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Bottom line is this. I don't think Narduzzi woke up the other morning and boom decided to suspend these kids. Without ANY knowledge (except what happened with Bookser) The other 3 kids were given many chances to "Clean up their act" but chose not to. Then push came to shove and they were suspended. That is that. I think if there was any way Narduzzi could have lessened the suspension he would have. Let's stop blaming everyone except the kids.
 
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The worst scandal n the history of American sports happened at Penn St., under the leadership of Joseph Vincent Paterno. How is it that the Cult is able to pretend it never happened or was some kind of media witch hunt to ruin the kindly old man who built libraries? Where does that level of condescension and arrogance even come from? I mean, the entire country finds Penn St. and its fans/grads to be morally reprehensible.

That is the same program that had players clean the stadium instead of dealing with a situation when players.got in trouble. That is the same program where the head football coach was allowed to drive out Vicky Triponey because she had the nerve to try and discipline the renegade football players who were beyond the law at PSU.
 
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I think it's funny that people are trying blame everyone but the kids. They know the rules, whether the rules are stupid or not. Life is like that. You have to take ownership one day.
 
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Not true. Lets be honest NFL teams could care less what these guys do off the field as long as it doesn't prevent them from being studs on the field. but they are not going to like seeing a guy not playing football because of off the field issues because it means he has a repeated behavior which has kept him from playing, if its weed the NFL test as well and it will keep him from playing in the NFL as well.
I think NFL teams realize Pitt doesn't take the sport seriously, and the administration gets its jollies throwing its flab around time keep "hand" over the unwashed jocks. If a weed thing, Whitehead would have never ever been suspended in a real program. They'd be mildly worried he didn't know how to time it or mask it to avoid the (predictable) tests. But they know he's a solid talent already and likely have slotted him in where he'd most likely go in a draft even now.

But if steroids, I do agree that they'd look twice at him getting busted steroids though. Not because they'd care what he's doing to himself ... in fact they'd be all for his attempts to bulk. Heck, it could well be he was taking steroids because someone, perhaps accross the hallway on the SS, advised him to start getting bigger as the NFL approaches. But theyd be concerned he was foolish enough to do it sloppily. That kind of thing costs teams money. And that's the bottom line.
 
This is going to be difficult for pitt to deal with. Then again, no one ever said that Success With Honor was easy to achieve.

I will admit that "Success With Honor" is not easy to achieve. I mean, where else in society can you find that many imbeciles and rubes so willing to swallow a slogan that is nothing more than bullshit? The rest of the country now sees "Success With Honor" for the phony propaganda it always was.

Again, the worst scandal in the history of American sports happened under the auspices of "Success With Honor."
 
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Penn State education on high display in this thread.
Our sycophant mods for the Pittsburgh media even more so. The ban hammer should have been swinging like Thor the last two days slamming these death deserving pedophiles into the digital sewer. Instead they're allowed to run wild.

Hope it's worth it Peak.
 
This is going to be difficult for pitt to deal with. Then again, no one ever said that Success With Honor was easy to achieve.

True. Look at PissU. There hasn't been honor there for decades let alone success. That's a cesspool up there.

It's very hypocritical and arrogant of you to even post your garbage on this board. Your so-called football program is and always will be a disgrace, all because of your former and dead and decaying head coach and his underlings. Everyone outside of Crappy Valley knows the facts and looks down on your school for these reasons. You will never live it down, no matter what your shit team does on the field.

If there was any decency at PissU and any concern for the welfare of those young boys, now young men, the PissU football program would have been shut down for at least 10 years. That didn't happen. So if by some chance PissU beats Pitt on the football field, it won't mean a thing and won't be valid in my books. Pitt will still would have won because we aren't PissU. And that is something to be very thankful for, if you're a Pitt fan.
 
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The NCAA requires schools to follow their own drug testing policy. So for example if Pitt's drug policy calls for 3 game suspension for a failed drug test they must be suspended for 3 games. The coaches and school have no discretion in altering the penalty.

You nailed it.
 
Let's see what the suspension is


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What's on their depth chart? Likely at least 2 or 3 Four to Five Star guys. That makes it easy to deal "justice". If he's too great a player to give up, nothing short of actual murder (and perhaps not even that) would warrant any time away. If he's only merely a good player and has been a real pain in the ass to the staff and especially if the guy behind him would be an immediate upgrade, he'll get something.

The diff at Pitt is we are foolishly indiscriminate in our discipline (and academics, considering the utter bullshit going on with Ford), far beyond our supposed peers.
 
