Dont forget Mason Cole as well and Chucks Oleytafor before Jones took over.
Kenny Impressing Early In Philly!
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Kenny is not the only one with nightmares regarding Dan "No" Moore.
Imagine that. A team that had invested that much in a QB eating his mega contract and cutting him. But Im sure hell be great with muh stillers. Too bad Canada still isnt around hed fit in great with his Friday night dink and duck offense with the occasional hail mary to GP
Trying to decide which response I should go with if I want to tango with that. I'm stuck between:
1) And yet, an NFL playoff franchise - both players and management alike - chose this supposedly awful quarterback over Kenny Pickett, or...
2) I'll anxiously await the NFL playoff team that signs Kenny Pickett to be their starter when he is 35 years old.
Either way, I could care less about Russell Wilson or defending him. He might absolutely suck, and I would never claim otherwise. The people who are ripping apart are merely showing their biased motives.
I think it was a mistake giving up on Kenny so soon. I hope he proves me right !
I'd have rolled with him for another year under a new OC, personally. But he was consistently missing plays that were there in spite of Canada. But, again, I'd have given him another season.
Doesn’t matter if 10 teams want him. Denver is on the hook for his entire salary minus whatever another team signs him for. So giving more than the veteran minimum is not going to get Wilson an extra dime. He can’t get any more than what Denver already owes him.
Comes down to this simply - wherever Wilson wants to go if there were multiple offers. To repeat to give any more than the vet minimum is incredibly dumb.
I wouldn't use this NFL playoff losing franchise a barometer for evaluating players let alone the QB position.
What about the teams that gave him something much lower than a 1st round grade and passed on him in the draft? What about the teams that need a starting QB and opted not to meet the very low trade demands to acquire him? What about the teammates who were trying to actively entice other QBs to come here? As some point, Pitt fans are just going to have to come to terms with the reality of all this.
Very vanilla defenses, and wouldn't be surprised looking back if a lot of those games starters weren't playing much if at all. Clearly difficult to accurately weigh preseason results because of so many variables.
I chuckle with that type of speculation when no one has seen these teams draft boards.
Secondly, Kenny wasn't available until most(if not all) of the starting QB positions were already accounted for(hence the reason Wilson came here because the Steelers were the only team to guarantee him a starting postilion). Psst...Kenny garnered more trade compensation than Fields.
And the teammates who were trying to actively entice other QBs to come here have to deflect as to why they haven't won a playoff game in seven years with one of the highest salaried defenses in the league.
And at some point, some "Pitt fans" need to understand this story isn't totally written yet.
Of Wilson, Kenny and Fields, who gives the Steelers the best chance of winning? Honestly it’s a crap shoot with all 3. All we knew and all the Steelers and Cam and Watt knew is Wilson would make the QB room better. Wilson and Pickett had the same QBR playing for bad offenses the last two years and Justin Fields is Mitch Trubisky. Think about it, people are excited about Fields but he’s a failed QB from Chicago just like Mitch. Personally I want Fields to succeed and I hope the Steelers can turn him around. But it’s really foolish for the same people who doubt Kenny to be excited about Fields.
Newsflash: The draft hadn't happened yet. The Vikings could have gotten him. The Raiders could have upgraded if they thought he was that. Same with the Giants, Seahawks, etc.
And yes, he did fetch more than Fields. Kenny Pickett, who has one more year of control than Fields, returned a 4 lb. bag of potatoes while Fields fetched a 2.5 lb bag of snap peas. Basically, neither were worth much of anything at all.
I have zero faith in Fields and very little in Wilson and Pickett. I honestly don't want any of the three to be the QB of the future.
I've felt completely outmatched at the QB position over the last few seasons, to be honest, whether that was a spent Ben, Kenny Pickett, Mitch Trubisky, Duck, Mason Rudolph, etc. My preference is none of the above, and I'm not sure Wilson will be any different... but I guess there is at least a small chance he is in the right fit and they catch lightning in a bottle.
Part of it is the Steelers weak ass, gutless mindset, for example he threw a 30-yard TD pass after a long punt return, to Muth right into the middle of the secondary 30 yards down field on 1st down vs TB, once regular season gutlessness takes over, that would have turned into run-run-incomplete pass short of the line of scrimmage-FG
Or in Smith's offense vs an offense that featured play action rollouts to the left resulting in a three yard pass completion.
The reality is , he is only 2 years into his career and many qbs take much longer. the reality is, at times, he looked ok to good, at times he didn't. the reality is, he is no longer a Steeler, but I wish him the best.
I mostly agree w what you posted, but he didn't completely fall apart. It wasn't like he was throwing ints and making bone headed plays. He regressed to being playing safe and not making enough plays to keep drives going or punch the ball into tge endzone.
That's laughable - most of the teams you mentioned were in position to draft a QB - why give up draft capital when don't have to?
Secondly, the Giants and Seahawks weren't in play.
Thirdly, you could have asked the same question regarding Russell Wilson given you didn't have to give up anything other than the league minimum. Why didn't the teams you mentioned go after him?
Lastly, if you think the 98th pick isn't anything - you clearly don't understand the draft.
Normally I would agree but I am 100% sure the Bills #1s were out there. Most or all of them.
I think the scheme thing is probably true.
Again, why are we making this Kenny Pickett vs Russell Wilson? I've said numerous times that I'm completely open to the idea that Wilson might suck. Has nothing to do with my opinion on Kenny.
And I may not understand the draft, but perhaps you don't understand the trade. We received the 98th overall pick (and two 7th rounders) and gave up the 120th pick. So it was better than nothing, but not by much for a QB with two years left on a rookie deal.
