Yep.
And the prices of homes in the feeder district reflect it.
Schools are improving.
Environmental charter, colfax, dilworth, greenfield all good schools.
Especially if you look at performance by groups.
Kids from higher social strata excel.
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And the prices of homes in the feeder district reflect it.
Schools are improving.
Environmental charter, colfax, dilworth, greenfield all good schools.
Especially if you look at performance by groups.
Kids from higher social strata excel.
The cities business tax base is expanding for example Alcoa is moving back to Pittsburgh.
Ten employees moving from New York. Ok, that's a few hundred bucks. Max.
As industries expand ( healthcare, medical /research, energy, basic manufacturing) the quality jobs will be filled by quality people and Pittsburgh and the surrounding areas will be a great place to live and raise a family.
What manufacturing? What energy? Healthcare, medical are low wage jobs. Energy? Yeah. Mines coming back.
Check out the Money Magazine article citing Pittsburgh as the # 1 city to live in!
Pittsburgh has been rated #1 for the last 30 years. Doesn't change what is. Population going south.
You're a the glass is half empty loser who doesn't or wont say a good thing about anything especially Pittsburgh
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Ten employees moving from New York. Ok, that's a few hundred bucks. Max.
As industries expand ( healthcare, medical /research, energy, basic manufacturing) the quality jobs will be filled by quality people and Pittsburgh and the surrounding areas will be a great place to live and raise a family.
What manufacturing? What energy? Healthcare, medical are low wage jobs. Energy? Yeah. Mines coming back.
Check out the Money Magazine article citing Pittsburgh as the # 1 city to live in!
Pittsburgh has been rated #1 for the last 30 years. Doesn't change what is. Population going south.
You're a the glass is half empty loser who doesn't or wont say a good thing about anything especially Pittsburgh
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We have Bike Lanes and enough Police and Fireman for a city 2X our size. I think better use of the tax revenue would help.
Improving the City Schools would also help. As pointed out, the current Super was a horrible choice.
Not sure where the City people shop. Working in town, I see more things closing than opening. So attracting sustainable businesses would also be a plus.
And, not just a Pittsburgh issue, but the whole state government should be gutted. That is the main reason we will be moving once children graduate.
Improving the City Schools would also help. As pointed out, the current Super was a horrible choice.
Not sure where the City people shop. Working in town, I see more things closing than opening. So attracting sustainable businesses would also be a plus.
And, not just a Pittsburgh issue, but the whole state government should be gutted. That is the main reason we will be moving once children graduate.
People obsessing over bike lanes is comical.
It literally has no negative impact on anyone and is the precise quality of life type of improvements needed to retain young college grads
Pittsburgh usually ranks high in those magazines because the houses are cheap.... as a result of the city being less desirable to most people who don't already have some sort of connection. Yet, we are STILL losing population. Once the number of deaths start to fall, the population 'should' increase. However, the cost of living will have increased with the same infrastructure in place. The city will be faced with growing without the proper infrastructure to deal with it, unless one is traveling to a Steelers game, then you can take the free T ride over! The city really needs to find a way to pay to increase the availability of public transit, specifically the rail lines to locations or high density, like Oakland and the eastern city neighborhoods. The city isn't going to go this, and will instead pretend that ":Bus Rapid Transit" will offer a large increase in transportation satisfaction.
I don't think it is an obsession.
I hardly see anyone use them, but I do see traffic backed up because of them during rush hour. So yay...you keep 10 grads happy. I could also counter that it hardly has any positive impact. I doubt that is worth the cost.
This city has bigger problems. I am just stating that the money could have been used for something better. Perhaps our definitions of comical differ. For me, it is something funny, for liberals, it is something to throw out when people disagree with you.
I hardly see anyone use them, but I do see traffic backed up because of them during rush hour. So yay...you keep 10 grads happy. I could also counter that it hardly has any positive impact. I doubt that is worth the cost.
This city has bigger problems. I am just stating that the money could have been used for something better. Perhaps our definitions of comical differ. For me, it is something funny, for liberals, it is something to throw out when people disagree with you.
What cost? Paint?
you think the bike lanes are causing traffic? C'mon man. Where are you commuting?
This is how cities and towns work and its called the "life cycle" of the city or town.
