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recruitsreadtheseboards said:
Hey, I got lost in the moment. I thought like a REAL scout/GM/Coach. I was wavering between Wanny, Matthews and Cam. I thought, man how many other guys have a 6'9" perimeter guy who can stroke it and run the floor? And I got lost. It is not like he was awful at Pitt.
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^^^^
Getting closer to a meltdown. ;)
 
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recruitsreadtheseboards said:
Hey, I got lost in the moment. I thought like a REAL scout/GM/Coach. I was wavering between Wanny, Matthews and Cam. I thought, man how many other guys have a 6'9" perimeter guy who can stroke it and run the floor? And I got lost. It is not like he was awful at Pitt.
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Your boy averaged 7 points per game while at Pitt. You are the Matt Millen of this draft so far. :)
 
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Are we going off of Pitt career without factoring in NBA career in picking teams and picking winners?

Like Adams and Cam? What's the rule on those guys? Recruits took Cam but a guy like Artis had a MUCH MUCH better Pitt career. Thoughts?
 
Yes, we are only factoring off the guys best year at Pitt. If he transferred and played well at UNC, that means nothing and neither does an NBA career.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
Are we going off of Pitt career without factoring in NBA career in picking teams and picking winners?

Like Adams and Cam? What's the rule on those guys? Recruits took Cam but a guy like Artis had a MUCH MUCH better Pitt career. Thoughts?
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* 16 teams
* Snake Draft
* 6 players each
* Players evaluated on a single Pitt season
* Big East/ACC era only
* 4hr/max per pick - dropped 3 spots otherwise
* No drafting between 11am & 7am unless...
* Then a Big Tourney we vote winners on
 
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4upmc said:
Just tuning in...but I assume these picks are based on what guys did ONLY at Pitt. If so how the hell do you take Cam Johnson lol. Many guys left after him had superior careers at PITT. The next pick Jason Matthews has a far better career at Pitt.

Speaking of Matthews he was and will probably always be the greatest shooter in Pitt history. Even if the line was moved back he would have been the best Pitt shooter ever. All 4 years he shot at least 44% or higher form 3.
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He couldn’t compare to Billy Knight or Larry Harris. Jason was not even in the same league.
 
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Sean Miller Fan said:
Are we going off of Pitt career without factoring in NBA career in picking teams and picking winners?

Like Adams and Cam? What's the rule on those guys? Recruits took Cam but a guy like Artis had a MUCH MUCH better Pitt career. Thoughts?
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Best single year at Pitt.
 
Pitt5593 said:
He couldn’t compare to Billy Knight or Larry Harris. Jason was not even in the same league.
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I didn’t see those guys play. From what I heard and can look up yes of course they were better all around players. But I’m just talking about 3 pt shooting. As we know they didn’t have the 3 when those guys played. But since they have had the 3 pt shot only 15 guys (at least taking minimum 200 3pt shots for a career or 2 plus a game) shot over 45% for a career. Matthews shot 45.7% for his career putting him in the top 10 all time % wise. That’s ahead of guys like Ray Allen and Kyle Korver. Of course Matthews was not the player that Allen and Korver were but he proved to be an all time great COLLEGE 3 pt shooter and the numbers back this up.
 
26 @4Mark_Marty
27 @CougarClaws
28 @Bethlehemjohn
29 @Joe the Panther Fan

ROUND ONE
1 @fkthomas - CHARLES SMITH
2 @DT_PITT - DEJAUN BLAIR
3 @Sean Miller Fan - SAM YOUNG
4 @Joe the Panther Fan - CLYDE VAUGHN
5 @Bethlehemjohn - BRIAN SHORTER
6 @CougarClaws - CARL KRAUSER
7 @4Mark_Marty - VONTEEGO CUMMINGS
8 @BballinsiderfromPitt - RICARDO GREER
9 @Ajntrw - BRANDIN KNIGHT
10 @TheSpecialSauce - JEROME LANE
11 @iMissTheOldDayss - LEVANCE FIELDS
12 @pittchagg - CHEVON TROUTMAN
13 @recruitsreadtheseboards - CAM FRIGGIN JOHNSON!
14 @Fsgolfdr - JASON MATHEWS
15 @thirteenNINE - BRAD WANNAMAKER
16 @Ski11585 - AARON GRAY

