Jeanette Jayhawks football participation an issue

[Saboteur II]

You folks will see the article soon enough, not that it should surprise anyone.
The numbers for football at that esteemed school are in peril.
HINT: They won’t improve over the long haul.
This means that forfeits, season cancellations and injuries (too many kids spending too much time on the field) are going to get worse.
I am not one of those people who thinks that transferring for athletic intent is wrong. To the contrary, a find a bunch of adults controlling where kids can play to be the epitome of hypocrisy.
A lot of you disagree. Fine by me.
But what do you actually do if by game 3, for instance the Jayhawks can’t field a team? Injuries, guys quitting, coaches leaving...
The guys who transferred to Gateway. Is it fair to tell them they can’t play when maybe they looked at and said “we’re going to get hurt”.
The light at the end of the high school sports tunnel is getting closer and judging by the sound inside the tunnel, the vehicle on the track uses diesel and is getting faster.
7 man football?
Play where you want.
Do what some guy who never played, you’ll never meet and doesn’t care what do you in life says you should do?

 

[steelcurtain55.]

I heard about this several weeks ago. Such a shame. Roy Hall is a good dude.

GCC is smiling right now..

 

[Saboteur II]

I heard about this several weeks ago. Such a shame. Roy Hall is a good dude.

GCC is smiling right now..

GCC is hanging by a thread too. Cornell sometimes has a team, sometimes doesn’t.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Sounds like Clairton, who keeps going. The exodus of that many is odd though.

 

[PharMorNightStocker]

It's hilarious that Jeanette even has a school district. It's a tiny dot surrounded by multiple much, much larger districts.

 

[pittdan77]

It's hilarious that Jeanette even has a school district. It's a tiny dot surrounded by multiple much, much larger districts.

Lots of talk of Monessen merging with Belle Vernon eventually. No idea if any of it is true. It makes some sense for these smaller schools to merge.

 

[Saboteur II]

Lots of talk of Monessen merging with Belle Vernon eventually. No idea if any of it is true. It makes some sense for these smaller schools to merge.

Ask the folks in Montour if they want Sto Rox or Moon if they want Cornell.
It is a tough battle to get school districts to merge. Unless you have a court order. But even that is tough.

 

[buckage]

You folks will see the article soon enough, not that it should surprise anyone.
The numbers for football at that esteemed school are in peril.
HINT: They won’t improve over the long haul.
This means that forfeits, season cancellations and injuries (too many kids spending too much time on the field) are going to get worse.
I am not one of those people who thinks that transferring for athletic intent is wrong. To the contrary, a find a bunch of adults controlling where kids can play to be the epitome of hypocrisy.
A lot of you disagree. Fine by me.
But what do you actually do if by game 3, for instance the Jayhawks can’t field a team? Injuries, guys quitting, coaches leaving...
The guys who transferred to Gateway. Is it fair to tell them they can’t play when maybe they looked at and said “we’re going to get hurt”.
The light at the end of the high school sports tunnel is getting closer and judging by the sound inside the tunnel, the vehicle on the track uses diesel and is getting faster.
7 man football?
Play where you want.
Do what some guy who never played, you’ll never meet and doesn’t care what do you in life says you should do?

Or maybe if Gateway/GCC didn't poach players depth wouldn't be an issue.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Yeah, forget it.
You think Belle Vernon wants Monesson?
TJ wants Clairton?
And its not like Clairton begging to either, more the opposite.

 

[Mikefln]

Yeah, forget it.
You think Belle Vernon wants Monesson?
TJ wants Clairton?
And its not like Clairton begging to either, more the opposite.

The reverse is true too, and that is the part no one talks about. Monessen doesn't want to merge with BV, Clairton doesn't want to merge with TJ, Sto Rox doesn't want to merge with Montour.

 

[wbrpanther]

You folks will see the article soon enough, not that it should surprise anyone.
The numbers for football at that esteemed school are in peril.
HINT: They won’t improve over the long haul.
This means that forfeits, season cancellations and injuries (too many kids spending too much time on the field) are going to get worse.
I am not one of those people who thinks that transferring for athletic intent is wrong. To the contrary, a find a bunch of adults controlling where kids can play to be the epitome of hypocrisy.
A lot of you disagree. Fine by me.
But what do you actually do if by game 3, for instance the Jayhawks can’t field a team? Injuries, guys quitting, coaches leaving...
The guys who transferred to Gateway. Is it fair to tell them they can’t play when maybe they looked at and said “we’re going to get hurt”.
The light at the end of the high school sports tunnel is getting closer and judging by the sound inside the tunnel, the vehicle on the track uses diesel and is getting faster.
7 man football?
Play where you want.
Do what some guy who never played, you’ll never meet and doesn’t care what do you in life says you should do?

