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For cooking at home, try a package of these:
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Combined with this:
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Plus your favorite hot dog bun, mustard and diced onions.

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And you can thank me later!
Steam the buns for the authentic New Castle experience
 
I grew up in NC, my dad owned the G&H Restaurant in Mahoningtown which also made and sold the exact same chilidogs for years, also lived in Mahoningtown a couple years, he retired in the late 70s and sold his place, and worked part time at Coney Island through the 80s as a retiree, I grew up on those hot dogs, in fact my life was financed by selling them as a kid, I still know the people who own the Coney Island currently. Best chilidogs out there, of course I'm biased.
New castle chili company is better , imo
 
Love Lafayette Coney Island in downtown Detroit.
I am in Michigan alot, and I love their greek diners. Great reubens and soups. I wish we had more of those places here.

On that note, the friggin deli meat game (corned beef and pastrami) of Detroit and Cleveland far, far, far surpass anything we have here.
 
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I am in Michigan alot, and I love their greek diners. Great reubens and soups. I wish we had more of those places here.

On that note, the friggin deli meat game (corned beef and pastrami) of Detroit and Cleveland far, far, far surpass anything we have here.
Isaly's chipped ham. Come on now!
 
No New Castle is better, just accept thet NC is blue blood, the Bama of the chilidog.
I respect your parochial pride and any old school local joint that has been slinging chili dogs for 100 years. Love those kind of places. But nobody anywhere that has had the classic Detroit or Flint coney experience is accepting anything of the sort.

This important issue has been the subject of many scholarly works over the years. nearly all of them come to the same conclusion--Detroit/southeast Michigan is the coney dog center of the universe.

The experts have spoken
 
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I am in Michigan alot, and I love their greek diners. Great reubens and soups. I wish we had more of those places here.

On that note, the friggin deli meat game (corned beef and pastrami) of Detroit and Cleveland far, far, far surpass anything we have here.
Find somewhere that sells Boars Head Pastrami. It’ll be worth your time. I haven’t experienced Det or Cle so I can’t compare but it’s still dam good.
 
I respect your parochial pride and any old school local joint that has been slinging chili dogs for 100 years. Love those kind of places. But nobody anywhere that has had the classic Detroit or Flint coney experience is accepting anything of the sort.

This important issue has been the subject of many scholarly works over the years. nearly all of them come to the same conclusion--Detroit/southeast Michigan is the coney dog center of the universe.

The experts have spoken

I respect your parochial pride and any old school local joint that has been slinging chili dogs for 100 years. Love those kind of places. But nobody anywhere that has had the classic Detroit or Flint coney experience is accepting anything of the sort.

This important issue has been the subject of many scholarly works over the years. nearly all of them come to the same conclusion--Detroit/southeast Michigan is the coney dog center of the universe.

The experts have spoken
Your list having Virginia and South Dakota places shows how nonsense it is

There is literally a New Castle Chili Company .
Its over Johnny , get em a body bag !

Although Texas Hots is also really good in north central pa /NY
 
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Find somewhere that sells Boars Head Pastrami. It’ll be worth your time. I haven’t experienced Det or Cle so I can’t compare but it’s still dam good.
Boars Head is solid for a mass produced, packaged product intended for grocery store shelves.

For the really good stuff when in Michigan, try:
  • Zingerman's in Ann Arbor
  • Hygrade Deli-Detroit
  • Mudgie's-Detroit
  • Frank's Deli-Detroit
  • Vivio's--Detroit
  • Star Deli-Southfield
  • Frenchies-Traverse City
 
I respect your parochial pride and any old school local joint that has been slinging chili dogs for 100 years. Love those kind of places. But nobody anywhere that has had the classic Detroit or Flint coney experience is accepting anything of the sort.

This important issue has been the subject of many scholarly works over the years. nearly all of them come to the same conclusion--Detroit/southeast Michigan is the coney dog center of the universe.

The experts have spoken
It's all opinion no matter who wrote it. I can't really judge it unless I'd taste theirs first. New Castle Chili is well known nationwide. And again, which is best is subjective, like the College Football Playoffs. Let me ask you this, do the Detroit chilidogs have beans in their sauce? Just curious.
 
Boars Head is solid for a mass produced, packaged product intended for grocery store shelves.