A complete fabrication.
how boring does your life have to be if you are not only attending THON but drinking before in preparation of it.. I know happy valley is light on entertainment outside of football season but isn't there anything better to do? Some sort of winery festival or something?
 
how boring does your life have to be if you are not only attending THON but drinking before in preparation of it.. I know happy valley is light on entertainment outside of football season but isn't there anything better to do? Some sort of winery festival or something?


There was no boredom, because it never happened.
 
If a PissU player were caught raping a little boy, I'm sure given the morals at PissU, he'd be lauded as a stud and given no punishment whatsoever. That's just the way it is up there in that cesspool.

We're a bit different at Pitt. We actually have standards that our players and students have to live up to. If they don't meet those standards, there are consequences. Apparently, PissU has no standards except to not get caught and to cover up anything and everything if it would hurt the program.
 
Not true. Lets be honest NFL teams could care less what these guys do off the field as long as it doesn't prevent them from being studs on the field. but they are not going to like seeing a guy not playing football because of off the field issues because it means he has a repeated behavior which has kept him from playing, if its weed the NFL test as well and it will keep him from playing in the NFL as well.
Agree with you.

Although this is not as graphic as the Mississippi kid, Tunstall, smoking weed in the gas mask (which cost him millions), this just can not do anything but hurt a player who has this history, as the NFL takes weed use very seriously.

It also may mean that Whitehead will need to return for his senior year to have a full year of good performance going into the draft.
 
Why does PITT even bother to play football its the same story each year regardless of the HC, AD, or Chancelor.
This will lock us in for another 6-6 or maybe is get real lucky 8-4, but probably a 7-5 year.

If all these guys were available we had a shot at 9-3 maybe 10-2.

I wonder why Mrs Buffett and I bother to drive 600rt, spend thousands on hotel, food, tickets, tailgates, travel & other expenses when the PITT football team isn't responsible enough to avoid being suspended.

I have no idea but if its drug related especially young people have to avoid being mislead by the misleading media who gives people the impression drug possession & use is "kool" and the in thing to do.when its actually illegal and a crime in most states. And the states that legalized recreational pot are now rethinking the plan since its caused many companies to a void locating in that state. Even though pot is legal a user is still subject to DUI and employer drug testing. DUI's are way up in the states where pot is legalized!
 
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Why does PITT even bother to play football its the same story each year regardless of the HC, AD, or Chancelor.
This will lock us in for another 6-6 or maybe is get real lucky 8-4, but probably a 7-5 year.

If all these guys were available we had a shot at 9-3 maybe 10-2.

I wonder why Mrs Buffett and I bother to drive 600rt, spend thousands on hotel, food, tickets, tailgates, travel & other expenses when the PITT football team isn't responsible enough to avoid being suspended.

I have no idea but if its drug related especially young people have to avoid being mislead by the misleading media who gives people the impression drug possession & use is "kool" and the in thing to do.when its actually illegal and a crime in most states. And the states that legalized recreational pot are now rethinking the plan since its caused many companies to a void locating in that state. Even though pot is legal a user is still subject to DUI and employer drug testing. DUI's are way up in the states where pot is legalized!
This sadly is the prevailing question about our programs every year ... why do they bother. Instead of happy questions about prospects for championships.
 
The reason you can't smoke weed in the casinos is because their licensing is done at the federal level.

As far as being technically illegal you are correct, but that's much more in theory than in practice. There's a reason why I see 5 billboards on my to work advertising "legal" weed.
For all intents and purposes it's legal in the states that have voted it in, and their numbers are only going to grow with each election cycle.

Rethinking legal pot: Washington, Colorado
I dont think you understand what legalizing recreational pot means.

People in states that have legalied pot are still subject to DUI's, arrest and conviction. They're also subject to employer routine or random drug testing and will lose their if they exceed the limited established for their professions.

In states where its legalized they can only possess and use pot in specified locations. If the amount of pot exceeds a limit they're subject to arrest and conviction.
Its not a like you can buy, possess, and smoke pot anywhere???

Do some research. The governor of Colorado has said publically the legalization of pot has hurt the state regarding jobs. Companies with plans to move to CO have canceled or delayed those plans, and companies within the state are having trouble hiring new employees because they fail the drug and alcohol testing. In addition terminations have increased in CO as employees fail random drug testing so the state has resorted to hiring people from neighboring states where POT isnt legal!

