Will college football even be played? Not looking good

[Pitt3Putt]

Florida has rolled some stiff back too. I believe they’ve banned alcohol sales and have reduced capacity to 50%. Not certain on that but so much going on I’m not sure if I got them confused with TX. But they did do something.

Yeah I'm not sure. I live in Dallas so am more familiar with all of the shenanigans and head-burying that's gone on here for the past couple months.

Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin wanted to implement stricter measures for months but kept being superseded by the governor and now he's stuck needing to walk back the reopening.

If nothing else, COVID has reinforced that you should never underestimate American greed, selfishness, and stupidity.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Yeah I'm not sure. I live in Dallas so am more familiar with all of the shenanigans and head-burying that's gone on here for the past couple months.

Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin wanted to implement stricter measures for months but kept being superseded by the governor and now he's stuck needing to walk back the reopening.

If nothing else, COVID has reinforced that you should never underestimate American greed, selfishness, and stupidity.

Yea I’m not an expert. I get that we don’t wanna put people out of jobs. When the lines for food were on tv weeks ago I literally got sick to my stomach. I know there are costs to that in lives. But left unchecked that’s gonna bomb the economy too. And people who aren’t getting treated for things - that’s gonna be bad down the road as well. Cancer deaths are predicted to spike because people are fearful and putting things off that might be caught earlier. I don’t know what or where it is but we have to find and be able to maintain some kind of balance.

 

[Pitt3Putt]

Yea I’m not an expert. I get that we don’t wanna put people out of jobs. When the lines for food were on tv weeks ago I literally got sick to my stomach. I know there are costs to that in lives. But left unchecked that’s gonna bomb the economy too. And people who aren’t getting treated for things - that’s gonna be bad down the road as well. Cancer deaths are predicted to spike because people are fearful and putting things off that might be caught earlier. I don’t know what or where it is but we have to find and be able to maintain some kind of balance.

Yeah I'd mentioned this elsewhere, but reopening early does nothing positive.

There was strong economic data that the economy was shutting itself down even before the government orders, and that's going to happen again.

All you're doing by reopening before cases and r-values are at a sufficiently low number is increasing your death totals in order to have a limping economy. Shutting down like Europe would have allowed us to open up a bit more seamlessly.

Texas is already seeing a decline in hours for hourly workers and dinner reservations are tanking once again, and this is before the pauses/rollbacks yesterday and today. Just another example of people shutting things down themselves:

 

[pitt90seven]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...ng-as-predictor-of-virus-s-spread/ar-BB15YoRl

interesting study. basically, we should not be eating inside restaurants. not 50%, or 75%. don't do it.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...ng-as-predictor-of-virus-s-spread/ar-BB15YoRl

interesting study. basically, we should not be eating inside restaurants. not 50%, or 75%. don't do it.

Without even reading that - that’s been my rule. Nothing indoors. I’ve been lucky enough to get groceries (and beer) curbside. No bars, no restaurants. My buzz cuts haven’t been a disaster but I could use a good haircut. But I’ll wait. If I have a medical issue or some real NEED I’ll do what I have to do. But otherwise I’m not going indoors anywhere.

 

[pittdan77]

He knows 5% isn't the real #. No epidemiologist believes this is the actual fatality rate. The CDC just put out yesterday the best estimate is for every positive covid case there are 10x more through covid and antibody testing. I've seen some reports who think that # could be 15-20x higher. Right now the 10x # is a safe bet.

I was using the published data. If you don't think the number of attributed deaths won't go up proportionally when the dust settles, you're kidding yourself. There's plenty of evidence that it will.

Edit: There's a really wild emphasis put on death. Dying is bad but so is getting really sick for an extended period of time. That puts a ton of stress on your employer, your family, and your finances. For the "we need to save the economy" crowd, it's surprising this gets lost of them.

 

[pittdan77]

they would start training in around 6 weeks. unless a miracle happens b/w then and now, it's not going to go as normal.

But in terms of 2020, that's a long time. Nothing is static.