ROUND TWO
17 @Ski11585 - LAMAR PATTERSON
18 @thirteenNINE - ASHTON GIBBS
19 @Fsgolfdr - MIKE YOUNG
20 @recruitsreadtheseboards - ERIC MOBLEY
21 @pittchagg - JURON BROWN
22 @iMissTheOldDayss - JULIUS PAGE
23 @TheSpecialSauce - CHRIS TAFT
24 @Ajntrw - ISAAC HAWKINS
25 @BballinsiderfromPitt - BOBBY MARTIN
26 @4Mark_Marty
27 @CougarClaws
28 @Bethlehemjohn
29 @Joe the Panther Fan
30 @Sean Miller Fan
31 @DT_PITT
32 @fkthomas

Updated Draft List
George Allen SG
Trent Johnson PF C
Andre Williams PF C
Billy Culbertson PG
Joey David SG PG
Chip Watkins PF SF
Keith Armstrong C
Matt Miklasevich PF C
Steve Beatty C
Charles Thompson SF SG
Curtis Aiken SG PG
Demetrius Gore SF SG
Junie Lewis SG
Daryll Shepherd SF
Marlon Ferguson PF
Tico Copper C
Mike Goodson PG
Pat Cavanaugh PG
Rod Brookin SF
Sean Miller PG SG
Darelle Porter SF PG
Nate Bailey SF
Darren Morningstart C
Chris McNeal PF
Ahmad Shareef SG
Antoine Jones SF
Omo Moses PG SG
Gandhi Jordan SF
Chris Gant PF
Jermaine Morgan SF
Brian Brush PF C
Jerry McCullough PG
Orlando Antigua SF
Willie Cauley SF PF
Sotiris Aggelou SG
Jaime Peterson C
Garrick Thomas SF SG
Jason Maile SG
Chad Varga SF PF
Andre Aldridge PG SG
Marlon Rhymes SG
Gerald Jordan C PF
Andre Howard SF
Kevin Willard PG
Mark Blount C
Mike Gill SF
Kelli Taylor SG
Jarret Lockhart SG
Atilla Cosby C
Stephen Flores SF PF
Kevin Lesile PF
Jeremy Holmes PG
Fred Primus SG
Michael Shin SF
Chris Seabrooks C
Donatas Zavackas PF C
Chad Johnson SF
Zelmir Stevanovic SG
Torree Morris C
Griffen Able SF
Derrick Worrell PF
Mark McCarroll PF SF
Ontario Lett C
Yuri Demetris SG SF
Antonio Graves SG SF
Levon Kendall PF C
Ronald Ramon SG PG
Keith Benjamin SG SF
John DeGroat SF
Tyrell Biggs PF C
Mike Cook SF
Gilbert Brown SF PF
Gary McGhee C
Jermaine Dixon SG
Tray Woodall PG SG
Isiah Epps PG
Nasir Robinson PF
Dante Taylor C
Chase Adams SG PG
JJ Richardson C PF
JJ Moore SF
Talib Zanna PF C
Khem Birch C PF
John Johnson SG PG
Cam Wright SG
Steve Adams C
James Robinson PG
Durand Johnson SF
Trey Zeigler SF SG
Jamel Artis SF PF
Josh Newkirk SG PG
Chris Jones SG SF
Derrick Randall C
Cam Johnson SF SG
Joe Uchebo C
Ryan Luther PF C
Sterling Smith SG
Damon Wilson PG
Rafiel Maia C
Alonzo Nelson-Ododa C
Shelton Jeter PF SF
Rozelle Nix C
Jonathan Milligan PG SG
Justice Kithcart PG
Jared Wilson-Frame SF
Marcus Carr PG
Parket Stewart SG
Shamiel Stevenson PF SF
Terrell Brown C
Kham Davis SG SF
Kene Chukwuka C
Monty Boykins SF
Peace Illegomah C
Xavier Johnson PG
Trey McGowens SG PG
Au'Diese Toney SF PF
Sidy N'Dir PG SG
Malik Ellison SF
Ryan Murphy SG SF
Eric Hamilton C
Karim Adoul Coulibay C
Gerald Drumgoole SF
Justin Champagne PF SF

@4Mark_Marty up next.
 
