The Post Gazette has an article out from the last 24 hours about how he’s resuming baseball activities.
OT: Pirates Ke'Bryan Hayes a bust?
- Thread starter PittPoker
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Actually, they announced the other day that he's supposed to start "baseball activities" tomorrow. So a few days after that to see how his back reacts, and then either a rehab assignment or back to the active roster.
So I didn't hear/see that.
The getting back to baseball activities is good.
The annual recurrence of this problem year after year is NOT!!
Fun to revisit these thoughts with the perspective of this year.
Looks like the Pirates may have their big 3 SP's and for a bargain basement price tag for the next 5 years.
Skenes, Jones, and Keller are looking like a solid starting trio.
Then you have the shocking performance of Falter, who provides the perfect change of pace, a soft throwing lefty.
They have the Cuban youngster coming back next year, and he showed good promise last year. As well as a couple of up and coming arms in AA and AAA.
Every addition in the near and distant future should be offense.
And a better manager and coaches.
I seem to recall that you were posting the same stuff about Hayes about halfway through last season, and it was shortly thereafter that his bat came alive for the rest of the year.
I found myself making the argument yesterday that Falters start was way better than Skenes. No?
And he hasn't been good at all once again this season when he's not on the IL over and over.
Yes! Excited to circle back at the end of the year to bump this when Hayes plays well.
Most of the Pirates haven't been good up to this point, but we are seeing some encouraging signs recently. Hopefully, this improvement will continue and that Hayes will be part of it once he comes off IR.
Based on last year, I think he's about to hit his groove now that you are badmouthing him again.
Bump this thread because Hayes has sucked so far this season. Told you all he is a bust. He stinks. Had a couple good months last season and 1 month in 2020 and can't hit worth a damn anytime else.
Spot on, Poker! Hayes has been a one dimensional player from day one. He’s typical of the the crummy players the Pirates have taken a flyer on with a long term contract in the hope he would turn into a major league caliber starting player. He’s fragile and can’t hit his way out of a paper bag…he’s nothing but a utility infielder. Reynolds isn’t far behind. Not a single complete player in the Pirates everyday lineup.
Don’t know what the numbers are but it appears to me that Reynolds and Hayes are at minimum solid major leaguers. Reynolds will never be a superstar but he’s solid. If Hayes can get healthy and stay healthy, I realize that’s a big if, he will be more than just solid.
His defense has been unremarkable at best this season and he can't hit. Sorry you think a .236 avg with 2 pathetic Homeruns is wonderful but he's been awful at the plate, pretty much for most of his career. And a corner infielder no less.
Not really. You can squeeze a pimple and it will go away. We can only wish…
Hayes 0 for 2, jeez he sucks. Corner infielder with 2 HR's and hitting .230 haha. What a star!!
lol, this thread has more twists and turns. and yes, currently poker is laughing..
not ready to give up on him but man, he looks lost at the plate.
not ready to give up on him but man, he looks lost at the plate.
If you look at his hitting overall since he came to the bigs in 2020 it's been pretty subpar in general. This season however has been abysmal.
He’s no more than a utility IF… I don’t care if he can field grounders on his head with one hand tied behind his back. He spends more time in the hot tub than on the field….and he’s a babe in the woods!
Poker, we hate each other most of the time, but I’m 100% in agreement here.
If Hinson couldn’t hit 3s he would be at point park. But he hits threes, so he’s getting nba looks.
Hayes is an elite fielder, so he isn’t getting dfaed
Hayes is an elite fielder, so he isn’t getting dfaed
Ke'Bryan Hayes f'n sucks!
He's hitting .235, under .200 against right handed pitchers, is 7 for his last 50 and has 3 HR's all season.
Contract was terrible, corner infielder who has no power, doesn't drive in runs and is a below avg hitter.
He's hitting .235, under .200 against right handed pitchers, is 7 for his last 50 and has 3 HR's all season.
Contract was terrible, corner infielder who has no power, doesn't drive in runs and is a below avg hitter.
I had a parlay on Saturday and had 5 of my 6 things hit. The one that didn’t is I needed Hayes to simply get a hit. He didn’t and I lost. But hey he hit it hard though. Lol.
He didn’t even really do that, and is not doing that this year.
Pirates fans get really defensive about him for some reason. I get his defensive value, but I don’t give a damn how good his defense is if he hits like this.
Also, I do like metrics, and maybe @pghsonj1325 can elaborate a bit more, but he has a positive Owar this year, which I just cannot fathom
I don't think he does?
If I'm not mistaken he has a -6.7 OffAA which is awful
Don't have oWAR in front of me but can't imagine it's positive
Per his baseball reference page his oWar is at .4. I don’t know how that could even be possible.
I only know this because I was in a Reddit argument and they quoted the Owar stats and I couldn’t really believe it. He has a .606 OPS and 74 OPS+. If he has a positive Owar would honestly say that completely invalidate the metric lol.
I’ll say it again, if the dude was even above average defensively instead of fantastic, he would be a DFA candidate and not someone that got a long term contract
And again, if you go on Reddit people will defend the guy, almost weirdly. Lots of justifications as to why his offense doesn’t matter because of his defense, but I just can’t buy that.
I’ve always said prime Kevin keirmaier is what he needs to be. Hitting was at least average to compliment fantastic defense, but unfortunately outside of his call up and second half last year he’s frankly been one of the worst full time offensive players in the league.
I’ve always said prime Kevin keirmaier is what he needs to be. Hitting was at least average to compliment fantastic defense, but unfortunately outside of his call up and second half last year he’s frankly been one of the worst full time offensive players in the league.
Oh, and here is the other thing I’ll say. People talk about problems on the team. Grandal, suwinski, etc. They look at them as the biggest problems. I just don’t agree.
Hayes to me is the absolute biggest problem the team has. You can easily jettison those other guys but you are stuck with Hayes till the end of the decade.
Hayes to me is the absolute biggest problem the team has. You can easily jettison those other guys but you are stuck with Hayes till the end of the decade.
Well, if you jettison those other stiffs and get even average ML hitters, that strengthens your lineup and takes some pressure off Hayes.
His contract isn't exorbitant by any stretch in today's baseball market.
He just needs to hit around .270 with 15-20 HR's and 75 RBI to earn his $$$. You know, like he did the second half of last year.
The Pirate's problem is all the dead wood in the bottom half. Suwinski, Triolo, Tellez, Grandall/or whoever, Olivares are all punch and Judy hitters.
Then you have Cruz still figuring it out, Cutch winding down, and Reynolds being so streaky. Gonzalez came up hot, but he's slumping a bit now as well.
Lighting Hayes up is easy given the contract, but he's far from a bust. Disappointing, certainly, but not a bust. Unless about 8 other guys on the roster are busts as well, and they may well be?
Amazing how this team makes every opposing pitcher look like Cy Young, and we have guys putting up zeroes and giving up less than 3 runs, and can't get a W!!
Hayes is the 21st century Ducky Schofield. …he’s no MLB starter. Pirates whole lineup , other than when Cruz and Reynolds wake up, is dead wood. Talk about a rebuild made out of twigs.
Schofield was a SS, decent fielder. and his hitting would fit right in with this group.
Hayes even at .240 looks like Ted Williams compared to the light hitting Duck. 28 career HR's.