 

[Pitt3Putt]

But in terms of 2020, that's a long time. Nothing is static.

That’s true, but also what is happening today with reinstating precautions won’t be reflected until 2-3 weeks from now. So in reality we have like 3-4 weeks to get things back to a “normal” place by 6 weeks from now.

That’s, of course, assuming that we’re going to attempt to feign normalcy. In reality I think we’ll make all sports forge ahead so they get their TV money.

My guess is that in 2-3 weeks when things look really bad in terms of both cases and deaths, there’s going to be some people talking about how 2-3K Americans dying every day is worth it for a crap economy and sports.

 

[pitt90seven]

But in terms of 2020, that's a long time. Nothing is static.

no offense but i have no idea what this means. cases have a very real and understandable pattern.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

no offense but i have no idea what this means. cases have a very real and understandable pattern.

Goes cases , then hospitalizations, then mortality

nature is pretty undefeated record in that pattern globally

 

[Pitt1975]

As you guys have probably noticed, I live in Hilton Head. Retired last January, moved here from Greensburg, and was loving life. We ate out 10-15 times a month. Guessing my average bill was $75.00 with vino and tip. We haven’t eaten out since March 15. Take that number and multiply it by whatever number you think. That’s a lot of lost revenue. But right now, there is over an hour wait to get into most places........crazy.......

 

[9nationalchampionships]

You fellows act like ole Joey would be better in a crisis. He can’t even get out of his basement. Let that sink in.

 

[Pitt3Putt]

You fellows act like ole Joey would be better in a crisis. He can’t even get out of his basement. Let that sink in.

I can’t believe you don’t realize that doing that would be so, so much better at this point.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

I was using the published data. If you don't think the number of attributed deaths won't go up proportionally when the dust settles, you're kidding yourself. There's plenty of evidence that it will.

Edit: There's a really wild emphasis put on death. Dying is bad but so is getting really sick for an extended period of time. That puts a ton of stress on your employer, your family, and your finances. For the "we need to save the economy" crowd, it's surprising this gets lost of them.

Do you think IFR is going to rise?

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

You fellows act like ole Joey would be better in a crisis. He can’t even get out of his basement. Let that sink in.

A ham sandwich is an improvement

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Joey is lower than a ham sandwich so yes I get your reference.

A ham sandwich is an improvement

 

[Franb]

Florida has rolled some stiff back too. I believe they’ve banned alcohol sales and have reduced capacity to 50%. Not certain on that but so much going on I’m not sure if I got them confused with TX. But they did do something.

I believe the governor is requiring all alligators to wear masks.

 

[Franb]

Joey is lower than a ham sandwich so yes I get your reference.

Say what you want about Joe Biden, but he is not going around the country holding large indoor events, thereby putting thousands of people - including Secret Service agents - in jeopardy of spreading or contacting Covid-19. And he is not suggesting that we slow down testing so the numbers look better. In other words, he is not putting peoples' lives at risk for his own political benefit.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

In other words, he is not putting peoples' lives at risk for his own political benefit.

No, he is only the guy who when this all started said that the only possible reason that anyone could have for restricting people from China traveling to the United States was xenophobia or racism.

 

[Pitt3Putt]

No, he is only the guy who when this all started said that the only possible reason that anyone could have for restricting people from China traveling to the United States was xenophobia or racism.

To be fair, there was no reason to single out China when it had obviously spread everywhere by then. It’s just easier politically to ban Asians than Europeans.

 

[thom67]

No, he is only the guy who when this all started said that the only possible reason that anyone could have for restricting people from China traveling to the United States was xenophobia or racism.

He did not say that. Fox News said he did, but false as usual.
His response was regarding other countries that were included in the ban.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

He did not say that. Fox News said he did, but false as usual.
His response was regarding other countries that were included in the ban.

On Jan. 31, President Trump issued the travel restrictions from China. One day after the travel restrictions were put into place, Biden said in Iowa, “We have, right now, a crisis with the coronavirus… This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia – hysterical xenophobia – and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.”

