Well league minimum for him looks to be 1.125 mil for 2024. He's not likely to ever be a big time guy but his value is higher than that even if that goes up.
40 million a year
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Yeah I was going to say Darnold would be making a huge mistake by coming here. He go back to being a mediocre Qb with the steeelers.
I think he’ll do the smart thing and resign with the Vikings unless he can find another team that pays him more and has an equally talented offense and OC. He might sacrifice a few million by resigning with the Vikes but I doubt there’s a better place to continue playing at a high level
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Lol, he was on pace for 73 receptions, 867 yards, and 7 TDs before Carolina traded him. I think the Ravens just wanted him as insurance in case one of their guys got hurt.
What was your alternative? Good QBs aren't available. The offensive coaching staff is bad and the head coaches' view on offense is even worse so getting the best out of a QB is virtually impossible. Would you have felt better if they signed Kirk Cousins to that deal instead and he performed like he did in Atlanta? The Steelers upgraded their QB room at minimal cost, it worked for a bit but in the end Tomlin's team looked like it always does anymore. Luckily they aren't locked into a bad contract.
Taking everything into consideration; lack of a plan, lack of acquiring players, head, scratching coaching decisions… Jesus, the Steelers are becoming more and more like the Pirates every day.
Tomlin and Austin are not good defensive coaches. They could learn a thing or two from Dan Campbell and Aaron Glenn. Half of their starters are on IR including their best pass rusher Hutchison. Yet, here they are tonight shutting down a high powered Vikings offense. The Steelers have fewer injuries and higher pedigree players that make way more money but, their scheme is predictable and the performance unacceptable.
That’s a weird interpretation of what I said. I’m still waiting for who your answer at QB would’ve been for this season.
I've mentioned it before but the Texans have won their Division and a playoff game with 2 separate coach/QBs in the time the Steelers have last won a playoff game.
They should have kept Pickett, hired a competent OC, added better WRs and fixed the oline. There's isn't a coherent reason to add an old, washed up bum like RW to an overall roster this bad. Based on how they handled Pickett, they have no clue if the could win big with him or not. But we know the floor was likely going to be in the 10-7 range with him at QB this season. They should have known RW and/or JF wasn't moving the needle for this team. It was silly to think otherwise.
The long term solution was to trade TJ and Minkah 2 or 3 or 4 years ago for picks and package those picks for a top QB. Now, they missed that window for peak value.
The stillers are in NFL purgatory due to their awful assessments and developments of players. Here's how bad it's been, the 2017 first round pick was last first round pick to have their 5 year option picked up. The next first rounder who could be picked up is Jones, there isn't any guarantee that he will be worth that option.
I agree about the OC, WRs, and OL. I don't think that was enough. They should've moved on from Tomlin after last season. His philosophy is a big reason why the offense has been dreadful for years. But Pickett did have a chance to stay in looking back, he would've had a chance to lock down the job with good play while Wilson missed the start of the season. We all know Tomlin will only keep disgruntled players if they are able to produce.
The Steelers could've accumulated picks to move up for a QB--at the expense of also having an awful defense--but then you put the QB in the hands of a head coach who doesn't understand how to develop a QB or an offense. There is a common theme here as to why the Steelers are stuck in mediocrity.
The stillers messed up when they guaranteed RW the job. If I'm Pickett, and my employer is lying to me, I'm asking to move on as well. It wasn't just Pickett, they lied to Mason Rudolph as well.
If the stillers look this dysfunctional to the general public, Aditi Kinkhabwala was probably accurate when she said, "If you even knew half of what he was dealing with here...."
If Pickett played better in 2023 they never would've signed Wilson. It isn't lying, it's bringing it the best players they can bring in. You didn't see Elandon Roberts crying after they signed Patrick Queen and then drafted Payton Wilson.
I don't buy that explanation. I think they legitimately believed that they could plug Wilson into the lineup and win a Super Bowl. They had stars in their eyes and were willing to turn the franchise upside down to do it. And that isn't an argument that Pickett just needed more time or wasn't as bad as his stats. So now they don't have a QB on the roster going into next season and will likely go really cheap for a castoff or just do the lazy thing like they always do and give Fields a contract they really can't justify. It will be a bargain compared to any other option but it will be the easiest thing to do and maintain mediocrity.
No way did they believe they could actually win a Super Bowl with Wilson. I do believe they thought he could win a playoff game and he can, but a lot will have to go right on Saturday night for that to happen. In no way did they turn the franchise upside down to do this. They spent nothing on two QBs.
Until they have a QB of the future, it doesn't make sense to spend a lot on the position. Giving a smaller contract is the shrewd move. It's not exactly easy to acquire a quality quarterback, especially when the coaching staff doesn't understand how to set up an environment for a QB to thrive.
