My Cal U of PA Vulcans would of sacked Hack at least 6 times that year.Isn't Franklin bringing his band of merrymen back to Philly in the future?
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My Cal U of PA Vulcans would of sacked Hack at least 6 times that year.Isn't Franklin bringing his band of merrymen back to Philly in the future?
I know they are plenty serious, but when will they win the Big 10 East again? Michigan, Ohio State, and, even Sparty seem to really have their number. What is James Franklin’s composite record against those three division rivals?
Since you ignored it the first time, here it is again:
As they were saying on The Fan tonight and as many of us know, what exactly has Penn State done to earn this high and mighty attitude like they the premiere football program in the country? No one has taken them as a serious contender for a couple of decades now. Time to stop worrying about this team and get WVU back on the schedule full time.
You can do the math they average over 105,000 per game and the rent is free , they have no travel expenses , they get 100% of concession revenue , parking and memorabilia . I’d bet their bottom line far exceeds 7 million .
Until Pitt can actually compete with PSU not sure you could find 70,000 fans to continually shell out $200 bucks a ticket to watch a mismatch .
What about the Fb program makes you believe Pitt will improve over the PN era , and he’s got 6/7 more yrs on his contract ?
I'm not sure what would be more troubling, if they know they're lying but they do it anyway to make themselves feel better, or if they are so delusional that they actually believe some of the stuff that they post.
It’s really this simple , PSU doesn’t consider the Pitt game as a must do game and why should
they ?
Pitt has had a few good teams over the last 35 yrs , but these aren’t the Johnny Majors 1 or Jackie Sherrill teams anymore . There’s no buzz in kicking Pitts butt all over the field .
Agreed. Pitt should have taken the 2 for 1. Along with the ND rotation, we would have one guaranteed 65,000 crowd much more often. I'm afraid the 47,000 for the Whoos will be the largest crowd of the season.
Will you dump your season tickets if they got rid of the Villanova game but kept the cost the same? Yes or no?
Sorry, didn’t mean to ignore your question.
The only thing PSU has done is become a far superior football program to Pitt over the last couple decades. I’m not saying that is a lot, nor will I dispute that Pitt’s ineptitude has contributed greatly to that separation. But that is the fact. PSU has all the power in this situation and is not afraid to use it. Until Pitt can bring something to the table that benefits PSU, nothing is going to change.
Would you pay full price for a six-pack if it only came with five beers?
Would you pay full price for your new BMW if it only came with three wheels?
Like your inquiry, all are silly questions because they are never going to happen.
I can tell you that in 2016 Penn State reported $31.4M in ticket revenue. I'm not going to research further, so I am making an assumption that this number includes all of their ticket revenue from football games, which ends up averaging roughly $45 per ticket per game and roughly $4.5M per game in total ticket sales. I don't know if they breakdown the other revenue for concessions, parking, club seating, etc. However, I would be confident that if this game were a special yearly event at Heinz Field as the neutral site (say on Veterans Day weekend, for example) then both schools should be able to work on maximizing revenue beyond just ticket sales. Have sponsors for the game. Share a portion of the concessions. Make it a THING. Would Penn State still end up earning less? I have no idea. However, they would likely win 8/10 so it benefits them from that perspective. Not a total cupcake, but a decent win most years.
With that being said, it isn't going to happen. Too much work involved for Pitt to even consider that type of thinking ahead. Much easier to stay at HF, collect the ACC paycheck, transfer money to other athletic programs within Pitt, and then tell people you are working to make football great.
I'm not even sure how this is relevant. Penn State may be the 4th best program in that division, but they are still ahead of Pitt by quite a large margin.
PSU counter:
Make it a special yearly event at Beaver Stadium where an additional 40,000 tickets can be sold.
Just guessing PSU would offer Pitt a 3/1 split without much negotiation. I doubt the PSU AD would return phone calls for anything less.
