If the steelers don't draft James Conner or peterman....
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typical homer response.Data not that skewed. Coincidence more than anything. .NFL team has an ax to grind against your school (for some unknown reason). btw..I'm not from Pittsburgh.
Intentional as in "we don't want to draft Pitt players"? No, I don't believe that. However, I do think they are less likely to draft a Pitt guy because they are more likely to know more negatives about Pitt players than players from other college programs. That stuff matter. Teams spy on guys to find out things like how long and often they spend at a bar.
But does it not bode well that they may know more positives? Either way, better the devil or the saint you know more about.
I think the negatives have more influence. I hear about a lot of players falling on draft boards for negative things. I can't recall hearing about players moving up because he is a great young man who works hard and contributes to the community.
so the reason is that they know more about the Pitt kids and chose not to draft them because of this? is that your premise?
A forgotten Pitt guy passed by the Steelers was Mark May. Pittsburgh took the first of many D-line misses when it drafted Keith Gary, who played in Canada for two seasons before joining the franchise. The Steelers O-line though was pretty damn good at the time with Pinney, Wofley, Webster, Courson and Larry Brown. Tunch and Tyrone McGriff were the top backups.
sooooo pitt players fall on the steelers draft boards because the steelers have better access to the negative things that pitt players do moreso than other teams? HTP, you are reaching my man.
This might have been the case back in the day, with players like Ironhead, who was causing all kinds of hell in Oakland, or maybe with head cases like Grossman and others back in the 80s when we weren't exactly running a tight ship but no way in this day and age.. Everyone knows everything. Tyler boyd drinks two shots and drives home and its on the ESPN ticker 2 hours later. Steelers have no more info than any other team has..
They'll draft the guys they need!
But the guy they missed out on is Dion Lewis.
He was the 3rd RB for the Eagles, moved to just special teams and was a cheap pickup for a quality player.
New England is a smart team and picked him up!
Not sure the Steelers have a great eye for talent!
But the guy they missed out on is Dion Lewis.
He was the 3rd RB for the Eagles, moved to just special teams and was a cheap pickup for a quality player.
New England is a smart team and picked him up!
Not sure the Steelers have a great eye for talent!
I'd love for someone to tell me a good example of the steelers passing up on a player of need, that they had a shot for. And please, for the sake of my sanity, lets leave Marino out of it, we all know that was a muck up.
Hey, maybe there were a few. I just cant take "we should have traded up for Revis" seriously, I hear comments like that and I just refuse to respond to ignorance. HTP, how about another name? Someone mentioned May, maybe that has some legs to it. Actually I think Sheard would have been worthy of a late pick, he's protypical 3-4 OLB but I don't know who we got or who we had that year.
Come on now, homer. What a childish thing to say. Do you draft every Pitt player you can in your fantasy league too?
I love those guys. In my league (bunch of Michigan/MSU/Lions fans) we call them "donors".
No one is out to get Pitt, no one saying it, just the Steeler's have missed on Pitt Players a bit! Belinchick brings in Pitt Players and praises them! Need to know anymore?
1981. Took Keith Gary and Anthony Washington over Carlton Williamson, Russ Grimm or Rickey Jackson.
Michigan an MSU is loaded with NFL Players ready right now, especially on Defense. Steeler's love the Ohio Staters too!
Do you expect the Pirates to draft Pitt baseball players? There are over 40 rounds and a lot of Pitt baseball players have been drafted over the years.
OK, well see now, I like this. actual dialogue instead on non sensical claims.. Dude, Rickey Jackson would have been sick in a steeler uni. How about Doleman too. I love the steers but I can honestly say I've never heard the name "Anthony Washington."
nor to the Patriots or the Raiders (two out of four nfl teams I took the time to look up) ...not that big of an anomaly....
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My god. Besides that and Marino, anything more recent? That stretch they didn't just make mistakes overlooking Pitt players they just made poor draft decisions. I don't think it was intended as much as it was incompetence
15 years, 7 picks per team, 32 teams not counting supplemental picks = 3360.