Which is it? They upset the entire apple cart to get Wilson just to win a playoff game or they don't have the team to win anything so there isn't a good reason to bother with getting a quality QB? I don't think it's possible to argue both ways even though in reality, you're probably more right about the them not needing to pay for a quality QB, but we're talking last spring when they're turning the QB room over.
He was told they were bringing in a QB to complete with him. Then they brought in RW and told him RW was the starter. That's not an opinion. They also told MR he's was coming back. He was in town to sign his new contract when the stillers blew him off.
Regardless, in 2022 and 2023 the stillers expected (hoped) a rookie/2nd QB could bail them out from their awful mismanagement of the franchise.
2024, in their delusional beliefs that they were "close" to a Super Bowl, they rolled the dice on a washed up bum. It's comical on both fronts.
2025, it's gong to be the same mess.
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If you go back to really early threads on RW/JF, many people including myself thought it was stupid because they weren't "a QB away". And a year later, they would be in same situation- needing another bargain basement patch at QB. The move is shrewd if they have no interest in ever winning another championship.
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Their plan to spend a #1 on a QB and develop him.
So what apple cart did they upset there? They shipped off a QB who wasn’t as good as they thought when they drafted him.
This is like talking in circles. How would they know given the circumstances they dropped a rookie QB into? Which is the point. No one has any idea if KP will be successful or not in the NFL.
Even in an improved environment RW and JF both have largely sucked. The next guy, will likely suck. The guy after that, will probably suck as well.
It's funny how "steeler nation" is just a delusional as the pedst losers.
Here's what we know:
- Players aren't developing
- Offensive scheme issues across 2 coordinators and a half dozen QBs
- Defense can't play zone because they can't communicate
- Good players often on bench, coaches late to pivot to them
- Inability to identify the right QB or get productive QB play for more than a few games at a time
- No HCs ever hired from either OC or DC which Tomlin hired
- Negative point differential in 4 of the last 6 years
- No playoff wins since what, 2016? 2015?
These are persistent, catastrophic, issues going back 5+ years. It doesn't matter who they plug in at coordinator, OL, QB, WR, LB, etc., the problems persist.
The facts are the facts and the conclusion is pretty straightforward: Mike Tomlin doesn't have the answers. He can do his job just enough for a 10 win team and a blowout playoff loss but no more.
Tomlin reminds me of a high functioning alcoholic. He can trick some of the people some of the time, but the longer this goes on the clearer it becomes for everyone. He's not the guy. Sorry. I hate sound ungrateful and I'm not. But 15 years ago is a freaking eternity at this point. I don't think we have to worship a guy who beats his chest when he beats lesser QBs before getting obliterated in all meaningful games.
- Players aren't developing
- Offensive scheme issues across 2 coordinators and a half dozen QBs
- Defense can't play zone because they can't communicate
- Good players often on bench, coaches late to pivot to them
- Inability to identify the right QB or get productive QB play for more than a few games at a time
- No HCs ever hired from either OC or DC which Tomlin hired
- Negative point differential in 4 of the last 6 years
- No playoff wins since what, 2016? 2015?
These are persistent, catastrophic, issues going back 5+ years. It doesn't matter who they plug in at coordinator, OL, QB, WR, LB, etc., the problems persist.
The facts are the facts and the conclusion is pretty straightforward: Mike Tomlin doesn't have the answers. He can do his job just enough for a 10 win team and a blowout playoff loss but no more.
Tomlin reminds me of a high functioning alcoholic. He can trick some of the people some of the time, but the longer this goes on the clearer it becomes for everyone. He's not the guy. Sorry. I hate sound ungrateful and I'm not. But 15 years ago is a freaking eternity at this point. I don't think we have to worship a guy who beats his chest when he beats lesser QBs before getting obliterated in all meaningful games.
What exactly did they upset? They gave up nothing to get him and was a veteran minimum salary. It literally cost the team nothing. Again, where are they getting a quality QB, they simply aren't available.
It's professional sports. This happens in professional sports all the time. Teams always look to upgrade rosters and if you can get Russell Wilson over Mason Rudolph, you do it. But yes, we can agree on their management of a young QB was awful.
Teams are always in this situation when they don't have a QB. It's not unique to Pittsburgh. Their issue is they never draft high enough to get one.
The way Pickett played and acted, there is literally only one positive reason for Steelers fans to still have wanted him here. Right now we wouldn’t have to hear about Tomlin’s streak of non-losing seasons anymore.
What did you actually witness about how he acted. You read a story that was refuted by multiple people in the know. Believe what you want but at this point Pickett can no longer be the fuel of yinzer misery.
But that is in part because the Texans play in such a crappy division. In the last 15 years the teams in the Texans' division have combined to finish above .500 exactly once. If you had two identical football teams and over the last 15 years one played in the AFC North and the other played in the AFC South the one playing in the AFC South would have a much better overall record, would have won their division far more often, would have made the playoffs far more often, and because of their better record would have played lesser opponents in the playoff making them more likely to actually win playoff games. Even though they were the exact same teams.
