you get to like 65%??? Below 50% two years in a row now!
Ever play golf with a guy who can’t putt ? He could have the best putting instructors in the world and he still can’t putt . Telling someone how to do it and making him practice that skill for hrs doesn’t guarantee better results . Whose fault is it the coach or just a lack of skill of the player ?
 
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JC has been around bb and bb coaches all his life and thinking he doesn’t know how to coach is just baloney .

When your coaching highly skilled players it‘s amazing how much better a coach you become .

Think Femi isn‘t practicing 500 FTs a day or that his guards and wings are practicing shooting 3’s or practicing how to defend the 3 ? Think they don’t stress blocking out on D ? Think he wasn’t pulling his hair out last yr watching X forcing the action , not passing the ball and getting T’s ?

The bottom line is that where JC and his staff have failed is in bringing in talented enough kids to play winning bb at this level . Everyone on their roster is a great athlete , they’re tall , they’re quick , they can jump, and run the floor , but being a great athlete doesn’t necessarily make you a great bb player . Pitt doesn’t have enough great bb players that can play at this level and that’s the problem not X and O’s .
Agree 100%
 
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Ever play golf with a guy who can’t putt ? He could have the best putting instructors in the world and he still can’t putt . Telling someone how to do it and making him practice that skill for hrs doesn’t guarantee better results . Whose fault is it the coach or just a lack of skill of the player ?

free throws are like 5-6 footers in golf. If you don't practice them, you get a little nervous over them. If you practice them every day, muscle memory kicks in.

If I rolled a couple hundred 6 footers every single day, I'd be a much better putter. I'm actually doing that every day at home rn lol.. too many 3 putts this past year! lag putting was bad too.. but I bet rolling the ball every day will help me tremendously with my feel.

Femi is up there clanging these free throws. some look like he has zero feel at all.
 
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Ever play golf with a guy who can’t putt ? He could have the best putting instructors in the world and he still can’t putt . Telling someone how to do it and making him practice that skill for hrs doesn’t guarantee better results . Whose fault is it the coach or just a lack of skill of the player ?
But you aren’t bringing in guys to your golf team that can’t putt. You are bringing in good golfers. So instruction does improve people.
 
free throws are like 5-6 footers in golf. If you don't practice them, you get a little nervous over them. If you practice them every day, muscle memory kicks in.

If I rolled a couple hundred 6 footers every single day, I'd be a much better putter. I'm actually doing that every day at home rn lol.. too many 3 putts this past year! lag putting was bad too.. but I bet rolling the ball every day will help me tremendously with my feel.

Femi is up there clanging these free throws. some look like he has zero feel at all.
Some people improve with practice unfortunately some don’t.
 
Some people improve with practice unfortunately some don’t.

I'm asking him to go from 50% to 65%... that type of progression can be done simply with shooting more.

going from 65%-80% is a lot harder. that's where skill level comes into play, but if you're a high level basketball player, especially a guard, you absolutely cannot be worse than 65% from the line. He's less than 50%. There were people in the stands last night that could've gone onto that court in that situation and shot better from the line than he did. I have no doubt about that.
 
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DT, I heartily commend you for just having the energy or will to write any dribbles for this edition of the Pitt basketball team. Here's how I look at last night's win. It's kind of like when you're watching your favorite baseball team go up against an elite pitcher and you're just happy they got a hit to avoid a no-no. At least we aren't going to go 0 for the season.
 
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