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OT: Ghislaine Maxwell...

Rioting, looting and anarchy are not a cure. Then again, most of that stuff isn't due to the actions of a few rogue cops, but the actions of some socialist radicals. There is absolutely no legitimate justification for this lawlessness, none! :mad:

do you know the history of the united states? and what a recent right wing political movement named itself after?

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do you know the history of the united states? and what a recent right wing political movement named itself after?

Are you saying that the Tea Party was/is comparable to comparable to those I mentioned? Really?

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Rioting, looting and anarchy are not a cure. Then again, most of that stuff isn't due to the actions of a few rogue cops, but the actions of some socialist radicals. There is absolutely no legitimate justification for this lawlessness, none! :mad:
You seem to believe that the protests consist of only rioters and looters. That is a complete and utter falsehood. In the first few days of the protests the rioters and looters came out in force as always. But that died down fairly quickly. And it was dead wrong to start with. Since then most of the violence at these protests were caused by outside forces trying to goad the protesters and police wading in to break up the protests. But calling lawful, constitutional protest "riots" is a convenient way to say there should be no protests. Keep things the way they are like good little patriots.
 
Are you saying that the Tea Party was/is comparable to comparable to those I mentioned? Really?

civil unrest = check
looting = check
destruction of private property = check

btw, the overwhelming majority of these protests have been peaceful. that is, until the cops decide to rough people up. the press have been detained while live on tv. so much for that whole first amendment and rule of law balogna, eh?
 
You seem to believe that the protests consist of only rioters and looters. That is a complete and utter falsehood. In the first few days of the protests the rioters and looters came out in force as always. But that died down fairly quickly. And it was dead wrong to start with. Since then most of the violence at these protests were caused by outside forces trying to goad the protesters and police wading in to break up the protests. But calling lawful, constitutional protest "riots" is a convenient way to say there should be no protests. Keep things the way they are like good little patriots.

I don't believe anyone has an issue with the peaceful protests, or peaceful protestors who were reacting to the totally unacceptable acts of a small minority of police officers in Minnesota and elsewhere. The Constitution guarantees this right.

The problem lies with those who have taken advantage of the situation to push their radical, socialist agenda via acts of civil disobedience. For the most part this is no longer about BLM, and I doubt there is much sympathy for the motives of this radical element.

I feel certain that some constructive actions will be taken to make sure that the tragedy in Minneapolis, and those elsewhere, will not be repeated. However, we must be assured that the Constitutional rights of every citizen are also upheld, and that doesn't include a right to loot, riot or break the law.

Those who choose to turn a blind eye to this behavior for political reasons will pay the price in November. Of this, I am sure.
 
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Abolish prison. More genius.

Not what this thread is about, but prison sentences and conditions have gotten way out of hand in this country. It's to a point where people act like 5-year prison sentences are a slap on the wrist. Man, five years in prison is a HUGE portion of someone's time on this Earth. What could be dealt in months is being dealt in years, because people have grown a tolerance to these sentences, so the next politician has to come through and INCREASE, INCREASE, INCREASE. It's all about the "maximum" and the "fullest extent of the law." Oh, and we're treating them too well because we feed them (shit food) and give them a (concrete) bed to sleep on. Yeah... beat a misbehaving dog some more; that'll teach it to change its behavior.
 
Not what this thread is about, but prison sentences and conditions have gotten way out of hand in this country. It's to a point where people act like 5-year prison sentences are a slap on the wrist. Man, five years in prison is a HUGE portion of someone's time on this Earth. What could be dealt in months is being dealt in years, because people have grown a tolerance to these sentences, so the next politician has to come through and INCREASE, INCREASE, INCREASE. It's all about the "maximum" and the "fullest extent of the law." Oh, and we're treating them too well because we feed them (shit food) and give them a (concrete) bed to sleep on. Yeah... beat a misbehaving dog some more; that'll teach it to change its behavior.
I agree. This is about sensible punishment. It should be quick and with a reasonable expectation of preventing someone from reoffending. Personally I would much rather have the whipping post than five years in jail.

My original point in this thread was in the same vein. Spending one year in jail before trial is the same as being guilty of something. Also, such a case should not hang over you for so long. Such stress is insane. Not humane and completely unfair. That goes for this lady and any other human.
 
Gotta give time for the uber-class to find where she has everything hidden so they can protect themselves!
I have to think that some of them knew where she was the whole time. Seems she thought she was protected to some extent.