37 out of 3360 just over 1%
Just over 1 Pitt guy picked per team in 15 years
not great odds for a Pitt player to go to anyone team.
oh, stop it with your silly correct mathematical statistics and solid analysis ...we are talking emotion here...The Steelers hate Pitt!!!! Do you know how hard James Conner worked and the bastards may not draft him.
Interestingly enough, over the same time period the Patriots did draft two Boston College players while the Raiders took 3 guys from Cal and 1 from Stanford.
yep, once again had to do with coincidence (or in the case of Miami, numbers of players coming out in the draft) and player talent and team needs and not rah, rah for the home team....
So then odds are if drafting randomly, the Steelers would have ended up with one player from Pitt.
Now someone needs to go back further until they can make the numbers work in favor of the Steelers.
Miami, 3 of 90 went to the Dolphins, or 1/30 which is right about where the odds would be if they selected randomly, or slightly behind averaging one per team. As I said, you would think that an affiliated team is MORE likely to draft the local guy, as they are in some of the above examples like New England, Miami, Temple (2/14) and Oakland. Not in the Steelers' case. Even the Bengals took 1 player from Cincy in 2009.
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so you don't think it's an institutional policy, are you really sticking with this "steelers have inside info" conspiracy? And if that's it, isn't it pitt players fault for giving the steelers reason to not draft them?
I just don't get your angle here. you say it's definitely not a coincidence but you give this crazy theory but some reason, using your theory, it's the steelers fault? So confusing, im really trying to understand your line of reasoning. you are saying it's the steelers fault that they found out bad info on pitt guys.
Where did I suggest any of those things? My original assumption from years back was that 'a Pitt player could end up with the Steelers and wouldn't that be fun!' Then year and year of that not happening I finally looked at the numbers and came to the conclusion that my assumption was wrong. Where I once though 'hey the Steelers might give this guy the benefit of the doubt since they see him at practice and have a chance to talk to the coaches and get recommendations etc" I now realize that the opposite is likely to be true. The closer relationship doesn't help Pitt draft prospects in the eyes of the Steelers. It is more likely to lead to the Steelers hearing rumors or even truths about negative things about a player. The Steelers are being smart. I never suggested otherwise. Same thing as when the Pirates are being smart by not spending more money and fans pretend that they are doing what's best for the fans.
oh, sorry htp, I thought I read in this thread somewhere that you said that this was not some sort of pre conceived policy and mentioned a possible explanation that the steelers had inside info. my bad.
so to get this straight, you believe that since the steelers and pitt share the practice facility, and are able to see these kids daily in practice, that this accessibility hurts pitt guys more often than helps them?
That's an interesting claim..
Right. So if the Stillers pass on Conner or Peterman if they are available in the appropriate rounds, H2P is suggesting that we can assume the Stillers have some insider knowledge about some of their character flaws, and chose to pass? Please.
What about the fact that all teams in the draft are trying to address their most glaring needs? If there's a highly CB or edge rusher available in the round Conner is supposed to go in, the Steelers would be stupid not to take the quality player that fills the more urgent need.
The only thing I'd be concerned about with drafting Conner is his long-term health. He's OK now, but lymphoma is no joke.....I think he checks every other box there is and his character and attitude are remarkable, special, one in a million. He's not the best athlete among the available RBs, but if I'm looking to draft a RB I'd probably be inclined to draft him over any other remaining RB if he's available in the 4th-5th round based on those attributes alone. Contrast him to Joe Mixon and Conner is a no-brainer despite Mixon's superior talent and athleticism. If Conner can stay healthy, there is no doubt in my mind that he will eventually be an impact player for any NFL team. He will make himself one by his incredible willpower and work ethic.
Not any nefarious intent or preconceived policy. Just that it's more likely they have insider info that other teams don't have.
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