Biden added, repeating a line from his USA Today oped: “Diseases have no borders, they have no borders.”

You can interpret what he said however you want, but what he actually said is pretty clear. If he agreed with the policy then why would he call it "hysterical xenophobia"? And in fact it's obvious that he didn't agree with travel bans, because a couple weeks after that, when they were talking about a travel ban for people from Europe when the virus started running rampant in Italy and Spain and Belgium, Biden then said "A wall will not stop the coronavirus. Banning all travel from Europe — or any other part of the world — will not stop it."

So you have three choices. You either think that he was against travel bans because, you know, that's what he actually said. Or you could, I suppose, think that he's as dumb as a rock and doesn't know what he thinks. Or there is a third choice, that he was going to say the opposite of Trump no matter what Trump said, because Trump was the one to say it.

And of course the worst part of the whole thing is that Trump actually waited TOO LONG to ban travel from China and Italy and Spain and lots of other places. That's what he deserves criticism for, not for banning the travel in the first place.

 

[Pitt3Putt]

On Jan. 31, President Trump issued the travel restrictions from China. One day after the travel restrictions were put into place, Biden said in Iowa, “We have, right now, a crisis with the coronavirus… This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia – hysterical xenophobia – and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.”

Biden added, repeating a line from his USA Today oped: “Diseases have no borders, they have no borders.”

You can interpret what he said however you want, but what he actually said is pretty clear. If he agreed with the policy then why would he call it "hysterical xenophobia"? And in fact it's obvious that he didn't agree with travel bans, because a couple weeks after that, when they were talking about a travel ban for people from Europe when the virus started running rampant in Italy and Spain and Belgium, Biden then said "A wall will not stop the coronavirus. Banning all travel from Europe — or any other part of the world — will not stop it."

So you have three choices. You either think that he was against travel bans because, you know, that's what he actually said. Or you could, I suppose, think that he's as dumb as a rock and doesn't know what he thinks. Or there is a third choice, that he was going to say the opposite of Trump no matter what Trump said, because Trump was the one to say it.

And of course the worst part of the whole thing is that Trump actually waited TOO LONG to ban travel from China and Italy and Spain and lots of other places. That's what he deserves criticism for, not for banning the travel in the first place.

Yes, banning travel from only one country way too late is why we’re behind everybody except Brazil on this. It’s the only thing we should criticize because it’s the only cause of this.

 

[Franb]

On Jan. 31, President Trump issued the travel restrictions from China. One day after the travel restrictions were put into place, Biden said in Iowa, “We have, right now, a crisis with the coronavirus… This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia – hysterical xenophobia – and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.”

Biden added, repeating a line from his USA Today oped: “Diseases have no borders, they have no borders.”

You can interpret what he said however you want, but what he actually said is pretty clear. If he agreed with the policy then why would he call it "hysterical xenophobia"? And in fact it's obvious that he didn't agree with travel bans, because a couple weeks after that, when they were talking about a travel ban for people from Europe when the virus started running rampant in Italy and Spain and Belgium, Biden then said "A wall will not stop the coronavirus. Banning all travel from Europe — or any other part of the world — will not stop it."

So you have three choices. You either think that he was against travel bans because, you know, that's what he actually said. Or you could, I suppose, think that he's as dumb as a rock and doesn't know what he thinks. Or there is a third choice, that he was going to say the opposite of Trump no matter what Trump said, because Trump was the one to say it.

And of course the worst part of the whole thing is that Trump actually waited TOO LONG to ban travel from China and Italy and Spain and lots of other places. That's what he deserves criticism for, not for banning the travel in the first place.

This is from Biden's statement on Feb. 1: "Yesterday, Donald Trump further diminished the United States in the eyes of the world by expanding his travel ban, placing new restrictions on the residents of six more nations that limit who is allowed to come to the United States."