Never underestimate the power of the dark side.... errr.... I mean the Steelers. If they lose Pitt as a tenant, they will want other events to justify public investment in the current and next stadium. They helped to strong arm weak minded SP and Nordy (and Pitt Trustees) into the Heinz Field deal AND managed to make it look like THEY were helping Pitt, when in reality that wanted more help to justify money from you and me paying for the stadium and future publicly funded upgrades. Pitt will have served their time for decades, so then it will be Penn State's turn to serve. One annual game with a weekend of events at the Steelers current and next stadium. I'm sure Penn State will take a deal when they are told there is less state money for them without the game.
Here is the major difference. The Big Ten play 9 game conference schedule. That leaves one slot for a home and home schedule. The only schools that you lost who play a 9 game conference schedule is Colorado. That game is played annually in Denver and not a home and home schedule and will be discontinued after this season.
Yes. If they were dumb enough to do that It probably would be the last straw for me. Everyone has their breaking point where it just not worth it any more.
Answer my question please. Would you drop your PSU season tickets if a 6 game home schedule did not include an FCS game and was priced the same as a 7 game home schedule? I am looking for a simple yes or no.
Fed Ex Stadium would be fine for Pitt. We have a lot of alumni who live in the DC/Md area. When we were in the Big East, lots of Pitt fans at Pitt/Georgetown basketball games, and we had good crowds at Pitt/Navy football games and Military Bowl bowl game. Furthermore, as an ACC member, our recruiting has been moving to the south, so I see no problems with Fed Ex or M&T Bank Stadiums. The Meadowlands make no sense for Pitt geographically.
How much time do you spend on the dark side?
I have zero knowledge of the long-term planning at either university. Just a personal hunch that there is maybe a 2% chance PSU builds a new facility to replace Beaver Stadium in the next 20 years. That is likely double the possibility that Pitt ever builds its own stadium on campus or anywhere else. Never going to happen. There is a higher probability of major college football fading away to virtually nothing than there is of Pitt making a half-billion dollar commitment to become a serious player in major college football.
Nordy was the best thing that ever happened to the University of Pittsburgh. No so great for football, but excellent for the university as a whole.
USC continues to play non conference rival Notre Dame every year plus a 9 game conference schedule. You don't have to schedule Delaware and Temple or Buffalo and Idaho in the same years, (yikes) you could do Pitt and a quality academic P5 opponent and still have a manageable schedule in terms of wins (say, Vanderbilt or Wake Forest.)
That said, I do understand the reality 9 game schedules have squeezed non conference scheduling, which is a reason I prefer 8 and hope the ACC and SEC stay with it. Coaches and fans seem to agree, the challenge is administration who sees extra conference games as keeping money in the family.
Sorry, I can’t answer your question. I’m not a season ticket holder anywhere. Never have been, pretty sure I never will be. Without taking the time to do an actual count, I can say I have been to roughly the same number of games at Heinz Field and Beaver Stadium over the past decade.
If you want to press me into a “what if” situation about a season ticket package that was reduced by roughly 15% without a similar cost reduction, I would probably tell the school to shove it. But I am old and stubborn and can get kinda cranky when people pi$$ me off. Others may feel differently.
Bottom line is I enjoy a good discussion. And I commend everyone here for holding a lively debate without getting personal or bitchy.
Those are effectively PSU home games and PSU would also want a bigger cut of whatever the payout would be. Don't kid yourself.
If Pitt could lock up Notre Dame in a 20-year contract, it would drop PSU in a heartbeat. But Pitt does not have the standing in today’s world of college football to do that. Not with ND, not with PSU, not with any of the school’s typically found in the Top 25.
PSU can and did drop Pitt because it believed it has better options. Everyone can be critical of those options, but that choice belongs to PSU.
If Pitt wants to play PSU, it has to step up and bring something to the table.
Like what? More money? Because that's what is keeping the series from happening now. If Pitt would do a 2 for 1 deal, the contracts could be signed today.
Forget State Penn, play WVU annually. We need a rivalry game. Then, play ND as often as possible
Spot on, Dan.
If you read between the lines, PSU is telling Pitt it has no interest in an equal home/home series. PSU may be able to fit in an occasional single game at a neutral site.
But don’t kid yourself. The advantage in location or tickets or money is going to favor PSU. And, like it or not, PSU is currently in the position to tell Pitt to take it or leave it.
Dan, I agree with you.
Life ain’t fair. Pitt is not going to get an equal deal with PSU in today’s environment.
