I also think that teams will look for negatives about potential picks. They do things like follow a guy around and see where he hangs out. If a player spends too much time at a bar, then he drops on their draft board.
If the steelers don't draft James Conner or peterman....
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I also think that teams will look for negatives about potential picks. They do things like follow a guy around and see where he hangs out. If a player spends too much time at a bar, then he drops on their draft board.
you are joking, right? ..............you would think that an affiliated team is MORE likely to draft the local guy, NO. I would think an affiliated team would be MORE likely to draft the next freaking guy on their list ..That is what professional football teams do. Now, back to area 51.
Yes, I'm a great Pitt fan, but it comes 2nd to the Steelers. Everyone has their priorities. The Steelers have always been #1 by a wide, Wide, WIDE margin over all other sports teams. Up until the '80s when I went to school at Pitt, I would root for Pitt and Penn State on the national level.
Not joking at all. Pitt players are more likely to be lower on the Steeler's list. There is a reason for that.
are there any bars in Oakland for pitt guys to hang out at? Hemingways and what else? are we blaming Carson Street watering holes for pitt football players getting pushed down the draft board?
Incompetance? But they've won more Super Bowls than anyone. It's not like drafting a few Pitt players would have won any more, other than the case of Marino.
Cause they (Stillers) know more bad stuff about them (screw their superior talent) seems to be your premise....got it.
They already are dealing with the loss of Mr. Rooney. Now Nardog2 is rooting against them?!? How much can one organization endure?
OK So the Steelers don't draft any Pitt players but are still successful. Pitt players still get drafted and many go on to be successful with some winning super bowls and some selected All-Pro. Sorry not seeing a problem!
Another tack. Peterman stock rising as it has probably works against the thought of Pgh talking him. As long as they still have BR I think they're loathe to have any kind of "legit" backup behind him. The kind that might rouse the rabble (fans and media) to clamor for him after BR might have a subpar game. In contrast nobody was clamoring for Laundry Jones or Bruce Gradkowski or Charlie Batch. Ben could go 10 of 50 and 5 picks for three straight weeks of losses, but you still didn't want any of those sacks of sheets to start over him. Part of it is no doubt wanting the backup to be cheap too, so they go with awful ones ... but mostly they just don't want to deal with the noise.
Gonzalez or Palko was safe to have on the team as a backup because nobody wanted em to actually play! Much, anyway. Peterman might actually be worth a dam though.
Gonzalez or Palko was safe to have on the team as a backup because nobody wanted em to actually play! Much, anyway. Peterman might actually be worth a dam though.
Nate seems to be in that middle ground as far as QBs and I don't think the steelers are there. we need either a legit, career backup type player. Someone that will come in and be around for 3-4 years as a backup or 3rd string role, basically an upgrade over Landry Jones OR we need to make a big commitment to find Ben's replacement, aka a first rounder..
Nate seems to be a late 2nd, early 3rd round guy. Someone that isn't quite good enough to be drafted as a franchise type qb for the future but too good to be that 5th rd type that you draft knowing full well he wont be on your roster in 4 years.
Just not NE (got a couple BC guys) or Miami (3 Canes) according to you.(even Cincinnati, you said)...you keep contradicting yourself
yeah, but the Steelers have some insight that they are only privy to on some to the shenanigans he has pulled at his bible study classes up in Oakland so they may have to shy away...
As a casual NFL(totally predicated on Pitt players) fan to begin with & a non Steelhead whatsoever I have always been very thankful that Pitt guy's rarely find their way onto a Steelers roster....as it automatically makes me pull for whoever our guy's play for.
As a friend w/ Jerry O back in the day when he lived in Shadyside while playing for the Steelheads I would always bust his ball's about how hard he made Sunday afternoons for me knowing that I always was pulling for him(because he was a Pitt guy) & the team to do well though he knew of my football loyalties & dislike of the Steelheads. The Super Bowl was both torturous & at the same time emotional because of my dislike for the Steelheads but so proud of seeing Jerry announced as the starting MLB for the American Conference Champions getting ready to start in a Super Bowl.
At the same time another good buddy was Rick Burkholder(Pitt Grad) who was working for the Steelheads as their Asst. Trainer before he was hired as Andy Reid & Philly's Head Trainer(now he followed Reid to Kansas City).
But I have a very sneaky feeling that the Steelheads are going to end up w/ either Conner or Peterman & possibly 1 of our O-Linemen. Someone is finding their way onto a Steelhead roster from this Pitt class.
