LOL. You're a desperate man that is looking more and more like a clown every time you post. Go shine NEAL's shoes.
OT: Gerrit Cole
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LOL. You're a desperate man that is looking more and more like a clown every time you post. Go shine NEAL's shoes.
So it's McDonald's! I knew it! A failure in life but expects perfection from others!
LOL!!!!
Great comeback! What is your life's work? Do you supervise others and expect perfection? Do you do a perfect job for your boss as well? If you do, I'm sure you should be a CEO? Do you even work? Do you live vicariously through others successes?
You're a fascinating yinzer? Please tell us.
BTW... You called me "boy" is that a slip of the tongue? Or does that reveal something deeper on your part????
It means you are a child. Not worthy of being called a man.
Now put your cheerleading outfit back on and go cheer everything NH does.
Damn! I must have hit a nerve! You sound like an angry man..
I just want to find out what you do for a living that makes you worthy to throw stones at others. I guess your non-answer is your answer. You do nothing or nothing very important for you to unfairly attack others.
Try to sip from the drink of human kindness and give others the benefit of the doubt.
It's hilarious that you are accusing me of attacking others when all thread long I have done nothing but praise others, including, but not limited to Gerrit Cole, Andrew McCutchen, Neil Walker, Starling Marte, Josh Bell, Jameson Taillon, and Tyler Glasnow. At the same time, others in this thread (yourself included) have denigrated almost all of those guys, as well as Jung-Ho Kang, Francisco Cervelli, Francisco Liriano, and more.
Yes, giving others the benefit of the doubt only extends to NEAL!
This is something I've always loved to ask people that blast the Pirates/Huntington and Pitt/jd comstantly. These people seem to expect perfection, and I always wonder if they hold themselves to the same standard.
Are they a top employee at their company? Do they exceed all performance goals? Do they ever mess up at their job?
It tells you a lot about an individual when they expect perfection from others...it is usually compensating for deficiencies in their own life.
You expect perfection, I do not. So, do you expect others around you to hold the same high standards? Do you perform at a perfect standard as well? Is your name Brian?
How the HELL is saying cutch, kang, cervelli, Cole, and liriano had poor years denigrating them? They have had poor years compared to past performance...some more than others, but that is simply a fact.
That is another one I loved...this extended to JD. People said "well, if he didn't like the standards Barnes set, then he is wrong."
It's like none of the people on here have ever had an unreasonable boss. One main reason that a lot of people switch jobs are unreasonable goals and standards.
I'm just glad nutting doesn't have unreasonable goals for Huntington and didn't do something stupid like fire him or run him out of town. We saw how well that worked out for Pitt. Not the same thing, but the grass isn't always greener as we saw with stallings.
Huntington is considered one of the best, and the Pirates would be hard pressed to do better.
And Ive said Neal Huntington has had poor years, including this one. That is a fact.
The season isn't even over yet? I'll save this post though in case they win the World Series.
You still have yet to address what happens if players on the roster played up to capability...again, likely 7-9 more wins. 8 more wins has them at 75-54, which would be the third best record in baseball. Why do you ignore that cutch, liriano, Cole, cervelli, and kang have cost the Pirates that many wins?
And yes, I admit they should have signed another pitcher in the offseason, or acquired one in some way. Can you address my point?
I certainly don't settle for second place as this front office has constantly. I don't take a year off in hopes that next year will be better. I try my hardest to achieve all of my goals every single year and do what it takes to reach them. I don't make excuses like many here do for NH, I don't complain about lack of resources.
If you're happy with constantly being second best (at best), more power to you.
Bingo again! That's the point. People want to know why the Pirates are struggling this year. He blames NH for the lousy pitching staff. Locke, Nicasio and Niese lead the team in wins. Liriano and Cole lead the team in loses. So that kind of negates that arguement.
When you look at performance from last year to this year, you see that certain players are not having as good of a year as they did last year; Cutch, Kang, Cervalli and Cole.
He's not interested in having a give and take conversation. He's interested in winning the arguement because that's where he gets his self esteem...
LOL there you go with pitchers wins again. The rally cry of the un-informed.
So you are perfect and reach your goals all the time? You must be a CEO? So NH ISN't trying to be the best as well? If you want to rip Nutting, you'll get no arguement from me. NH has done a good job on the budget he has. Not perfect, but good enough to keep the Pirates in contention. You want to win big? Talk to Nutting...
Should we judge them by losses? By ERA? WAR? That was the same arguement fans gave for keeping Charlie Morton.... But he has a great WAR number!
If the Pirates win the World Series as the second wild card team, how would you view this year?
I don't disagree, but why do you continually dodge the point that if the existing stars in the team performed to normal standards, they likely have 7-9 more wins?
Can they please make the wild card first? Win a playoff series? A pennant? Like I said a few pages ago, I don't deal in hypotheticals, especially crazy ones like this.
How is one side saying the other is holding the GM to an "unreasonable standard of perfection" (which clearly no one is doing) but then in the same posts trying to hold individual players to an "unreasonable standard of perfection"?
Playing to the same level as last year is not unreasonable. Perfection is unreasonable. People are asking why the Pirates are not as good this year. It's because certain players are having down years. It doesn't mean the players stink.