Question. Is their student population exceedingly low or just their football population?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

You folks will see the article soon enough, not that it should surprise anyone.
The numbers for football at that esteemed school are in peril.
HINT: They won’t improve over the long haul.
This means that forfeits, season cancellations and injuries (too many kids spending too much time on the field) are going to get worse.
I am not one of those people who thinks that transferring for athletic intent is wrong. To the contrary, a find a bunch of adults controlling where kids can play to be the epitome of hypocrisy.
A lot of you disagree. Fine by me.
But what do you actually do if by game 3, for instance the Jayhawks can’t field a team? Injuries, guys quitting, coaches leaving...
The guys who transferred to Gateway. Is it fair to tell them they can’t play when maybe they looked at and said “we’re going to get hurt”.
The light at the end of the high school sports tunnel is getting closer and judging by the sound inside the tunnel, the vehicle on the track uses diesel and is getting faster.
7 man football?
Play where you want.
Do what some guy who never played, you’ll never meet and doesn’t care what do you in life says you should do?

Again, these schools are too freaking small. Mergers are needed.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The reverse is true too, and that is the part no one talks about. Monessen doesn't want to merge with BV, Clairton doesn't want to merge with TJ, Sto Rox doesn't want to merge with Montour.

Honestly, Monessen, California, Charleroi, Bentworth, and maybe even Beth-Center should merge. They'd probably be 5A school and those students would have more classes, clubs, and opportunities.

 

[Upg bobcat]

Question. Is their student population exceedingly low or just their football population?

I think I read that the graduating class at Jeannette last year was 49 students.

 

[Burgh15]

Question. Is their student population exceedingly low or just their football population?

Here's the article: https://tribhssn.triblive.com/low-n...-jeannette-football-coach-hall-not-giving-up/

29 kids from official sign ups
46 seniors graduated in 2020 -- so maybe 200 total students in the high school?

 

[Dan1911]

That’s what happens when you have a new school district every 10 miles or so. In states where districts are run by counties, this doesn’t happen. All these little fiefdoms are the problem.

 

[wbrpanther]

Here's the article: https://tribhssn.triblive.com/low-n...-jeannette-football-coach-hall-not-giving-up/

29 kids from official sign ups
46 seniors graduated in 2020 -- so maybe 200 total students in the high sch

Here's the article: https://tribhssn.triblive.com/low-n...-jeannette-football-coach-hall-not-giving-up/

29 kids from official sign ups
46 seniors graduated in 2020 -- so maybe 200 total students in the high school?

My district {Windber} went thru something similar a few years back. They only has 22 senior boys in the class. We muddled thru and now our numbers have improved. And the elementary number are climbing too. What are the individual class numbers going forward?

 

[Saboteur II]

My district {Windber} went thru something similar a few years back. They only has 22 senior boys in the class. We muddled thru and now our numbers have improved. And the elementary number are climbing too. What are the individual class numbers going forward?

I don’t see that happening in Jeannette.

 

[Saboteur II]

Or maybe if Gateway/GCC didn't poach players depth wouldn't be an issue.

Or maybe people are choosing to not live there if they don’t have to.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

You folks will see the article soon enough, not that it should surprise anyone.
The numbers for football at that esteemed school are in peril.
HINT: They won’t improve over the long haul.
This means that forfeits, season cancellations and injuries (too many kids spending too much time on the field) are going to get worse.
I am not one of those people who thinks that transferring for athletic intent is wrong. To the contrary, a find a bunch of adults controlling where kids can play to be the epitome of hypocrisy.
A lot of you disagree. Fine by me.
But what do you actually do if by game 3, for instance the Jayhawks can’t field a team? Injuries, guys quitting, coaches leaving...
The guys who transferred to Gateway. Is it fair to tell them they can’t play when maybe they looked at and said “we’re going to get hurt”.
The light at the end of the high school sports tunnel is getting closer and judging by the sound inside the tunnel, the vehicle on the track uses diesel and is getting faster.
7 man football?
Play where you want.
Do what some guy who never played, you’ll never meet and doesn’t care what do you in life says you should do?

These small schools are going to have to CO-OP like they do in the rural areas I am afraid. And yes, I agree, if parents are willing to move their kids to better improve their athletic chances to get a scholarship, I don't think it is anything that some committee of overwrought adults should be allowed to mettle in.

 

[h2p_5150]

What is the solution? Setting aside the "just merge districts" solution that would face a millions obstacles, do these small schools just start playing 7 on 7? Do nearby districts band together to field one team? Separate schools, but one football team.

 

[Saboteur II]

What is the solution? Setting aside the "just merge districts" solution that would face a millions obstacles, do these small schools just start playing 7 on 7? Do nearby districts band together to field one team? Separate schools, but one football team.

