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As noted - Pickens is Not

I think it’s arguable, but it could be argued the Jets have more talent than the Steelers. And of course Vegas very clearly thought the Jets were better than the Steelers. They have a very good defense when healthy and all kinds of weapons on offense. But something is amiss. Probably Aaron. Actually likely it starts with him.
Vegas follows the money - and clearly a bunch of jet fanboys had misplaced confidence in a washed QB having some resurgence with another WR.

But - as I’ve noted consistently - WRs don’t make a QB look better .
QB play impacts WR play .

See the Tua-less dolphins or NE post Brady for evidence .
Hell - Amari Cooper looked bad with Watson at QB after looking like a force with Flacco , and again with Allen .
 
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Guess - another accusation without any evidence .
It’s getting predictable .

I did also say Kenny has 2 years of a rookie deal while fields is on his last .
So it would have made more sense financially and stability wise -
Rather than two new qb rooms two consecutive seasons in a row .
 
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Guess - another accusation without any evidence .
It’s getting predictable .

I did also say Kenny has 2 years of a rookie deal while fields is on his last .
So it would have made more sense financially and stability wise -
Rather than two new qb rooms two consecutive seasons in a row .
It’s not an accusation, it’s factual, as the receipts are all over these boards. I know because I defended Pickett and you were right there with me every step of the way. It’s ok, self awareness has never been your thing.
 
It’s not an accusation, it’s factual, as the receipts are all over these boards. I know because I defended Pickett and you were right there with me every step of the way. It’s ok, self awareness has never been your thing.
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You won’t
 
He was interfered with all night
It seemed worse than ever , but I have noticed it in some other games this year. It wasn't that long ago the refs were calling every little bit of contact, now it seems they have hung all over him and no call, did I miss something over the last couple years about changing PI?
 
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You won’t
Of course I won’t. Why would I dig through 1000’s of pages for you? I did just 2 weeks ago, you pretended that you didn’t see them, and I wasted my time. I’ve learned my lesson. And you showed once and for all that you’re not to be taken seriously.
 
Of course I won’t. Why would I dig through 1000’s of pages for you? I did just 2 weeks ago, you pretended that you didn’t see them, and I wasted my time. I’ve learned my lesson. And you showed once and for all that you’re not to be taken seriously.
I didn’t see it .
What was the thread?
 
It seemed worse than ever , but I have noticed it in some other games this year. It wasn't that long ago the refs were calling every little bit of contact, now it seems they have hung all over him and no call, did I miss something over the last couple years about changing PI?
Tons of contact before the catch .
It was glaring
 
I think it’s arguable, but it could be argued the Jets have more talent than the Steelers. And of course Vegas very clearly thought the Jets were better than the Steelers. They have a very good defense when healthy and all kinds of weapons on offense. But something is amiss. Probably Aaron. Actually likely it starts with him.
He looks washed up. He might still have the arm talent but he’s now a statue and the injuries along the OL are not helping

Also they only had one of their staring DBs playing How would the Steeler D look with Just Porter playing
 
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Amazing what even bad offenses can do against a depleted defense

I wouldn’t spike the football now. Let’s see how they do against legit defenses and teams
Yeah it’s a really weird take from the OP. Like, whats his point? We know George is a problem. How do we know? Well, we saw video of his routes not being run. We saw TDs and 1st downs going through his hands. And he was benched. So the guy(s) in charge saw that he was a problem. Those are all facts and it’s not just fan banter when Tomlin and Smith themselves take the best offensive weapon off the field for more than half the snaps.

Will he be a problem moving forward? Let’s hope he got the message. Gotta keep George happy and get him the ball. But George has to hold up his end of the bargain too, like be dependable in his routes and with his hands.
 
Yeah it’s a really weird take from the OP. Like, whats his point? We know George is a problem. How do we know? Well, we saw video of his routes not being run. We saw TDs and 1st downs going through his hands. And he was benched. So the guy(s) in charge saw that he was a problem. Those are all facts and it’s not just fan banter when Tomlin and Smith themselves take the best offensive weapon off the field for more than half the snaps.