H2 PITT !!!
As a friend w/ Jerry O back in the day when he lived in Shadyside while playing for the Steelheads I would always bust his ball's about how hard he made Sunday afternoons for me knowing that I always was pulling for him(because he was a Pitt guy) & the team to do well though he knew of my football loyalties & dislike of the Steelheads. The Super Bowl was both torturous & at the same time emotional because of my dislike for the Steelheads but so proud of seeing Jerry announced as the starting MLB for the American Conference Champions getting ready to start in a Super Bowl.
At the same time another good buddy was Rick Burkholder(Pitt Grad) who was working for the Steelheads as their Asst. Trainer before he was hired as Andy Reid & Philly's Head Trainer(now he followed Reid to Kansas City).
But I have a very sneaky feeling that the Steelheads are going to end up w/ either Conner or Peterman & possibly 1 of our O-Linemen. Someone is finding their way onto a Steelhead roster from this Pitt class.
H2 PITT !!!
Hope the rest of the Rooneys go quick and they pass the franchise to relatives who weren't part of the shallow gene pool! Intelligence & common sense sometimes skips a generation or two!
Be nice. His campaign of terror against Stallings (and the tattered remains of his followers) on the hoops board by dredging up 13 month old threads of sycophants lauding the hire is awful brilliance. Definitely a scorched earth policy for sure that's frankly tearing the guts out of the base over there ... kind of a Pantherlair WeenyLeaks ... but overall it's well deserved. While some fans unfortunately have to be sacrificed along the way, drumming up savage psychotic hatred might be the only chance we have that Mount Baldy would pull a Graham and leave early on his own accord... the only way we'll get rid of him (in this decade).
There are many episodes in history where a mad man must be encouraged to obtain a desired end (no Kanye and Kim jokes needed here ... oh, on second thought, go ahead, the double entendre was too good).
This may be one. Sure, railing against the Steelers for not drafting Pitt guys may appear a little insane, given they're wildly successful and we haven't been since, well, before the Rubik cube ... but it took that sort of insanity to produce the inferno currently raging against Stallings.
Really should we hope your gene pool dies soon too? About as classless a comment I have seen on here and that says a lot.
Probably about 30 other franchises around the country that would love to play Marco Polo in that pool...
Really, there are only two recent situations I think the Steelers and Pitt players might have had some synergy and both were tight ends ... Nate Byham and J.P. Holtz. With the Steelers valuing TEs as they do and these guys kind of getting overlooked due to underachieving teams, I think the Steelers could have gotten some real value signing them. Instead they have the PS guy now who I don't think much of ... he appears slow, too tall but too light, not much of a blocker and inconsistent catching. But other than that, great player. What would have them grade him high enough to draft, but JP not even worthy to sniff as a UFA, was a mystery to me, and obviously a little galling due to the PS angle (I think they actually DO stretch a bit to justify bringing in PS and WV players). Oh well.
Ricky Jackson would have absolutely thrived playing on those Steelhead D's of his time. If any Pitt player was a Steelhead & classic Pittsburgh lunch bucket kinda guy it was Ricky Jackson. A guy who was just as comfortable w/ a fishing rod in Pahokee Fla. swamps or on the Mon riverbank as he was on the practice field busting heads.
Ricky Jackson would have been luved had he ended up a Steelhead. His game was transferable to just about anyone's D, scheme or style.
H2 PITT !!!
H2 PITT !!!
Ricky Jackson would have been luved had he ended up a Steelhead. His game was transferable to just about anyone's D, scheme or style.
H2 PITT !!!
H2 PITT !!!
J.P. Holtz went undrafted and ended up on the practice squad for the Browns. I think Nate could have played for them, but his career doesn't really indicate that they missed.
I think the best argument for a guy that they passed on and shouldn't have would be Andy Lee. They have cycled through punters for years, even wasting a 3rd or 4th rounder on Sepulveda, while Lee has been among the best in the bidness.
I think the best argument for a guy that they passed on and shouldn't have would be Andy Lee. They have cycled through punters for years, even wasting a 3rd or 4th rounder on Sepulveda, while Lee has been among the best in the bidness.
That 1981 draft was insane with defensive talent LT, Lott, Singletary. While the Steelers were desperately trying to rebuild the aging Steel Curtain, they actually picked twice and passed on Rickey as well as Howie Long while they were still available.
What I meant is that it's true for all teams that learning negative things about a player will drop them on their draft board. Those examples are teams that are local but have less of a relationship (to my knowledge) with one another. The Steelers get a benefit themselves by practicing next to Pitt. Information.