CougarClaws said:
I would like to thank Recruits for this pick as I can't imagine he's still here if not for a Cam Johnson or two.

With the 27th pick, I select C/F Talib Zanna.

13.0pts/8.6reb/59% from the floor/and a ridiculous 5.4 win shares.

@Bethlehemjohn is up.

PG Carl Krauser
C Talib Zanna
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Where you getting win shares from?
 
Bethlehemjohn said:
I will pick Jerry "ice" McCullough as my PG.
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I had two names in mind depending on who you picked. You took one of the two, so I'll go the other direction. I need a center, and they are running low. So....

With the 29th overall pick I take Jaime Peterson.

PG -
SG -
SF - Clyde Vaughan 21.9 ppg, 9.2 rpg
PF -
C - Jaime Peterson 13.9 ppg, 9.4 rpg

If nothing else, we are going to be able to rebound the basketball.

Next up, @Sean Miller Fan
 
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Joe the Panther Fan said:
I had two names in mind depending on who you picked. You took one of the two, so I'll go the other direction. I need a center, and they are running low. So....

With the 29th overall pick I take Jaime Peterson.

PG -
SG -
SF - Cylde Vaughan 21.9 ppg, 9.2 rpg
PF -
C - Jaime Peterson 13.9 ppg, 9.4 rpg

If nothing else, we are going to be able to rebound the basketball.

Next up, @Sean Miller Fan
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Good pick, I had Jamie in the paying board draft, so I have switched it up.
 
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Sean Miller Fan takes Sean Miller. You guys really underrate him. Remember what happened when he got hurt before his senior year? They had 4 very good multi-year starters but no Miller. I hate to knock Bethlehem John but Krauser went WAY too high. And Ice over Miller? No way.

If I'm ranking Pitt PG's, I go:

1. BK
2. Fields
3. Cummings (
4. Miller
5. Krauser
6. McCullough

I don't consider Gibbs or Wanamaker PGs really. Combo guards
 
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Sean Miller Fan said:
Sean Miller Fan takes Sean Miller. You guys really underrate him. Remember what happened when he got hurt before his senior year? They had 4 very good multi-year starters but no Miller. I hate to knock Bethlehem John but Krauser went WAY too high. And Ice over Miller? No way.

If I'm ranking Pitt PG's, I go:

1. BK
2. Fields
3. Cummings (
4. Miller
5. Krauser
6. McCullough

I don't consider Gibbs or Wanamaker PGs really. Combo guards
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You’re gonna catch so much hell for putting Miller over Krauser. You could make a really good argument for Krauser as the #3 overall player on the big board.
 
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Sean Miller Fan said:
Sean Miller Fan takes Sean Miller. You guys really underrate him. Remember what happened when he got hurt before his senior year? They had 4 very good multi-year starters but no Miller. I hate to knock Bethlehem John but Krauser went WAY too high. And Ice over Miller? No way.

If I'm ranking Pitt PG's, I go:

1. BK
2. Fields
3. Cummings (
4. Miller
5. Krauser
6. McCullough

I don't consider Gibbs or Wanamaker PGs really. Combo guards
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This is a criminal underrating of Krauser and a dismissal of Wanny’s PG skill. Ask @thirteenNINE what he thinks about that.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
Sean Miller Fan takes Sean Miller. You guys really underrate him. Remember what happened when he got hurt before his senior year? They had 4 very good multi-year starters but no Miller. I hate to knock Bethlehem John but Krauser went WAY too high. And Ice over Miller? No way.

If I'm ranking Pitt PG's, I go:

1. BK
2. Fields
3. Cummings (
4. Miller
5. Krauser
6. McCullough

I don't consider Gibbs or Wanamaker PGs really. Combo guards
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I feel like Miller is a top-30 player for sure.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
Remember what happened when he got hurt before his senior year?
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First of all, junior year. But yeah, I remember what happened before his junior year. Do you?

What happened was that the guy who replaced him, who had never really played point guard before at all, broke the all time Pitt season record for assists per game.

I'm not saying he was a bad player. Far from it. But he had just about the easiest job in college basketball his first couple seasons here.
 