Will he be a problem moving forward? Let’s hope he got the message. Gotta keep George happy and get him the ball. But George has to hold up his end of the bargain too, like be dependable in his routes and with his hands.
Leading receiver two years in row
He’s not
You continue to be wrong

Fields inability to throw is a fields problem exclusively .
 
The limited route tree is a function of the OC, not Pickens. He's a great talent...one of the best in the league at contested catches
It is still just two months into Smith's tenure, taking over an offense from an OC who had no business managing an NFL passing offense running into the ground for nearly 3 years. AND, his focus until now was building an offense to suit a QB is about as much a running back as he is a passer.

Now, Smith likes and MT wants a run heavy offense, so it won't be air raid out there for sure. But, I am holding out hope that if Russ keeps playing at a reasonable level, Smith will start to expand the passing game, to include using Pickens more extensively and in more ways.
 
Leading receiver two years in row
He’s not
You continue to be wrong

Fields inability to throw is a fields problem exclusively .
You’re really having a hard time with this. He can be a problem and still lead the team statistically and be its best receiver. He’s Farmer Ted. You realize that right? Otherwise he wouldn’t have been benched.


Of course you know all this. You’re just purposely being obtuse.
 
Can someone tell me what the F Khan is doing ?

These teams actually try to win , while we sit around.

 
And the Steelers draft china doll midget receivers year after year.
Lets pick another OL first round next year, or of course LB.
Brian Thomas would sure look good opposite Pickens now with Russ.
Maybe we could actually score some points , to actually win a friggin playoff game once a decade.
 
And the Steelers draft china doll midget receivers year after year.
Lets pick another OL first round next year, or of course LB.
Brian Thomas would sure look good opposite Pickens now with Russ.
Maybe we could actually score some points , to actually win a friggin playoff game once a decade.
There is speculation that links the steelers to Cooper Cupp…which is odd to me because he’s better as a slot guy and as you said we need someone opposite George. But then again, maybe Smith is quite comfortable not having someone opposite George.
 
There is speculation that links the steelers to Cooper Cupp…which is odd to me because he’s better as a slot guy and as you said we need someone opposite George. But then again, maybe Smith is quite comfortable not having someone opposite George.
Cupp would be huge. Hes gets open and will allow the the use the middle of the field. Dude is a far better and more polished receiver than Pickens. Against good defenses Pickens one trick pony down the sidle-lines routes can be minimized and or shut down. With a guy like cup defenses would have to defend the entire field

Problem is Cupp has been hurt a lot the last two years. Otherwise I’m not sure why the Rams would trade him ? Isn’t their other good wr hurt too the kid from BYu
 
You’re really having a hard time with this. He can be a problem and still lead the team statistically and be its best receiver. He’s Farmer Ted. You realize that right? Otherwise he wouldn’t have been benched.


Of course you know all this. You’re just purposely being obtuse.
He’s not a problem for this offense .
It’s that simple .
Fields got benched because he’s a JV level QB who limits the offense .
 
Cupp would be huge. Hes gets open and will allow the the use the middle of the field. Dude is a far better and more polished receiver than Pickens. Against good defenses Pickens one trick pony down the sidle-lines routes can be minimized and or shut down. With a guy like cup defenses would have to defend the entire field

Problem is Cupp has been hurt a lot the last two years. Otherwise I’m not sure why the Rams would trade him ? Isn’t their other good wr hurt too the kid from BYu
I am not against Cupp. And it’s not like he doesn’t already line up in the slot. He just doesnt do it as much. My concern is his injuries and whether he’d be a fit for a QB who doesn’t use the middle of the field for whatever reason. But maybe with a guy like him they can.
 
He’s not a problem for this offense .
It’s that simple .
Fields got benched because he’s a JV level QB who limits the offense .
Fields was benched because Russell was the starter. That’s what you told me a week ago. Did you forget? And while Fields is flawed, it would have been really tough benching a guy who could have been undefeated or at worst one lose if George did his job to his potential.