I don't think it's near that many wins, that's why. I think a much bigger issue was going into the season with three awful SP, a guy not good enough at 1B, and a huge downgrade at 2B due to a terrible trade. Not calling up Taillon and Bell (and Glasnow) sooner (as in late April/early May) was a huge disservice to the team, too.
Niese, Locke, Nicasio, Harrison, and Jaso certainly do stink. They were all regulars for four months, Harrison still is. Those guys were all regulars due to decisions made by the GM this offseason. That is why this team is on the outside looking in.
He gambled and lost. The reason those players were not called up sooner was financial (See Nutting). He was hoping that Niese would be as good as AJ Burnett. It didn't happen. Let's move on... He did a decent job at the trade deadline. Nova has pitched well so far and Rivero has been solid. Get credit where it's due.
Again. NH has a budget. There was nobody out there better than they already had with the money he had to work with. So he got bargain basement Nicasio and traded for Niese because the Pirates could afford his contract. He was hoping he would be as good as Burnett. He also knew he had a couple of good prospects that were ready to come up.
Since he didn't have the money to get better pitching, he decided they needed to score more runs, so decided to spend the money on Joyce, Rodriguez, Frazier, Freese, etc...
It all comes back to money...
Rivero is walking over 6 batters per 9 innings. He is a ticking time bomb in the bullpen. That deal upset the entire order of the bullpen, and they would have most likely had two more wins without that trade being made. Would be nice to have those two blown saves in the bank right now.
I just don't see the upside in trading for a relief pitcher, even if he has five years of service. His absolute upside if he ever reaches it is Tony Watson. He isn't likely to reach it. Furthermore, NH has shown it's quite easy to build a good bullpen, why trade for relievers when others are getting top 25 prospects and more for top end closers. He picked up Grilli off the waiver wire. Watson converted starter (likely will be Brault's fate), Feliz and Nicasio signed relatively cheap (Nicasio should've been in bullpen all year).
Jon Niese is nothing like AJ Burnett, or Liriano, Happ, or Volquez, for that matter. He was a soft tosser who never struck guys out. All of those guys were 93 MPH+ power guys who strike guys out and induce ground balls. Niese is much closer to the Locke, Morton, Correia style, none of whom strike guys out, they were all finesse type that get hit hard. It was an awful deal, and horrible analysis of what has worked here and what hasnt in terms of pitching styles that Searage could work with.
Furthermore, Niese was booted out of the rotation for the Mets last year. But now he's good enough for the Pirates? Just stupid.
He wasted about a quarter of his budget on bad players. Please stop blaming everything on Nutting when NH used a ton of his resources poorly.
Felipe Rivero has a super low ERA but a high walk rate and is a ticking time bomb.
Tyler Glasnow has a super low ERA but a high walk rate in the MINOR LEAGUES and is being mishandled and manipulated for financial reasons.
This without even touching on the hilarity of late inning bullpen roles being affected under Hurdle.
The beauty of people forming arguments with the end-goal being to support a predetermined conclusion. Actively arguing against 2 different things.
Just had to duck in and point out how inconsistent the arguments are at this point.
Tyler Glasnow has a super low ERA but a high walk rate in the MINOR LEAGUES and is being mishandled and manipulated for financial reasons.
This without even touching on the hilarity of late inning bullpen roles being affected under Hurdle.
The beauty of people forming arguments with the end-goal being to support a predetermined conclusion. Actively arguing against 2 different things.
Just had to duck in and point out how inconsistent the arguments are at this point.
Lol, I can't believe how he just did that.
Rivero also has a 2.9 bb/9 in his MLB career. He has 15 innings with the Pirates...huge sample there. E also has a 2.8 bb/9 in his minor league career. Control is not an issue really.
In comparison, glasnow's bb/9 in the minors is 4.5.
Glasnow is awesome...rivero is a ticking time bomb though.
His minor league walk rate is 4.4, there are plenty of starting pitchers that are in that range that have gone on to have success, see the similar prospects to Glasnow that I posted.
You won't find a relief pitcher with a walk rate over 6 that is successful.
But yeah, let's celebrate NH playing around the margins again because a reliever is doing okay for a month.
At this point, I don't know why.
Cite WAR, then take wild guesses about how many wins were won/lost by certain players.
Denigrate pitcher wins, then talk about how bullpen roles matter.
There's no consistency whatsoever.
You're making a large assumption that 1) Glasnow won't see his walk rate go up in the majors and 2) Rivero won't regress back to his previous mean in terms of BB/9.
I really don't know how much of a cheerleader you have to be to equate a 6.6 bb rate to a 4.4 walk rate. I mean it's a 59% increase. It would be like saying Glasnow is no different from a guy who has a 2.9 bb rate.
Not to mention the guy is a reliever. Keep playing around the margins.
Not to mention the guy is a reliever. Keep playing around the margins.
The bullpen roles matter when you remove one of the top three relievers in baseball and replace him with a middling middle reliever.
Are you ready to put Gary Sanchez in the Hall of Fame? How about calling Adam Frazier an everyday player?
You seem to like making ridiculous conclusion on ridiculous sample sizes.
You are either trolling us on purpose, or are really sadly ignorant.