They go from young to old and old to young once lots of the old reach room temperature.
This happened in some of the worst neighborhoolds in NYC which are now occupied by primarily young people. Homes and business space become cheaper businesses move in, young people show up for jobs and cheap housing, and investors gobble up the cheap real estate and the young people begin populating the city.
A positive sign for Pittsburgh is the business climate is favorable and PITT grads from out of the area are staying in Pittsburgh in increasing numbers.
We're from out of the area and I've always told our Pittsburgh friends don't sell your great city short its a really nice place to live or visit compared to other east coast cities!
Paint, and the high priced union jobs to apply it. Plus some of those standing reflectors in some spots down town.
And I commute in and out of downtown (live North).
Again, my point is just why spend the money there when you can spend it on greater needs or reinvest in infrastructure. To me, just seems like a diversion tactic.
Not going to dwell on this. We obviously don't agree and that is fine.
Simple- because it's a very low cost , relatively, and low maintenance thing with low impact.
It's only a diversion to those who want to complain. Frankly, its for people who live in the city.
"Bike Lanes"? Seriously. That was controversial? If so, that's disheartening. At worst, can't it just be met with a shrug and move on? Recalls the days when the 'burg went ballistic because ABC didn't show enough Steeler highlights on halftime of Monday night football (for you youngins, true and depressingly so).
The Yinzer mentality is such a downer.
The Yinzer mentality is such a downer.
Hah, I am not a yinzer. Far from it.
And for the bazillionth time, It was an example. Limited income cities should spend money on important items that help the majority of its citizens. Good God get that through your heads.
Hey, my bad. Didnt intend to overstate the "issue" of bike lanes. Hope it's not. I hope the Yinzer mentality (I think we all agree it's insufferable) is dissipating.
Based on my personal 40 yr experience of going to many if not all major east coast cities (Portland MA - Miami FL)frequently on business.
I travel to major US cities and Pittsburgh has a lot of them beat IMO.
It was my personal award to the City of Pittsburgh and everyone will have a different opinion of course.
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I am very curious. Compared to the east coast cities, what makes Pittsburgh nicer to you?
I love when the concerned citizens of Butler and Greensburg get worked up about about Pittsburgh bike lanes. It always comes down to the same BS arguments:
- "It causes traffic jams." Yeah, you used to breeze through Parkway East, Greentree Hill and Liberty Bridge but a bike lane along 10 blocks of Penn Ave totally wrecks your commute.
- "I ain't never seen nobody use them." How about actual numbers? 400 per day isn't high traffic but it isn't "nobody".
- "They wasted millionza dollars." Again, most of you aren't city residents anyway, but facts are still nice. The 10 block along Penn Ave cost $108,500 - $85,000 for paving and $23,500 for markers. There are more than 200 city employees making that much each year. Drop in the bucket.
the main drag thru South Park (Corrigan rd) went from 4 lanes to 2 with bike lanes.. my buddy's company got the paint contract so I knew it was coming. I would be annoyed if it weren't for 2 things: 1) it's not downtown, it is an actual park and this was a way to entice people to ride, jog, and 2) I have no regards to the double yellow lines in the middle that I use to pass the cars that are going 25 mph for the 2 1/2 mile stretch..
the bike lanes downtown are irrelevant though, no one uses them ever but hey, traffic sucked downtown before so screw it.. like souf said, it's not exactly a huge cost. If I were a bike rider, id actually want them to put up those plastic/rubber poles as well, to further improve the safety of the lanes. but I don't so I wont.
the bike lanes downtown are irrelevant though, no one uses them ever but hey, traffic sucked downtown before so screw it.. like souf said, it's not exactly a huge cost. If I were a bike rider, id actually want them to put up those plastic/rubber poles as well, to further improve the safety of the lanes. but I don't so I wont.