This is far from Buffy's low post. About middling for him I'd say.
He could definitely use a change of latitude.
So... you... being a "pitt fan" who thinks the steelers are the only team you care about and say you would rather Pitt get the death penalty than the steelers do poorly... say that the ONLY Pitt player you wanted the Steelers to draft was Marino????
What a great judge of talent you are. Dorsett, Curtis Martin, Shady, Ironhead, Fitz, Revis, Donald, May, Covert, Fralic, Doleman, Green, Ricky Jackson, Maas, Stepnowski, Goose, Blades, Session, Lewis, Flynn, Lee, Savage, and many others ... just crap huh?
If you understand math then you don't need to go back any further. But since you are attempting to give "nefarious" meaning to a team drafting exactly ONE player less than the average would suggest over a period of 15 years it seems kind of obvious that statistics are not a strong suit.
The real sad part of the numbers is that over the last 15 years Pitt has only had 37 players drafted, not that the Stillers have picked one less Pitt player than the average NFL team over the last 15 years.
Having Pitt players just never mattered, as long as they win with who they draft, I don't care what school they are from, why would I?
Yes, I put Steelers above Pitt in my fandom, no doubt, not even close, no shame!!!
I root for THE TEAM PITT PANTHERS, after players leave the Pitt Panthers, I don't care what happens to them or where or if they play in the NFL-unless they would join the Steelers, then I root my ass off for them.
I root for THE TEAM PITTSBURGH STEELERS, I want them to get the best players available, I don't care what college they came from, as long as they contribute to winning in the NFL FOR THE STEELERS.
I don't root for people, I root for teams and uniforms-not the people in them. I wish everybody well when they leave Pitt or the Steelers, but I then root for them to be destroyed if they then play against Pitt or the Steelers.
37 Pitt players. 32 NFL teams. That's 1.16 Pitt players per team. If drafted randomly odds are that the Steelers would have 1 Pitt player. They have 0. Maybe it's just coincidence.
Or maybe it's just simple statistics and you are looking for some sort of conspiracy where none exists.
I mean you get that drafting 1.16 fewer players from a particular team over a 15 year period is well within what would be considered normal, right?
I get that it's not even close to having statistical significance. However, every year at this time someone always posts something about the possibility of the Steelers drafting one of the Pitt guys, as if the the relationship of the two teams might lead to an increased likelihood of the Steelers drafting the Pitt player. It doesn't and if anything the opposite is true.
I'm on record above saying that I could see them picking Conner.
I told myself not to respond to this... but I cant resist. You do sound like you need mental help, so I am not belittling you (OK, except the mental help part), but your broad statements are ridiculous.
A. You are on a Pitt football website
B. Did you go to school at Pitt??? If so, you should certainly be more of a fan that represents your alma mater more than some arbitrary group of players from all over that play for lots and lots of money for the city.
C.If you didnt go to school and love the steelers more than anything in the whole wide world... then why are you here posting??
D.You dont root for people?????? Huh??? So, not rooting for James Conner to beat cancer?
E. I think it seems rather pathological to root for players and teams and write 11 THOUSAND post on a website... then say you can literally care less and hope they get destroyed when they leave Pitt.
Just curious, but why, exactly, do you root for the Steelers or the Panthers? What is the attraction? A team is just a group of individuals working to achieve some goal. Why bother watching? Just get the scores after the games. Since you do not identify with individuals, what attracts you? Uniforms, colors, mascots, perception, geographical location.... WINNING? If winning is your reason to support a team then you better hook up with the NE Patriots or Alabama. Get on the Cub's bandwagon before it passes you by. You will be much more gratified and still be able to continue to avoid the distasteful thought of considering the actual participants as fellow humans.
First of all that isn't a logical way to calculate the chance even if it was random selection. The numbers of Pitt players drafted, number of Steeler picks and even the number of total choices all change each year.
But that is beside the point. The Steelers are NOT selecting randomly. Like every team they select based upon physical traits, mental ability, personality, behavioral observation, etc. There are outside factors like position fit, other teams, draft order, current players. Their selection is absolutely biased. You can't throw all that out and assign it to prejudice against Pitt.
But even if they have intentionally shied from Pitt players, then Pitt is in good company. Alabama has way more players in the NFL and has had more drafted over those fifteen drafts. Care to guess how many were selected by the Steelers? Zero. Do you think that they have an inside guy in Tuscaloosa tipping them off?
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