I don’t know how you refuse that George could be the best receiver on the team and still be a problem at the same time. AB was the best receiver maybe in franchise history, yet he was a problem they couldn’t deal with anymore. Both can be true. The Steelers acknowledged George as a problem and are actively trying to fix it. That’s it. Enjoy your pics of George when you go home tonight.
 
I am not against Cupp. And it’s not like he doesn’t already line up in the slot. He just doesnt do it as much. My concern is his injuries and whether he’d be a fit for a QB who doesn’t use the middle of the field for whatever reason. But maybe with a guy like him they can.
Yeah you have to wonder if its Russ who is the reason why they don’t use the middle or if it’s that they don’t have anyone to throw to over the middle.

The passes Russ is throwing is exactly the Same as those he threw with Denver. There were some stats on him at Denver that said the vast majority of his passes were within 5 yards of the Los with the occasional deep throw. Thats exactly what they did Sunday night

As an aside the Steelers are due for their annual Medicore Mike let down game against an inferior team. The game against a bad Gman team might just be it
 
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Fields was benched because Russell was the starter. That’s what you told me a week ago. Did you forget? And while Fields is flawed, it would have been really tough benching a guy who could have been undefeated or at worst one lose if George did his job to his potential.

I don’t know how you refuse that George could be the best receiver on the team and still be a problem at the same time. AB was the best receiver maybe in franchise history, yet he was a problem they couldn’t deal with anymore. Both can be true. The Steelers acknowledged George as a problem and are actively trying to fix it. That’s it. Enjoy your pics of George when you go home tonight.
Fields can’t score enough points

if you think WRs make the QB instead of the QB making the WR- you’re always wrong .

Enjoy your Mason Rudolph Blow up doll .
 
Yeah you have to wonder if its Russ who is the reason why they don’t use the middle or if it’s that they don’t have anyone to throw to over the middle.

The passes Russ is throwing is exactly the Same as those he threw with Denver. There were some stats on him at Denver that said the vast majority of his passes were within 5 yards of the Los with the occasional deep throw. Thats exactly what they did Sunday night

As an aside the Steelers are due for their annual Medicore Mike let down game against an inferior team. The game against a bad Gman team might just be it
Didn’t they just blow out an inferior team ?

Russ’s last season in Denver is far superior to any season fields ever had .
Because he’s actually a qb who can read defenses , unlike fields .
 
Fields can’t score enough points

if you think WRs make the QB instead of the QB making the WR- you’re always wrong .

Enjoy your Mason Rudolph Blow up doll .
Ok straw man. This thread is not about Fields. You should know, as you started it. No one is making declarations on Fields and no one is saying George isn’t the best receiver on the team. You said George isn’t a problem. I said he is. And I’d be right, as evidenced by his benching by his boss. But continue your fanboy infatuation with the flawed receiver.
 
Cupp would be huge. Hes gets open and will allow the the use the middle of the field. Dude is a far better and more polished receiver than Pickens. Against good defenses Pickens one trick pony down the sidle-lines routes can be minimized and or shut down. With a guy like cup defenses would have to defend the entire field

Problem is Cupp has been hurt a lot the last two years. Otherwise I’m not sure why the Rams would trade him ? Isn’t their other good wr hurt too the kid from BYu
I think Kupp is done, and likley what they Rams think too. He's played too physical all these years and it's taken it's toll. Anyone trading for him better have the Rams pickup a huge portion of his salary over the next few years.
 
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Didn’t they just blow out an inferior team ?

Russ’s last season in Denver is far superior to any season fields ever had .
Because he’s actually a qb who can read defenses , unlike fields .
And they just lost to one too if you consider a depleted Dallas team inferior…which they were that night in a home prime time game.

That said, hasn’t it been established that most good coaches have head scratcher loses each year? Maybe not but I thought that was the case. So I’d probably push back too on the Tomlin criticism for that point. Although losing two straight at home last year to the two worst teams is indefensible. I put that on the offense that is lead by a coach Tomlin should have never brought back for a 3rd season.
 