I like 7 on 7 leagues.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Ask the folks in Montour if they want Sto Rox or Moon if they want Cornell.
It is a tough battle to get school districts to merge. Unless you have a court order. But even that is tough.

It's going to be tough. Rumors for years that Crafton and Roslyn Farms would go to Montour when (seems inevitable) Carlynton is eventually split up or merged. Makes sense given the tax bases. But would Montour even open that can of worms if it means they have to entertain taking StoRox? Probably not.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

It's hilarious that Jeanette even has a school district. It's a tiny dot surrounded by multiple much, much larger districts.

Well, it is now. But years ago Jeannette was larger than Penn Trafford. And then Jeannette lost half it's population while places like Penn Trafford got a lot bigger.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

The reverse is true too, and that is the part no one talks about. Monessen doesn't want to merge with BV, Clairton doesn't want to merge with TJ, Sto Rox doesn't want to merge with Montour.

Way back when I was a grade schooler in Duquesne, the state wanted to merge Duquesne with West Mifflin. Duquesne fought it all the way to the State Supreme Court. They "won" . . . but in the long run they lost.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Way back when I was a grade schooler in Duquesne, the state wanted to merge Duquesne with West Mifflin. Duquesne fought it all the way to the State Supreme Court. They "won" . . . but in the long run they lost.

Especially since high school students in the Duquesne school district go to West Mifflin or East Allegheny now anyway.

Just a lot of wasted time, effort and money to get to just about the same place.

 

[yourhired]

As a GCC alum I am sorry to hear Jeannette has such a great history in football it would be ashamed if they didn't have enough kids. Maybe they can let those who want to play at Hempfield.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

As a GCC alum I am sorry to hear Jeannette has such a great history in football it would be ashamed if they didn't have enough kids. Maybe they can let those who want to play at Hempfield.

The fact is, school districts like Jeannette need not exist anymore. I mean European countries divide up and change, I am sure a friggin school district can. do this.

 

[pittdan77]

Ask the folks in Montour if they want Sto Rox or Moon if they want Cornell.
It is a tough battle to get school districts to merge. Unless you have a court order. But even that is tough.

Why wouldn’t they want kids from a smaller district?

 

[steelcurtain55.]

Lots of talk of Monessen merging with Belle Vernon eventually. No idea if any of it is true. It makes some sense for these smaller schools to merge.

I know someone who was at Charleroi who petitioned to have Monessen co-op with them. Charleroi's board wouldn't even discuss it publicly.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

GCC is hanging by a thread too. Cornell sometimes has a team, sometimes doesn’t.

GCC had 33 players last year on the squad. In 2019, they had 39 players. That is a very healthy # for class A ball. They are doing a phenomenal job lately pulling kids in from Jeanette, Greensburg Salem, Monessen, etc...

I agree with Cornell.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

I like 7 on 7 leagues.

These AAU type teams aren't going to be very happy if the PIAA adopts the same rules that Texas has had in recent years. Texas 7 on 7 is governed by Texas High School Coaches. You can't play on select teams. Texas' system isn't perfect but has remedied many issues that we see in PA and other states. It has cut down on recruiting tremendously. And, if people bitch that PA kids need some type of AAU style of 7 on 7 to be better prepared for HS ball, I ask them is PA ball better than Texas?

I too like 7 on 7 leagues "IF" they're based by High School and not some "select" AAU type.

 

[NCPitt]

What is the solution? Setting aside the "just merge districts" solution that would face a millions obstacles, do these small schools just start playing 7 on 7? Do nearby districts band together to field one team? Separate schools, but one football team.

Separate schools but a merged football team is exactly what happened at Clarion and Clarion-Limestone.

 

[Saboteur II]

Why wouldn’t they want kids from a smaller district?

It’s socio economic.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

SWPA has fought school mergers for decades! Time to think logical and with financial insight with regards to school districts.

 

[Pantherguy4]

Way back when I was a grade schooler in Duquesne, the state wanted to merge Duquesne with West Mifflin. Duquesne fought it all the way to the State Supreme Court. They "won" . . . but in the long run they lost.

This is true.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

It’s socio economic.

That's one term

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

That's one term

Lol. Probably the nicest way to say what it really is

 

[Macchiato]

A Clairton/TJ merger would be a football powerhouse

 

[pittdan77]

I know someone who was at Charleroi who petitioned to have Monessen co-op with them. Charleroi's board wouldn't even discuss it publicly.

Old rivalry's die hard. I remember my dad taking me to the Charleroi/Monnesen game when I was a kid. Packed stadium. Lots of animosity. Would make sense for both but Monnessen has bigger problems. Eroding tax base is most of it. In recent years, kids have moved into the apartments that are on the BV side of the line to play football anyway.