None of that is to excuse what the Stillers have become, but it's been a lot easier for the Texans to make the playoffs and get a better seed than it has been for the Stillers for a very long time now.
Ok Mr. Dulac
Former Steelers general manager defends Kenny Pickett's time in Pittsburgh: He 'gave us everything he had'
Kevin Colbert went to bat for the quarterback he drafted in 2022
www.cbssports.com
Sorry man, I never spent any time reading or worrying about any of those media stories supposedly trashing him so that’s not even remotely close to what I’m referring to with how he acted. I’m going more by what you, Joey and others herein say about how it all went down, which paints a worse picture of his antics.
You are way off base, I never spent anytime worrying about any of those stories you’re referring to from Mr. Dulac or whomever. I don’t ever waste anytime with rumor mill crap.Ok Mr. Dulac
Former Steelers general manager defends Kenny Pickett's time in Pittsburgh: He 'gave us everything he had'
Kevin Colbert went to bat for the quarterback he drafted in 2022
What did I actually say??? I'm curious. I remember saying he was lied to and trashed around here?!!! Not really sure you can hitch your wagon to that.
They had cheap, serviceable QB's that were under contract and willing to stay with the organization and instead, they have to figure the QB room out again before next season. The point is that they were all in on Wilson because they thought they could win something with him and now that it looks like that was a bust, they're going to have to overpay Fields or someone else to be just as bad.
I don't dispute that but the Texans beat the hell out of us last year and romped against the Browns in the playoffs so it's not like they're a hopeless loser team that only made the playoffs because of NFL DEI. Both iterations - the Watson/O'Brien and Stroud/Ryans - were good rosters top to bottom and would have been extremely dangerous AFC North teams that competed for a Division title here.
The overall point is that it's possible to get to where Tomlin is now from the absolute bottom of the NFL. There's no reason to settle for 10-7 and a curb stomping should you narrowly luck into January football just because you're afraid of taking dramatic steps in an effort to get better.
Steelers were 8-2, they had complete control of possibly heading to the playoffs with a bye, and they were talking about Tomlin being coach of the year. At that point, you could even forgive the two terrible losses to non-playoff teams. But they went 2-5 the rest of the way and now look like a joke. Settling for a 10-7 record after an 8-2 start is not just a sign that they may not be that good but that there is serious disfunction behind the scenes. Look at how Pickens carried on last Saturday. Just imagine the BS you can't see.
If you are Kenny Pickett, I make the same exact decision that he did to get out of town. he watched and knew that Mason Rudolph outplay him and Mitch Trubisky in training camp, then got really good to the bench because Mike Tomlin just has his mind made up about what a quarterback is supposed to do as opposed to the results on the field. And he knows that once Mike Tomlin gives up on you, there’s no way that you can successfully wade through adversity. The ability for a young quarterback to go through adversity and come back is the number one most important thing when developing a quarterback, and Mike Tomlin has never shown a patience to do that( see Mason Rudolph 2019-2023). To the point where Mike Tomlin lied to Mason twice about the organizations intentions first with a true completion in training camp (which he outplayed Mitch and Kenny ) then in free agency. Why would any qb especially a borderline one with middle tier attribute subject himself to that if you need competent coaching?? The right move was to keep Mason and Kenny and invest in another WR and some more OL and build on the end of the year last year in terms of offense. But you all wanted to run Mason and Kenny out for Russell and Fields who I said were NO BETTER THAN MASON in terms of fit. But one day you’ll learn. You’ve gotta get QB’s who can execute YOUR SCHEME not collect old quarterbacks who had success with a whole different scheme a decade ago. When will Yinzers and Steeler Nation find this out??? Smh
They invested more into the offensive line with their top two draft picks, although one got hurt. Khan had a massive failure in adding another starting receiver. I'd maybe pump the brakes on wanting to keep Mason Rudolph. He caught lightning in a bottle at the end of last season before regressing back to normal this year. I understand it was the Titans, but Rudolph was no more the answer than Fields/Wilson. Actually, the Steelers would probably be sitting at home this weekend if Rudolph was their QB.
With only 1 legit WR and a less efficient ground game compared to last season, Fields and Wilson combined for 21 passing TDs, 6 rushing TDs, and 8 turnovers (6 INTs, 2 fumbles).
Pickett and Rudolph had 9 passing TDs, 1 rushing TD, and 4 turnovers (4 INTs).
The Steelers got better production from their QBs over the course of the entire season. None of Pickett, Rudolph, Fields, and Wilson are long-term options. You also have a head coach that wants to minimize turnovers and win ugly so he doesn't trust his QBs to throw the ball. At this point it's just as much of a head coach problem as it is a personnel problem.
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