The Rooney's should just purchase the stadium outright if they want to demand specific changes without oversight. How much debt is left to be paid?
Ronneys, Steelers not happy with SEA
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Well, I would hope the Chancellor is deeply involved with Populous being hired for unspecified reasons. The next AD hire is absolutely critical as we move forward.
I realized that the infrastructure was outdated when I arrived here in 1967. Moved from Whitehall to the North Hills in 1969. The South Hills built out long before 3-4 car families were common. Saw Mill Run Blvd a killer, Rt 19 bad, too. Not much can be done...too bad, some nice neighborhoods.
populous cant invent real estate in Oakland, I don't care how recognized they are nationally. building chain hotels is a ground breaking achievement in Oakland, you cant create something that doesn't exist.
all these fans that are clamoring for steelers to move operations to butler or Jeannette because Heinz field is 15 years old, you know if this happens then pitt football is absolutely dead in the water. You know that, right? im not talking about injured with a leg cramp and swallowing water, im talking dead, decomposed, floating face down, grey bloated skin, fish already picked the good pieces off the corpse, body stuck in debris on the banks of the river dead.
you boys better be careful what you wish for..
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IF, and that is a HUGE if, the Steelers had any plan to move out of the city, I feel pretty confident the Pitt administration would know well in advance. Believe it or not, Pitt and the Steelers actually have a great relationship. Now all of the naysayers start posting your make believe stuff.
If that's true, Pitt is dumber than we all thought for hitching their wagon to the fate of the Heinz Field. I just have to think Populous was hired because Pitt saw the writing on the wall. We have about a decade before we have to make a decision. I'm betting Pitt will find space for a stadium. Maybe not in downtown Oakland, but close. Again, can't stress enough how dumb tearing down Pitt Stadium was.
pitt couldn't continue with the field house. they weren't getting into acc with that high school gym. they had to do something. pitt stadium was a dump, you cant find me a worse big time college football stadium. every aspect of pitt stadium was bad, concessions, sight lines, the bleacher seating, parking, tailgating, luxury boxes (there were none), press boxes, being a mile away from the field even if you were in front row.. Seriously, there wasn't one positive thing to say about pitt stadium outside of history. you'd walk up the ramp and there would be an 8' pile of dirt in the corner, literally.
Hyperbole is funny but it's not constructive. Citing a move to Butler or Jeanette is funny at best. I don't think anyone believes that's even possible.
Cranberry is in Butler county. Some on here believe that is where the Steelers are moving.
It's hilarious that you think the Steelers are married to the North Side. If it proves to be a better move financially to move to Butler County, I guarantee they will do it. San Francisco doesn't play in San Francisco, they play in Santa Clara. The Dallas Cowboys don't play in Dallas, they play in Arlington Texas. And they do it because it's probably far cheaper for them to play outside of the city.
as long as the rooney family owns the steelers, they will not leave the north side. stop with this nonsense, seriously, it's ridiculous. all of this is nothing more than them wanting the SEA to pay for the new seats and they didn't want to. that's it. The steelers and pitt football will be playing at Heinz field for the next 15 years and probably long after that. if you want to get worked up over 2035, feel free, just don't expect any of us to panic.
BTW, cranberry sucks as does all of butler county. you want a location for a farm show, then butler is your choice, you want an nfl stadium, you don't go to butler.
Where is Butler County and/or Cranberry Township going to get the $600 to $800 million they need to fund the stadium? The Rooney's aren't paying for the stadium themselves like Jerry Jones did and last time I looked Butler County wasn't in the middle of Silicon Valley and all of the tax revenue that brings in. The state won't give them a dime since it would mean they have to cough up money for a new Eagles Stadium too, which would be something like $3 to $4 billion in tax dollars going to replace two perfectly fine stadiums.
They Rooney's are stuck in Heinz Field for the next 50ish years unless they want to pay for 75% of the construction costs for a new stadium which they won't do.
The only thing preventing the Steelers from going full blown Al David-Dan Snyder is the fact that Dan Rooney is still alive and kicking. Once he goes, look out.
I'll bet you 100 bucks they aren't playing at Heinz Field in 2030. Heinz Field sucks bro. It's a cookie cutter, plain and boring Stadium. The Rooneys know this and want to upgrade. SEA won't pay for seats or upgrades. Art sounded exhausted from the constant fight.
If Beaver County came in and said, here's an incredible tax deal, you'll never have an issue getting what you want. Cranberry is exploding with development and young people and young people with high incomes. The Rooneys would be dumb not to do it.
Also, if the Steelers leave....who's to say Pitt doesn't buy Heinz Field and renovate it to 40K seats? Put in Field turf and personalize it for them? Or would Pitt face the same barriers with the SEA?