Your drop in the bucket adds up to 108500 + (low end 108500 X 200 = 21,700,000) = 21,808,500
That is a big drop.
downtown Pittsburgh is a ghost town after 6pm though. I mean, you got some night life in the south side of course with the bar crowd, the strip has some bars and the cultural district has picked up dramatically the last 10 years so you have that but as far as most of downtown, it's just not very conducive to "every day" living.
like most of you, I've been to other cities and you actually see a lot of nightlife and you just don't have that in Pittsburgh. I mean, try going down to market square on a Wednesday night in june, you'll see a homeless guy taking a leak and the proverbial tumbleweed going across your face.. if its not a bar or restaurant, there is nothing else open downtown..
with that said, is it a population decline or is it less people live within city but if you take the Metro area, it's bigger? I'd guess (no proof) that even though the actual city population of Pittsburgh has declined by around 33% since the 70's, a lot more people live within the metro area than back then.
like most of you, I've been to other cities and you actually see a lot of nightlife and you just don't have that in Pittsburgh. I mean, try going down to market square on a Wednesday night in june, you'll see a homeless guy taking a leak and the proverbial tumbleweed going across your face.. if its not a bar or restaurant, there is nothing else open downtown..
with that said, is it a population decline or is it less people live within city but if you take the Metro area, it's bigger? I'd guess (no proof) that even though the actual city population of Pittsburgh has declined by around 33% since the 70's, a lot more people live within the metro area than back then.
What are you talking about? My point was that $108,500 is a drop in the bucket - not some huge capital project in the scope of a city budget of $76 million that has 200+ making that much or more. (I wouldn't disagree that some of those shouldn't be making that, although most are firemen or cops.) But they aren't spending $21 million on bike lanes.
not sure this is relevant but you know what I think is a crock of S*** with regards to city costs? When cops, off duty, can use their positions to get jobs like working the door at bars, and they get to keep the money of course but they use their gun (city property) and im sure are covered under the city's insurance..
I think that's BS. listen, they want a job on the side, fine but you cant use your dept weapon or be covered in case you get hurt on the job. that's just my opinion.
I think that's BS. listen, they want a job on the side, fine but you cant use your dept weapon or be covered in case you get hurt on the job. that's just my opinion.
Actually, population loss is region wide. Butler county, excepted (+1.9%), but my suspicion is that's predominantly people moving there from elsewhere in the region.
http://www.post-gazette.com/local/r...county-decline-estimates/stories/201703230088
I get it, you have very little interest in Pittsburgh and even less knowledge of what's actually going on in the region. Your " I'm a douchebag act " is rather pathetic.
http://www.phillymag.com/business/2017/04/29/pittsburgh-philadelphia-tech-innovation/
http://www.phillymag.com/business/2017/04/29/pittsburgh-philadelphia-tech-innovation/
Don't know basis for flame since it's a widely acknowledged issue and an important one. Generally, the ideas above seem to fall into two distinct catagories 1. "Do Something" (e.g. amenities, improve schools, attract busisness to relocate here, immigration) or, 2. "Do Nothing" (ie, the problem will be self correction after baby boomers die off).
What are your ideas?
My sample size is small, but had beers at City Works, dinner at Tako, and cocktails at Pork and Beans... seemed pretty lively to me in April.
Or does that not qualify as down town?
Where are those places? Do they not fall into the restaurant/ bar category that I mentioned? Because they sound like restaurants. I agree that people in Pittsburgh eat dinner at restaurants in April.
Damn souf, come on man, you are better than this. Did you even read my post?
I did.
And they are downtown.
I mean, if your contention is it's a ghost town- except for the people eating, drinking, and going to shows downtown... I agree
Pittsburgh as whole has the most bars per capita in the country. There are many choices for nightlife but they are not all centralized. On any given night you can find people on the North Shore, Northside, Southside, Lawrenceville, East Liberty, Bloomfield, Shadyside, Strip District, Downtown, etc. There's always something going on somewhere. That's what outsiders love about the city.
There was no downtown living in the 70s that's actually on the uptick.
There was no downtown living in the 70s that's actually on the uptick.
Was just at Tako. I often find attempts to elevate street food as pretentious or that it just doesn't work. However, I thought Tako was really good. I would highly recommend. Better than any other similar elevated Mexican that I can remember having had in the East. FWIW, best Mexican I've ever had (in the States) is still in the Bay Area, although El Paso obviously had some great food (thank you Sun Bowl).
BTW, this was on an early Sunday evening, which when I was living in Pittsburgh would have been absolutely dead downtown. The scene is completely different now. It was lively, and the restaurant/bar was filled with 20-30 somethings. There wouldn't have even been an establishment like Tako there 20 years ago.
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