Kenny garnered pretty good trade value compared to how he is discussed on the internet. I think the real NFL values him much more highly than the typical fan. I can only speculate as to why but generally I think teams thought he played ok adjusted for the context of what he was forced to work with.
The QB recruitment by Cam and others is problematic. I disagree with those who think it was because Kenny was a locker room problem. I think ball players generally know good ball. Wilson has a good reputation as a winner in the NFL and at a minimum, he'd be neck and neck with Pickett (and Wilson's peak was obviously much better). So in that context I am not surprised that Cam and others would pursue a QB who has produced, won, and been around for awhile. Don't think that necessarily means they were out on Kenny; they had 2 open QB spots so simply adding him to the room even if you kept KP and Mason was an obvious improvement.
Two years on his rookie deal when the Eagles didn't need him to be a starter. So they gave up that for a backup because they felt that Kenny was worth it.
They swapped 22 spots of mid-round picks (7th rounders are next to meaningless). That's awful trade value for a 1st round QB who has only played two years. Even Sam Darnold got traded for a 2nd, 4th, and 6th.
It's a positive for Kenny. He's on a better team with better tools.
Hey, I hope he does well. Not like I'm pulling for him to fail. I don't think he did a very good job here, but I still want him to figure it out and succeed.
Well they also got rid of Dotson who was one of the better guards in the NFL and the let Canada run their offense for two years
Wilson will suck and then the PR machine will blame it on the schedule, not the fact that he’s a washed up turd.
The Steelers only chance this year is to allow Fields go to try to develop into a low round QB.
Wilson is going to be bust and yinzers will still be unable to grasp why. Dulac will claim some nonsense and all of the apologist sports writers will be quick to back up his claims. Tomlin is will finish 9-8 and nothing will change.
The Steelers only chance this year is to allow Fields go to try to develop into a low round QB.
Wilson is going to be bust and yinzers will still be unable to grasp why. Dulac will claim some nonsense and all of the apologist sports writers will be quick to back up his claims. Tomlin is will finish 9-8 and nothing will change.
I said this a month ago on this board. Pickett will contribute this year for the eagles as Hurts is going to miss a few games from injury. Pickett will play very well and the Eagles will make the playoffs.
I think Fields is going to see the field as a QB for the Steelers at some point in the season either because Wilson gets hurt or because he just doesn’t have it.
Best of luck to Coach T. He could someday be a politician but he isn’t a good offensive player evaluator. The Wilson / Fields aquisition is a last ditch effort by the Steelers to win in the playoffs with the defense that is in its prime. Rooney gave the head coach everything he asked for. Time to deliver
I think Fields is going to see the field as a QB for the Steelers at some point in the season either because Wilson gets hurt or because he just doesn’t have it.
Best of luck to Coach T. He could someday be a politician but he isn’t a good offensive player evaluator. The Wilson / Fields aquisition is a last ditch effort by the Steelers to win in the playoffs with the defense that is in its prime. Rooney gave the head coach everything he asked for. Time to deliver
Meh....TBH I still think the Steelers are a year or two away from being legit contenders. Yeah the drafted 2 O Lineman in the first two picks but they are still rookies and will take their lumps getting used to the NFL this year. Hell, it took how many weeks for Broderick Jones to be inserted....still think that was stupid. Point is there is no guarantee everything just"comes together" the way some think it will. Defense is good but not elite IMO they got torched by a few QB last year (They got smoked against the 49ers if you recall). I think all things being equal Kenny is much better off in Philly. He has no pressure right now and can just work on getting better and who knows what happens. I expect him to play like a man possessed in the preseason....I know it's only the preseason. If success wasn't had he would have been the scapegoat again. Steelers schedule is brutal, and change takes time to gel. Heck, at least he will have another Pitt man on his team and not have to deal with the WR rehab program Tomlin seems to like to employ (Pickens is a headcase. I don't care how many great catches he makes).
People are way overrating how good of a situation Philly is right now. That team collapsed last season and the coach is a hot-headed manchild.
I tend to think they're a year or two away as well... and that's assuming they find a QB who can lead them through the playoffs, which I doubt Russell Wilson can do.
Problem is Watt will be something closer to obsolete by then. I would love to see them trade him for someone(s) who slightly better fits the timeline, but I doubt that happens. They are in win-now mode with like 70% of a win-now team. OR maybe 80%, since everybody has holes. Still, we're just not there yet. I'm glad we didn't do anything stupid (in the form of what we had to give up) to acquire some journeyman QB, though.
This can’t possibly be true. Ask any Pitt-hating yinzer reporter, and they’ll tell you a different story - even if they were there to witness it.
Time to move on. KP did a lot for Pitt, but those days are over. Happy he was here, forever a grateful fan, but if he's playing against the Steelers I want the home team to win.
Too many here are making too many excuses for him. Lots of college football stars stink in the NFL. He may, or may not, but it's time to move on.
Too many here are making too many excuses for him. Lots of college football stars stink in the NFL. He may, or may not, but it's time to move on.
Nope. And when Kenny succeeds with a real OC and real roster backing him up, while washed Wilson and Fields eat sack after sack and throw pick after pick, I'm gonna not move on even more. I'm gonna be extra insufferable
But see....this is what I was afraid of. This post was never supposed to be about the Steelers. This was simply a post to shout out a former Pitt player who is having something positive written about him. Honestly a man who has had every aspect of his character and ability questioned locally and publicly. Last time I checked this was a Pitt board not a Steelers board. I don't give a crap what anyone thinks Im going to post anything news worthy about past or present panthers because I'm a die hard Pitt fan. Feel free to ignore it if it offends you.