And they just lost to one too if you consider a depleted Dallas team inferior…which they were that night in a home prime time game.

That said, hasn’t it been established that most good coaches have head scratcher loses each year? Maybe not but I thought that was the case. So I’d probably push back too on the Tomlin criticism for that point. Although losing two straight at home last year to the two worst teams is indefensible. I put that on the offense that is lead by a coach Tomlin should have never brought back for a 3rd season.
To be fair and accurate, The Steelers and Fields were beating the Boys by 4 with 3 minutes to go.
All the D had to do was stop them just once as they drove 70 yards and scored a TD in the final seconds, on a 4th down play as I recall.
 
To be fair and accurate, The Steelers and Fields were beating the Boys by 4 with 3 minutes to go.
All the D had to do was stop them just once as they drove 70 yards and scored a TD in the final seconds, on a 4th down play as I recall.
I’m not trying be coy but I don’t know what your point is. I believe there was a hold on that 4th down play as well that wasn’t called. But they lost and that’s the bottom line. Things have a way of evening out. You are who you are.
 
I’m not trying be coy but I don’t know what your point is. I believe there was a hold on that 4th down play as well that wasn’t called. But they lost and that’s the bottom line. Things have a way of evening out. You are who you are.
My only point was Fields with all his warts had the Steelers in a great position to win that game with 3 minutes left.
That loss was on the defense at the end.
The marquis unit let them down at the end.
 
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My only point was Fields with all his warts had the Steelers in a great position to win that game with 3 minutes left.
That loss was on the defense at the end.
The marquis unit let them down at the end.
Oh yeah. I agree. Also…

The marquis unit has been underachieving for years.
 
Didn’t they just blow out an inferior team ?

Russ’s last season in Denver is far superior to any season fields ever had .
Because he’s actually a qb who can read defenses , unlike fields .
Yes they did. But Mediocre Mikes teams have historically lost to inferior teams each year (see the cardinals and patriots last year) as one example.

Who was comparing Russ to Fields? I was simply pointing out the clear pattern of where he is completing passes. Its exactly the same as the types of throws he made Sunday night.
 
Ok straw man. This thread is not about Fields. You should know, as you started it. No one is making declarations on Fields and no one is saying George isn’t the best receiver on the team. You said George isn’t a problem. I said he is. And I’d be right, as evidenced by his benching by his boss. But continue your fanboy infatuation with the flawed receiver.
He wasn’t benched
He took 34 snaps including the end of the game.

You can repeat your nonsense , doesn’t make it true .

He took 54 snaps the following game .

You’re confused what benching means.
 
Yes they did. But Mediocre Mikes teams have historically lost to inferior teams each year (see the cardinals and patriots last year) as one example.

Who was comparing Russ to Fields? I was simply pointing out the clear pattern of where he is completing passes. Its exactly the same as the types of throws he made Sunday night.
One player was benched
The other wasn’t .
That’s the comparison .
Need me to cut your food for ya ?
 
He wasn’t benched
He took 34 snaps including the end of the game.

You can repeat your nonsense , doesn’t make it true .

He took 54 snaps the following game .

You’re confused what benching means.
Call it what you want but when your best receiver is on the bench throwing his helmet for 1/3rd of the snaps and his teammates are there running in the opposite direction while his offense is on the field and the game is in doubt in the 4th quarter, thats a problem. You’re literally the only person in Pittsburgh, from the coach to the players to the media to the hoi paloi that has this fictitious opinion. But no one else has your imagination either.
 
I know this may be hard to believe
But Pickens averages 73% of snaps per game this year
He averaged 54.6% of snaps in 2023
He played 68% in week 1
59% in this game you keep referencing
67% the next game
And a season high 79% last game/

You’re hung up on a small variance. (20%)
Nearly the same variance when he played 86 (18%) of snaps he played the game before .

Maths
 
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