Have there been mug shots made public?
 
I don't believe anyone has an issue with the peaceful protests, or peaceful protestors who were reacting to the totally unacceptable acts of a small minority of police officers in Minnesota and elsewhere. The Constitution guarantees this right.

The problem lies with those who have taken advantage of the situation to push their radical, socialist agenda via acts of civil disobedience. For the most part this is no longer about BLM, and I doubt there is much sympathy for the motives of this radical element.

I feel certain that some constructive actions will be taken to make sure that the tragedy in Minneapolis, and those elsewhere, will not be repeated. However, we must be assured that the Constitutional rights of every citizen are also upheld, and that doesn't include a right to loot, riot or break the law.

Those who choose to turn a blind eye to this behavior for political reasons will pay the price in November. Of this, I am sure.
Again. Don't confuse protesters with looters and rioters. Millions have hit the streets in protest and some only look at the early riots and looters, which, again were clearly wrong.
 
I agree. This is about sensible punishment. It should be quick and with a reasonable expectation of preventing someone from reoffending. Personally I would much rather have the whipping post than five years in jail.

My original point in this thread was in the same vein. Spending one year in jail before trial is the same as being guilty of something. Also, such a case should not hang over you for so long. Such stress is insane. Not humane and completely unfair. That goes for this lady and any other human.

I agree with that.

And yeah... I agree there are much better alternatives than being locked up. Even for violent offenders, I just think there are better ways. For instance, on top of their normal job, make someone work an additional 10-15 hours per week at another job for two years, with earnings going to their victim. Then, instead of siphoning $50,000/year from the taxpayers for being locked up and siphoning more money when you're an ex-con in need of government assistance, you are actually adding to the economy instead of helping to dismantle it. Also, you're giving the victim legitimate restitution. As for a deterrent, I can't think of anyone who wants to work that many hours unpaid.

I mean, this is just an example. But it makes sense to me. This "lock 'em up" mentality is just stupid and restrictive.
 
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Clarifying the article.
I don't know how you can interpret, "Defunding the police means defunding the police" to know how much they are talking about taking away from the departments.

It could mean anywhere between 100% and .01%.

These politicians have been smart enough to not define it. And, I'm sure, won't.

They do give the appearance that they are going to leave the police departments in a position to attempt fulfill their public safety functions on a dramatically lower budget than they currently have. How much lower has not been said. But, they come across as feeling as if the lower, the better.

I don't know how you can say that you know any more than anyone else what is meant by the statement. They may in fact want closer to a 100% reduction. They may not. "Defund the police means Defund the police" is an arbitrary statement. People on both sides seem to believe what they want to believe it means, without either side being sure it's right.
 
I agree with that.

And yeah... I agree there are much better alternatives than being locked up. Even for violent offenders, I just think there are better ways. For instance, on top of their normal job, make someone work an additional 10-15 hours per week at another job for two years, with earnings going to their victim. Then, instead of siphoning $50,000/year from the taxpayers for being locked up and siphoning more money when you're an ex-con in need of government assistance, you are actually adding to the economy instead of helping to dismantle it. Also, you're giving the victim legitimate restitution. As for a deterrent, I can't think of anyone who wants to work that many hours unpaid.

I mean, this is just an example. But it makes sense to me. This "lock 'em up" mentality is just stupid and restrictive.
It seems that the prison industry makes huge money. Is this accurate?
 
Going to jail doesn't require a lawyer?

More people in jail doesn't required more lawyering?

Longer time in jail doesn't require needing a lawyer longer?

More laws to prosecute more people don't require more lawyers?

More law, more lawyers.
No
Jail doesn’t require lawyers
Prison does
If you really don’t understand that distinction-
There’s no reason to continue
 
I agree. This is about sensible punishment. It should be quick and with a reasonable expectation of preventing someone from reoffending. Personally I would much rather have the whipping post than five years in jail.

My original point in this thread was in the same vein. Spending one year in jail before trial is the same as being guilty of something. Also, such a case should not hang over you for so long. Such stress is insane. Not humane and completely unfair. That goes for this lady and any other human.
But I’d have to scoff that your introduction is because a wealthy white women has to sit in jail awaiting trials .
Who is also child Sex trafficker
boss - you’re way Late to the party and picking the wrong lady to use as an example
 
There are federal laws that prevent “too speedy” of a trial to prevent a kangaroo court. The schedule isn’t arbitrary. The attorneys will need time to pour over the grand jury evidence, hire PI’s to question people, pre-trial motions, etc. The right to a speedy trial isn’t more important than a right to a fair trial. She’s sitting in jail because she’s a flight risk and no amount of bail will keep her around.
 