My company in addition to other businesses has mining operations in CO. We've curtailed a large mine expansion and moved that program to Montana where pot isnt legal. In many industries weekly and monthly drug testing is commonplace. In addition we've begun to hire people from neighboring states to avoid the employee drug testing issues. The results of random and routine drug testing are reviewed by MSHA and OSHA which are federal employee/employer safety review programs. If a companies failure rate is high there are consequences.
 
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I dont think you understand what legalizing recreational pot means.
People in states that have legalied pot are still subject to DUI's, arrest and conviction. They're also subject to employer routine or random drug testing and will lose their if they exceed the limited established for their professions.
Do some research. The governor of Colorado has said publically the legalization of pot has hurt the state regarding jobs. Companies with plans to move to CO have canceled or delayed those plans, and companies within the state are having trouble hiring new employees because they fail the drug and alcohol testing. In addition terminations have increased in CO as employees fail random drug testing so the state has resorted to hiring people from neighboring states where POT isnt legal! We have mining operations in CO and we've curtailed a large mine expansion and moved that program to Montana where pot isnt legal. In many industries weekly and monthly drug testing is commonplace.
I see both sides of this, but ultimately come down on the point that its hypocrisy that recreational alcohol and tobacco is legal but marijuana isn't. And since prohibition of the former proved untenable, I ultimately fall on surrendering to legalizing and regulating the latter. It's a shame a sizable subset humans can't seem to control themselves from abusing ANY of these things, which is the REAL source of the difficulties (lack of personal control), ... if not these things, people would find other things to get high on, many beyond control ... but it's how it is.
 
Maybe so but that is like Arizona saying building a wall would be bad for jobs.

Look I light up quite frequently but am self employed.

I dont think you understand what legalizing recreational pot means.

People in states that have legalied pot are still subject to DUI's, arrest and conviction. They're also subject to employer routine or random drug testing and will lose their if they exceed the limited established for their professions.

In states where its legalized they can only possess and use pot in specified locations. If the amount of pot exceeds a limit they're subject to arrest and conviction.
Its not a like you can buy, possess, and smoke pot anywhere???

Do some research. The governor of Colorado has said publically the legalization of pot has hurt the state regarding jobs. Companies with plans to move to CO have canceled or delayed those plans, and companies within the state are having trouble hiring new employees because they fail the drug and alcohol testing. In addition terminations have increased in CO as employees fail random drug testing so the state has resorted to hiring people from neighboring states where POT isnt legal!

My company in addition to other businesses has mining operations in CO. We've curtailed a large mine expansion and moved that program to Montana where pot isnt legal. In many industries weekly and monthly drug testing is commonplace. In addition we've begun to hire people from neighboring states to avoid the employee drug testing issues. The results of random and routine drug testing are reviewed by MSHA and OSHA which are federal employee/employer safety review programs. If a companies failure rate is high there are consequences.
 
Maybe so but that is like Arizona saying building a wall would be bad for jobs.

Look I light up quite frequently but am self employed.
But you're still subject to the law and if you get stopped and its DUI level you're cooked so to speak.


Not to get into the wall debate but its the opposite for jobs. More jobs for Americans and wages will rise but dont start a wall thread please. I just responded to the info in your post.
And yes Amercians will take those jobs because they will be forced to or lose unemployment benefits. Back in the day we all did those jobs are are way up the ladder (picking fruit, janitor, maid, sweat shop mfg) its the first wrung on the ladder.
 
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Maybe so but that is like Arizona saying building a wall would be bad for jobs.

Look I light up quite frequently but am self employed.
Let me give u an example of the flip side of that coin.
Again at our CO mining location we were hiring a mining engineer and U of CO has a great mining engineering program.
We thought we had this great candidate female, top of her class, starting salary $55k, until she failed her pre employment drug test.
She said she lights up under the legal program alot, but it didnt seem that she understood the implications of smoking pot.
Great but guess what she wont get a job in her field unless she stops smoking. Pot stay in the system for up to 6 weeks after use! We had no discretion once she failed the test. Drug testing results become part of the permanent record as long as the employee is with the company.
Plus she would be subject to random drug testing since she would be working in the mining environment, with large equipment, explosives, precise mine planning to prevent slides and collaspes, etc.
Most companies in the mining industry have policy not to interview any person who has failed a pre employment drug & alcohol test or rehire someone who failed a random drug & alcohoal test.
If anything ever happened causing serious injury or death the first thing an attorney would look at are drug & alcohol test history and post incident drug & alcohol test results. Sometimes after an incident they drug & alcohol test as medical assitance is being rendered!
 