@fkthomas is up for 2 picks
Joe the Panther Fan said:
First of all, junior year. But yeah, I remember what happened before his junior year. Do you?

What happened was that the guy who replaced him, who had never really played point guard before at all, broke the all time Pitt season record for assists per game.

I'm not saying he was a bad player. Far from it. But he had just about the easiest job in college basketball his first couple seasons here.
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He was a good player -- but he's not close to Knight, Krauser, Fields or even McCoullough.
 
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I'm taking a break for a while.

ROUND ONE
1 @fkthomas - CHARLES SMITH
2 @DT_PITT - DEJAUN BLAIR
3 @Sean Miller Fan - SAM YOUNG
4 @Joe the Panther Fan - CLYDE VAUGHN
5 @Bethlehemjohn - BRIAN SHORTER
6 @CougarClaws - CARL KRAUSER
7 @4Mark_Marty - VONTEEGO CUMMINGS
8 @BballinsiderfromPitt - RICARDO GREER
9 @Ajntrw - BRANDIN KNIGHT
10 @TheSpecialSauce - JEROME LANE
11 @iMissTheOldDayss - LEVANCE FIELDS
12 @pittchagg - CHEVON TROUTMAN
13 @recruitsreadtheseboards - CAM FRIGGIN JOHNSON!
14 @Fsgolfdr - JASON MATHEWS
15 @thirteenNINE - BRAD WANNAMAKER
16 @Ski11585 - AARON GRAY

ROUND TWO
17 @Ski11585 - LAMAR PATTERSON
18 @thirteenNINE - ASHTON GIBBS
19 @Fsgolfdr - MIKE YOUNG
20 @recruitsreadtheseboards - ERIC MOBLEY
21 @pittchagg - JURON BROWN
22 @iMissTheOldDayss - JULIUS PAGE
23 @TheSpecialSauce - CHRIS TAFT
24 @Ajntrw - ISAAC HAWKINS
25 @BballinsiderfromPitt - BOBBY MARTIN
26 @4Mark_Marty - DARREN MORNINGSTAR
27 @CougarClaws - TALIB ZANNA
28 @Bethlehemjohn - JERRY MCCULLOUGH
29 @Joe the Panther Fan - JAIME PETERSON
30 @Sean Miller Fan - SEAN MILLER
31 @DT_PITT - JAMEL ARTIS
32 @fkthomas -

Updated Draft List
George Allen SG
Trent Johnson PF C
Andre Williams PF C
Billy Culbertson PG
Joey David SG PG
Chip Watkins PF SF
Keith Armstrong C
Matt Miklasevich PF C
Steve Beatty C
Charles Thompson SF SG
Curtis Aiken SG PG
Demetrius Gore SF SG
Junie Lewis SG
Daryll Shepherd SF
Marlon Ferguson PF
Tico Copper C
Mike Goodson PG
Pat Cavanaugh PG
Rod Brookin SF
Darelle Porter SF PG
Nate Bailey SF
Chris McNeal PF
Ahmad Shareef SG
Antoine Jones SF
Omo Moses PG SG
Gandhi Jordan SF
Chris Gant PF
Jermaine Morgan SF
Brian Brush PF C
Orlando Antigua SF
Willie Cauley SF PF
Sotiris Aggelou SG
Garrick Thomas SF SG
Jason Maile SG
Chad Varga SF PF
Andre Aldridge PG SG
Marlon Rhymes SG
Gerald Jordan C PF
Andre Howard SF
Kevin Willard PG
Mark Blount C
Mike Gill SF
Kelli Taylor SG
Jarret Lockhart SG
Atilla Cosby C
Stephen Flores SF PF
Kevin Lesile PF
Jeremy Holmes PG
Fred Primus SG
Michael Shin SF
Chris Seabrooks C
Donatas Zavackas PF C
Chad Johnson SF
Zelmir Stevanovic SG
Torree Morris C
Griffen Able SF
Derrick Worrell PF
Mark McCarroll PF SF
Ontario Lett C
Yuri Demetris SG SF
Antonio Graves SG SF
Levon Kendall PF C
Ronald Ramon SG PG
Keith Benjamin SG SF
John DeGroat SF
Tyrell Biggs PF C
Mike Cook SF
Gilbert Brown SF PF
Gary McGhee C
Jermaine Dixon SG
Tray Woodall PG SG
Isiah Epps PG
Nasir Robinson PF
Dante Taylor C
Chase Adams SG PG
JJ Richardson C PF
JJ Moore SF
Khem Birch C PF
John Johnson SG PG
Cam Wright SG
Steve Adams C
James Robinson PG
Durand Johnson SF
Trey Zeigler SF SG
Josh Newkirk SG PG
Chris Jones SG SF
Derrick Randall C
Cam Johnson SF SG
Joe Uchebo C
Ryan Luther PF C
Sterling Smith SG
Damon Wilson PG
Rafiel Maia C
Alonzo Nelson-Ododa C
Shelton Jeter PF SF
Rozelle Nix C
Jonathan Milligan PG SG
Justice Kithcart PG
Jared Wilson-Frame SF
Marcus Carr PG
Parket Stewart SG
Shamiel Stevenson PF SF
Terrell Brown C
Kham Davis SG SF
Kene Chukwuka C
Monty Boykins SF
Peace Illegomah C
Xavier Johnson PG
Trey McGowens SG PG
Au'Diese Toney SF PF
Sidy N'Dir PG SG
Malik Ellison SF
Ryan Murphy SG SF
Eric Hamilton C
Karim Adoul Coulibay C
Gerald Drumgoole SF
Justin Champagne PF SF
 