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There are federal laws that prevent “too speedy” of a trial to prevent a kangaroo court. The schedule isn’t arbitrary. The attorneys will need time to pour over the grand jury evidence, hire PI’s to question people, pre-trial motions, etc. The right to a speedy trial isn’t more important than a right to a fair trial. She’s sitting in jail because she’s a flight risk and no amount of bail will keep her around.
She , with the stuff she knows , will never see a pre-trial conference .
Arky flu .
 
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I don't know how you can interpret, "Defunding the police means defunding the police" to know how much they are talking about taking away from the departments.

It could mean anywhere between 100% and .01%.

These politicians have been smart enough to not define it. And, I'm sure, won't.

They do give the appearance that they are going to leave the police departments in a position to attempt fulfill their public safety functions on a dramatically lower budget than they currently have. How much lower has not been said. But, they come across as feeling as if the lower, the better.

I don't know how you can say that you know any more than anyone else what is meant by the statement. They may in fact want closer to a 100% reduction. They may not. "Defund the police means Defund the police" is an arbitrary statement. People on both sides seem to believe what they want to believe it means, without either side being sure it's right.
Just saying no one is saying get rid of the police. How they direct the funds isn't known to me. And I don't know what you are talking about when you say "defund the police means defund the police".
 
Just saying no one is saying get rid of the police.


Are you really so uninformed that you don't think that there are people saying that? I mean here is an op-ed from the New York Times with the title "Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police".

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html

"I’ve been advocating the abolition of the police for years."

"We don’t want to just close police departments. We want to make them obsolete."

"People like me who want to abolish prisons and police, however, have a vision of a different society, built on cooperation instead of individualism, on mutual aid instead of self-preservation."

So she not only wants to get rid of the police, she wants to close all the prisons. In other words, she's batshit crazy. But she most certainly is saying, literally, get rid of the police.
 
It was the DA in Minneapolis who let him off, I believe it was, 9 times.

And the main theme of the protests was it was about all cops. Not just a few bad ones. Defunding the police isn't about making sure we protect the majority who are great cops. Also, they use the word systemic, which says the whole system of cops is bad.



Seems the leader of BLM in that video would respond to your comments to me like she responded to the mayor of Minneapolis.
Chauvin had 18 prior misconduct complaints. Those were all handled by the department IA unit, i.e., his fellow officers, who exonerated him 17 times.

The DA/prosecutor’s office doesn’t get involved in interdepartmental police disciplinary matters. Based on your inane commentary about your perception of the legal and criminal justice system, I’d suggest you take a basic civics class at your local community college. You clearly don’t understand the way the system works.
 
Given trial date more than 370 days from now. What is the typical time someone must sit in jail without a trial?

Seems like “justice delayed is justice denied” is common in America. More than one year in jail for anyone without being found guilty is insane.

Maybe this is where the protest should be.
1. She has passports and citizenship for 4 different countries. She’s a flight risk.

2. she has means. Wealthy people accused of capital crimes that they are likely to be convicted of delay their day in court as long as possible-for obvious reasons. Pretrial motions, change of venue motions, motions to adjourn to permit additional discovery, competency exams, etc etc etc. Jail is the best setting they’re going to have for the rest of their lives, and they know it.
 
Chauvin had 18 prior misconduct complaints. Those were all handled by the department IA unit, i.e., his fellow officers, who exonerated him 17 times.

The DA/prosecutor’s office doesn’t get involved in interdepartmental police disciplinary matters. Based on your inane commentary about your perception of the legal and criminal justice system, I’d suggest you take a basic civics class at your local community college. You clearly don’t understand the way the system works.
Only the police IA reviewed this? You are 100% sure?
 
1. She has passports and citizenship for 4 different countries. She’s a flight risk.

2. she has means. Wealthy people accused of capital crimes that they are likely to be convicted of delay their day in court as long as possible-for obvious reasons. Pretrial motions, change of venue motions, motions to adjourn to permit additional discovery, competency exams, etc etc etc. Jail is the best setting they’re going to have for the rest of their lives, and they know it.
You missed my point. Don't be so smart that you miss what I was saying.

Where did I say that I am upset over no bail?
 
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