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blair gone
whitehead and wirginis get 3 games each
bookser 1 game.

Could be an ugly September boys
This happens every day at 'Bama, tOSU, Clemson, etc, but those programs are where they are because they are SMART enough to cover it up and not STUPID enough to punish themselves.
 
Rethinking legal pot: Washington, Colorado
I dont think you understand what legalizing recreational pot means.

People in states that have legalied pot are still subject to DUI's, arrest and conviction. They're also subject to employer routine or random drug testing and will lose their if they exceed the limited established for their professions.

In states where its legalized they can only possess and use pot in specified locations. If the amount of pot exceeds a limit they're subject to arrest and conviction.
Its not a like you can buy, possess, and smoke pot anywhere???

Do some research. The governor of Colorado has said publically the legalization of pot has hurt the state regarding jobs. Companies with plans to move to CO have canceled or delayed those plans, and companies within the state are having trouble hiring new employees because they fail the drug and alcohol testing. In addition terminations have increased in CO as employees fail random drug testing so the state has resorted to hiring people from neighboring states where POT isnt legal!

My company in addition to other businesses has mining operations in CO. We've curtailed a large mine expansion and moved that program to Montana where pot isnt legal. In many industries weekly and monthly drug testing is commonplace. In addition we've begun to hire people from neighboring states to avoid the employee drug testing issues. The results of random and routine drug testing are reviewed by MSHA and OSHA which are federal employee/employer safety review programs. If a companies failure rate is high there are consequences.


You and your company's visions are woefully outdated and will be obsolete within a generation or less.

The tax revenue generated from marijuana sales in Nevada goes to improving their lousy school system, it's early but lawmakers are thrilled with the money produced so far. There will be zero companies not doing business in NV because of the marijuana regulations that were passed by a large margin by the voters.

Most businesses are much more enamored with the friendly tax environment in Nevada than they are with some archaic marijuana laws. Tourism is already at a record high, legal marijuana can only be a boon to these numbers. I know I voted in favor of the amendment, and I'm not even a smoker.
 
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You and your company's visions are woefully outdated and will be obsolete within a generation or less.

The tax revenue generated from marijuana sales in Nevada goes to improving their lousy school system, it's early but lawmakers are thrilled with the money produced so far. There will be zero companies not doing business in NV because of the marijuana regulations that were passed by a large margin by the voters.

Most businesses are much more enamored with the friendly tax environment in Nevada than they are with some archaic marijuana laws. Tourism is already at a record high, legal marijuana can only be a boon to these numbers. I know I voted in favor of the amendment, and I'm not even a smoker.
Its true about pot revenues but the problems associated with legal pot are massive for companies in the mfg. or mining business which are the good jobs ( high pay, 401k's, and healthcare ) in that region!
The tax environment Nevada does attract business and would attract more business if it wasnt for the issues surrounding the legalization of pot.
Companies can do nothing about drug and alcohol testing regulations and requirements.
Mining companies and other heavy mfg ( the good jobs) in Nevada are struggling like in CO and Washington St.
We have mfging in CO, Nevada, Montana, CA,and Washington St and they all have similar problems that the federal government MSHA, and OSHA impose on them!
There are also issues with DUI as people from neighboring states by pot and move it to other states plus the black market.
Google black market in states legalizing pot.
 
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You and your company's visions are woefully outdated and will be obsolete within a generation or less.

The tax revenue generated from marijuana sales in Nevada goes to improving their lousy school system, it's early but lawmakers are thrilled with the money produced so far. There will be zero companies not doing business in NV because of the marijuana regulations that were passed by a large margin by the voters.

Most businesses are much more enamored with the friendly tax environment in Nevada than they are with some archaic marijuana laws. Tourism is already at a record high, legal marijuana can only be a boon to these numbers. I know I voted in favor of the amendment, and I'm not even a smoker.
It not the company that out to date. The problem is that federal standards are set up where marijuana is still illegal regardless of local law. Companies who are regulated by the federal government (i.e. mining for example) must uphold those regulations. Do you think if a person is killed in job site accident and the person responsible tests positive for marijuana that OSHA is just going to ignore it because it legal there? So people in general have to be aware of that. My company does a ton of federal contracts. Employees have been notified that they still must follow federal and companies policies. Until legalization is done on a federal level you are going to run into these problems.
 
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Next man up and hopefully the rest of the squad learn from this as well and know what not to do. In the long run, it's best for the team and the program.
 
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