Pitt gets to make its choice:
Does it pay the price to play PSU or not?
The nitters were sure happy to sign a four year deal when the sh!t hit the fan over the Sandusky coverup. Now that it has been sufficiently swept under the rug, they want nothing to do with Pitt. I say, to hell with them and move on. Let's revive our WVU rivalry and don't look back.
PSU would play in Heinz every single season if they got to keep 100% of whatever money the game yielded. It's not a "PItt" thing. It's a money thing.
Personally, I think Pitt needs to figure itself out before it can go around complaining about a series with PSU.
It is a money thing, which is why I disagree with this post. Heinz Field would be chump change compared to Beaver Stadium: 40,000 more seats, all the parking and concession revenue, no travel expenses.
PSU would never, ever give up a home game to play anywhere on the road — even if PSU kept all the revenue.
The fact is a Pitt game at PSU does not bring in much more revenue than an Idaho game at PSU. Maybe 5,000 additional tickets. It makes far more economic sense to play seven home games and pay out a $1 million guarantee than to drop back to six home games every other year to fit any school in the schedule.
I’ve enjoyed the debate, but spent too much time on it. I’m out. Enjoy the game Saturday.
Everyone knows GREED is why PSU wont play Pitt. How bout make the game about a charity and donate all revenue from the game to the charity? Eliminate greed from the game.
Penn State has lost about 70% of their games against Ohio State and Michigan over the past 20 years. Objectively, they're a second-tier team within the Big Ten.
It's a fact that PSU lacks a real rival. Without touching the reason for that, it's just obvious on its face. OSU and Michigan are each other's rivals (Michigan also has MSU but MSU lacks a secondary rival). Their fan bases do not care about PSU in the slightest. Those teams treat PSU with the same contempt that PSU treats Pitt, and the thrashings PSU receives at the hands of the Buckeyes and Wolverines (losing about 70% of the time to those teams in the past 20 years) probably helps to explain why neither OSU nor Michigan take them more seriously.
Maryland is a historic joke of a football team, this year notwithstanding, and their fans would prefer to be back in the ACC. They want to play their polo-wearing genteel brothers and sisters from UVA and UNC, and will never care about PSU. Nothing needs to be said about Rutgers other than if that's who you wish to be your rival, go for it.
So this brings us back to why PSU should schedule Pitt? Cui bono? Personally, I think it would be better for PSU than Pitt. PSU would get to play a real rival, an in-state team with an existing historic animosity. It would save PSU from trying to create rivalries with OSU, Michigan, Maryland and - LOL - Rutgers that are never going to take hold in peoples' minds the way that Pitt does. I'd also add that PSU would probably beat the p*** out of Pitt more years than not, helping them to lock up even more players from WPA, and giving their fans a better claim on being the Commonwealth's best institution of higher learning. I suppose that it might cost some money but I think that a $1m shortfall every other year in a massive university budget is a drop in the bucket to give your fans something to cheer about 365 days a year. At minimum, PSU should probably play Pitt at least every 3 or so years. This would let them continue a historic rivalry while allowing PSU to travel elsewhere for games (sidenote: I've lived in Alabama, Texas, Nevada, and Georgia and can count on 1 hand the amount of PSU alums I've met in those places).
Pitt, respectfully, does not need PSU. We have historic rivals that we do play every year in VT, Miami, and Syracuse, historic rivals that we play often in ND, and historic rivals that want to play us in WVU. And while it feels nice to have spoiled Franklin's 2016 season, we'd lose to PSU 75% of the time. We really don't need to get our teeth kicked in AND suffer their fans every year. Playing PSU and dealing with their fans is downright miserable. Play ND or WVU every year and let's move on from this charade.
No it isnt. They can play 9 Big Ten games, Pitt (home and home), another P5 opponent (home and home), and 1 cupcake every season and make the same amount of money or more than by canceling the Pitt series in favor of an extra cupcake game.
I agree. I think Franklin wants two cupcakes and would prefer to play, say -- Auburn, Buffalo, and Idaho (two true auto-wins, one big game) over Pitt, Navy, and Temple (three games that are historically interesting that you should win but could also lose.)
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