pittchagg said:
You’re gonna catch so much hell for putting Miller over Krauser. You could make a really good argument for Krauser as the #3 overall player on the big board.
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That is craziness! I love Krauser. I really do. One of my all-time favorites. But #3 overall? That's insane. He was a great player but his flashiness and swagger overrate him just a little bit and I don't mean to sound like I am knocking him because I really do love the guy.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
Sean Miller Fan takes Sean Miller. You guys really underrate him. Remember what happened when he got hurt before his senior year? They had 4 very good multi-year starters but no Miller. I hate to knock Bethlehem John but Krauser went WAY too high. And Ice over Miller? No way.

If I'm ranking Pitt PG's, I go:

1. BK
2. Fields
3. Cummings (
4. Miller
5. Krauser
6. McCullough

I don't consider Gibbs or Wanamaker PGs really. Combo guards
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Gibbs not a PG in my mind, Wanny probably. As far as ranking the PG's, it's really so hard. Fields and BK were probably the best at running a team. Cummings was unquestionably the most dynamic and best athlete of the bunch. Krauser probably had the biggest heart. McCullough was very good on some very average teams and Miller was great at being the maestro of some very good teams. The way you rank them is really based on what you value more in a PG. The way we are doing this, it is to pick the guy with the best single year stats, but that really doesn't factor in what makes a guy good or great.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
That is craziness! I love Krauser. I really do. One of my all-time favorites. But #3 overall? That's insane. He was a great player but his flashiness and swagger overrate him just a little bit and I don't mean to sound like I am knocking him because I really do love the guy.
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I don’t think he is #3 overall, but he is far and away better than Miller. Not even close.
 
Pitt5593 said:
He couldn’t compare to Billy Knight or Larry Harris. Jason was not even in the same league.
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I watched Billy Knight and Larry Harris play every one of their games while at Pitt and BK was without a doubt the best Pitt bb I ever saw , however neither he nor Larry Harris were as pure a shooter as Mathews. Both were taller and more complete players than Jason and if they were available in the draft I’d have taken them in this order BK , LH and JM .
Now for some smack , the team I’m building will be tough to defend and JM was instrumental in the direction my team is being formed . You stop them you might have a chance , but good luck !
 
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DT_PITT said:
If we are basing this on "one season," his one season looks pretty good.
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Well now I know why DT’s team in the pay board draft was so bad...drafting out of the #1 spot stinks!! I’m not happy about this. Lol.

it’s very interesting and quite different going off of one year instead of the entire Pitt career. So with that in mind, x’s frosh year statistically was pretty good and I believe Demetrius Gore also had a very good year as well. So I’ll take those two:
Rd 2 Xavier Johnson
Rd 3 Demetrius Gore

@DT_PITT you’re back on the clock!
 
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