The only way the Steelers are still playing in Heinz Field in 50 years is if the NFL has essentially ceased to exist because of the sport dying off. There is no chance the Steelers are playing in a 65 year old stadium. None.
you think pitt will buy Heinz field and renovate it by cutting down 26,000 seats? Just take off one of the top tiers? come on man.. Heinz field is cookie cutter, no arguments there.. beaver county sucks and all the tax breaks in the world wont move the steelers out of north shore..
I like you dave, your posts are good but your cranberry/butler scenario is a pipe dream.
I like you too bro, and I'm not arguing....just enjoy the discussion. I'm just shocked the Steelers took this battle public. I just think there's a reason they did that.
yeah, I work in the north shore and I just see a ton of new crap coming up daily and I have to think most of that is coming from our stillers. maybe all of this new construction is some sort of project to be self sufficient, free of steeler-dependance, I don't know. leaving the idea of pitt being homeless out of it for now, steelers playing in cranberry or even Washington would annoy me to the point of driving me to completely abandon this team. which is kind of weird since I really dont' even go to the games..
omg, that is the easiest $100 to be made....definition of a sucker bet.
Heinz does not suck. Yeah it looks like crap from the outside (i.e. cookie cutter as you say), especially the tacky umbrellas over the escalators. But that doesn't really matter. It has the luxury boxes & the club seats that are bringing in big money. It has excellent sight lines from almost everywhere. Tons of over-priced concessions. It has the transportation infrastructure to support it, more so now with the T-line. And the biggest thing it has the development that 3-rivers never had, with Stage AE, etc, that the Steelers are profiting in.
It is beyond fantasy to think the Steelers would ever pack up and walk away from all that.
I will say that if the SEA begins to play nice, everything changes. I'd still love to see a Pitt Stadium in my lifetime, although I will admit that's probably a pipe dream too.
im as big a proponent for an on campus stadium as there is, well maybe that ZetaZeta dude has me beat but I'd love it more than anything. just don't see it happening short of a miracle. they just don't seem to be building land anymore..
not even the land so much as the infrastructure, What all these on-campus fantasy folks need to realize is that the city would never approve anything that can't support adequate parking and transportation in and out for an event. Hell the city won't even close Bigelow or extend the T into Oakland, why anyone thinks they would cooperate on an Oakland based stadium is fantasy to the highest degree.
Those are also pretty populated places with a strong tax base to help pay for those or have owners with much deeper pockets than the rooneys.
I'm not saying that the steelers will be on the north shore forever but it isn't happening anytime soon imo.
Yep. Outside of Chicago & Green Bay, which seem to be perfectly content with their old-school stadiums, EVERY NFL team wants to play in an "above-average" facility.
Which is, of course mathematically impossible.
In 2017 --- of the 30 non-Chicago, non-Green Bay teams, the Steelers play in a facility that is older than the home field of 13 other teams (ATL, MIN, NYG, NYJ, SF, DAL, IND, ARI, PHI, HOU, NEP, SEA, DET). They're tied with Denver. Rams & Chargers coming on-line soon, w/ the Raiders likely not far behind. The Steelers are right near that half-way point now and they'll soon be on the "other side."
We're not there quite yet. But the request for new facilities is 5-10 years out, and the Panthers better be getting prepared.
We should all learn and memorize the rule. What is good for the Rooney's is good for all of us. Afterall, they define us all, our region, our blue collar, catholic work ethic.
So whatever the Rooney's get to make them feel better, we all feel better.
So whatever the Rooney's get to make them feel better, we all feel better.
Because they do things the right way, unlike those soulless hoodlums in Baltimore and (gasp) Philadelphia - who signed a dog killer to their.....oh, wait.
Pittsburgh showed their anger with the dog killer signing.. really was an eye opening display that showed how important this topic really is.. ladies and gentlemen, here are your 4 protestors that cared enough about the topic..
on a side note, i kind of like the chick with the red bangs.
That's an interesting stat. But still, Heinz is set perfectly for them as long as they keep getting the capital improvements/maintenance. It has luxury boxes, club seating, and the all important North Shore development.
Unless something nuclear happens with the city/county, I don't see a move happening or even being considered for at least 30 years.
Pittsburgh showed their anger with the dog killer signing.. really was an eye opening display that showed how important this topic really is.. ladies and gentlemen, here are your 4 protestors that cared enough about the topic..
on a side note, i kind of like the chick with the red bangs.
the girl on the far right is my wife
the red banged tats is my mistress......
Easy access to I-79 and the PA turnpike and not that far from I-80 and they wouldn't have to deal with the SEA and Allegheny County. You think Butler County would benefit from the revenue the Steelers would bring to Cranberry? $$$ Washington County has I-79 and I-70. I think both counties would give the Steelers a sweetheart deal.
Isn't it always Joe Pennsylvania taxpayer in one way/shape or another whether he wants to or not?
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