In this statement, and you may be referring to another, but this is what I found from Feb1, he is talking about a ban on travel to the US from 6 African nations, related to immigration, not related to the virus.

I think that we can all acknowledge that there were plenty of statements made at that time which appear foolish now, based on what we have learned about the virus.

The critical issue to me is that President Trump is making decisions today as if he has learned nothing about the virus - hence his plans for rallies and talk about slowing testing. The administration is still acting and talking like they have done a great job. Meanwhile, new cases are at their highest daily level since this began.

 

[pbrad]

Biden just said 150 million people have died from the virus. The choice is a nut or a person with dementia.

 

[Las Panteras]

More than one medical expert predicted weeks ago that the wave would soon leave NYC and reach other regions of our nation. In particular, Houston was mentioned as a dangerous hot spot.

I would like to think that prediction is what we are seeing today, as the "wave" will soon crest and recede.

If so, I think football is still a possibility.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Biden just said 150 million people have died from the virus. The choice is a nut or a person with dementia.

He says things wrong often
But of course let’s focus on him saying millions instead of thousands and ignore that pence refocusssd the mortality will approach 240k this year .

 

[pittdan77]

Do you think IFR is going to rise?

No. It should go down. I just got done telling the guy above that we could find better treatments soon. We have three months worth of data and the mortality rate lags by several weeks. We won’t know what the newest wave looks like for a while. I hope you’re right.

The fact that the most vulnerable people ARE taking every precaution seems to elude the “no big deal” crowd. “It’s no worse than the flu....it will go away once it gets hot....You’re fine if you’re healthy....” Tried them all. Now we’re attacking masks? Saw someone claiming it’s a government psyop to control people. That’s cute. Virus keeps on rolling.

 

[pittdan77]

no offense but i have no idea what this means. cases have a very real and understandable pattern.

It’s just a play on this goofy year. I understand the math but you also have to give real science some time and some credit.

 

[Las Panteras]

He says things wrong often
But of course let’s focus on him saying millions instead of thousands and ignore that pence refocusssd the mortality will approach 240k this year .

Well.......

The polls say he is up big. And since I believe the polls will be more accurate this time around it stands he is our 46th president.

So yea, the leader of the free world suffering from dementia is not a good look.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Well.......

The polls say he is up big. And since I believe the polls will be more accurate this time around it stands he is our 46th president.

So yea, the leader of the free world suffering from dementia is not a good look.

Concluding dementia from saying weird things is interesting - certainly hope you hold a consistent standard for the current inhabitant .
During his next 15 minutes rant about how a 3% degree ramp was so treacherous- or has trouble with holding a glass because his arm was tired .

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Yes, banning travel from only one country way too late is why we’re behind everybody except Brazil on this. It’s the only thing we should criticize because it’s the only cause of this.

I've got to hand it to you, you really lined that strawman up and let him have it. Congratulations.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I think that we can all acknowledge that there were plenty of statements made at that time which appear foolish now, based on what we have learned about the virus.

The critical issue to me is that President Trump is making decisions today as if he has learned nothing about the virus - hence his plans for rallies and talk about slowing testing. The administration is still acting and talking like they have done a great job. Meanwhile, new cases are at their highest daily level since this began.

I agree 100%. Lots of people have said foolish things since this all started. The President has done a poor job overall in handling this. That's what happens when your leader cares not more about himself than everyone else, but ONLY about himself and not anyone else.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Concluding dementia from saying weird things is interesting - certainly hope you hold a consistent standard for the current inhabitant .

The sad thing is that I think there is a very good chance that whichever of these guys we elect in November will either not finish their term or be clearly in decline mentally by the time their term ends.

One of the perils of running people who are as old as these two are for a job that requires something more than what most people of that age can give.

 

[Las Panteras]

Concluding dementia from saying weird things is interesting - certainly hope you hold a consistent standard for the current inhabitant .
During his next 15 minutes rant about how a 3% degree ramp was so treacherous- or has trouble with holding a glass because his arm was tired .

And right on que, a typical lib response...blame the guy in office.

You apparently did not comprehend. Biden as the leader of the free world really has no longer anything to do with Trump.

Should biden win, and I think he will, his health is an issue.

But libs steadfastly refuse to concede what is crystal clear, and instead go after the guy that won't be relevant at this time next year.

Bidens health is an issue.

The end.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

And right on que, a typical lib response...blame the guy in office.

You apparently did not comprehend. Biden as the leader of the free world really has no longer anything to do with Trump.

Should biden win, and I think he will, his health is an issue.

But libs steadfastly refuse to concede what is crystal clear, and instead go after the guy that won't be relevant at this time next year.

Bidens health is an issue.

The end.

Well just because you think Biden will win doesn’t mean he will. I happen to agree but because one of the 2 will be elected the health of both matters.

And I don’t know Joe - or anyone here. But I’d have never called Joe a lib. I’ll be interested to see how he responds to that.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

And I don’t know Joe - or anyone here. But I’d have never called Joe a lib. I’ll be interested to see how he responds to that.

I'm certainly not a liberal. If it matters, I'm a registered Republican, albeit one who did not vote for Trump last time and can't imagine voting for him this time either (full disclosure, I also did not vote for Clinton last time and I won't be voting for Biden this time either).

Having said that, if someone cannot bring themselves to admit that the current administration has made mistakes during this crisis then they are simply beyond hope.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

I'm certainly not a liberal. If it matters, I'm a registered Republican, albeit one who did not vote for Trump last time and can't imagine voting for him this time either (full disclosure, I also did not vote for Clinton last time and I won't be voting for Biden this time either).

Having said that, if someone cannot bring themselves to admit that the current administration has made mistakes during this crisis then they are simply beyond hope.

I get it. I was almost there myself in ‘16. I was considering a 3rd party vote myself. I wasn’t thrilled (understatement) with either. But the thought of Trump made my stomach turn so I held my nose and voted for Clinton.

One of the 2 will be president (thanks Mr Obvious) unless Mother Nature says otherwise. Safe to assume you view Biden and Trump as equally bad even though it’s likely for very different reasons?

Just genuine curiosity and you’re of course under no obligation to respond.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

One of the 2 will be president (thanks Mr Obvious) unless Mother Nature says otherwise. Safe to assume you view Biden and Trump as equally bad even though it’s likely for very different reasons?

I don't know if I would say equally bad, but bad for entirely different reasons. It would take more thought than I'm willing to spend to get to which I think is actually worse ( ).

This is the second cycle in a row when I have been extremely disappointed in the people who ended up being "serious" contenders for the nomination from both parties. Trump. Clinton. Biden. Sanders. Ted Cruz. And so on.

I said during the last cycle when we were down to a "final four", Trump, Cruz, Clinton, Sanders, that I wouldn't vote for any of the four for dog catcher, out of fear they'd give the dogs fleas, let alone President. I honestly can't remember at this point if I voted for the Libertarians (Johnson and Weld, who I also wasn't really enamored with) or if I wrote in my son, as I tend to do when I don't like the choices the parties present.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

I don't know if I would say equally bad, but bad for entirely different reasons. It would take more thought than I'm willing to spend to get to which I think is actually worse ( ).

This is the second cycle in a row when I have been extremely disappointed in the people who ended up being "serious" contenders for the nomination from both parties. Trump. Clinton. Biden. Sanders. Ted Cruz. And so on.

I said during the last cycle when we were down to a "final four", Trump, Cruz, Clinton, Sanders, that I wouldn't vote for any of the four for dog catcher, out of fear they'd give the dogs fleas, let alone President. I honestly can't remember at this point if I voted for the Libertarians (Johnson and Weld, who I also wasn't really enamored with) or if I wrote in my son, as I tend to do when I don't like the choices the parties present.

I hear you. And like you my disappointment went well beyond the final 2. I hate that the term lesser of 2 evils is so prominent in elections but that’s where I’m at. But again I get what you’re saying.