For the really good stuff when in Michigan, try:
  • Zingerman's in Ann Arbor
  • Hygrade Deli-Detroit
  • Mudgie's-Detroit
  • Frank's Deli-Detroit
  • Vivio's--Detroit
  • Star Deli-Southfield
  • Frenchies-Traverse City
In the heydey, when New Castle had like 40000 population, triple what it is now, there way more great chilidog places than that Coney Island, PO Lunch, G&H, Lincoln, Capitol, Dog House, Hudson, New Life, Dairy Lunch, just to name just a few, today there are probably still 5-6
 
It's all opinion no matter who wrote it. I can't really judge it unless I'd taste theirs first. New Castle Chili is well known nationwide. And again, which is best is subjective, like the College Football Playoffs. Let me ask you this, do the Detroit chilidogs have beans in their sauce? Just curious.
jesus, this is a whole thing lol. i just looked it up. all these variations..

Detroit style[edit]​

Competing neighboring Coney restaurants in Detroit. The American Coney Island (right) was founded by Greek immigrant Constantine "Gust" Keros. Gust brought his brother over from Greece and helped him open the Lafayette Coney Island (left) restaurant next door.[9]
In Detroit, historically many Greek and Macedonian immigrants operated Coney islands, or restaurants serving Detroit Coney dogs. By 1975 many Albanians began operating them as well.[15] The Greeks established Onassis Coney Island, which has closed. Greek immigrants established the Coney chains Kerby's Koney Island, Leo's Coney Island, and National Coney Island during the 1960s and early 1970s. All three chains sell some Greek food items with Coney dogs. Detroit style sauce is a bean-less chili sauce, differing from the chili dogs they offer only in the lack of beans. National has most of its restaurants on the east side of the city, and Kerby's and Leo's have the bulk of their restaurants on the west side of the Detroit area.[16]

Flint style​

A Flint-style coney (with dry coney sauce) at Rio's Coney Island in Flint
Flint style is characterized by a dry hot dog topping made with a base of ground beef heart, which is ground to a consistency of fine-ground beef.[17] Some assert that in order to be an "authentic" Flint coney, the hot dog must be a Koegel coney and the sauce by Angelo's, which opened in 1949.[11][18] However, the sauce was originally developed by a Macedonian in 1924, Simion P. (Sam) Brayan, for his Flint's Original Coney Island restaurant.[citation needed] Brayan was the one who contracted with Koegel Meat Company to make the coney they still make today, also contracting with Abbott's Meat to provide the fine-grind beef heart sauce base. Abbott's still makes Brayan's 1924 sauce base available to restaurants and the public through the Koegel Meat Company and Abbott's Meats. Restaurants then add chopped onions sautéed in beef tallow, along with their own spice mix and other ingredients, to Abbott's sauce base to make their sauce.[17]

Popular folklore perpetuates a legend that a Flint coney sauce recipe containing ground beef and ground hot dogs is the "original" Flint Coney sauce recipe. Variations on this story include either that a relative of the storyteller knew or worked with the former owner of Flint's Original and received the recipe from them,[19] or that the wife of the owner of Flint's Original allowed the publication of the recipe in the Flint Journal after his death.[20] Ron Krueger, longtime food writer of the Flint Journal, included it in a collection of recipes from the newspaper but without a cited source, unlike the rest of the recipes in the collection.[21] When asked about this Mr. Krueger replied, "That recipe appeared in The Journal several times over the years. [I don't] think I ever saw it in the context of a story or ever saw any attribution. It always included the word 'original' in the title, but anybody who knows anything knows otherwise."[22] As to the second story, of Brayan's wife later allowing the publication of the recipe, Velicia Brayan died in 1976, while Simion Brayan lived until the age of 100 and died in 1990. The actual source of this recipe appears to be an earlier Flint Journal Food Editor, Joy Gallagher, who included the recipe in her column of May 23, 1978. In that column she stated she had included the recipe in an even earlier column. Her apparent source was "a woman who said she was the wife of a chef at the original Coney Island, and that she copied the recipe from his personal recipe book." Gallagher stated "I believe her". However, Gallagher also wrote, "I'm not making any claims". In the same column she also included a second recipe that used beef heart, which she wrote "came to me recently from a reader who swears it is the sauce served at Angelo's." The folklore has mixed the supposed sources of the two recipes in this column from Gallagher, with people claiming the ground hot dog recipe is reportedly from Angelo's.[23] In his column published in the Flint Journal on April 18, 1995, Food Editor Ron Krueger reported taking Gallagher's ground hot dog recipe directly to Angelo's co-owner Tom V. Branoff, who refuted the recipe line-by-line. Gallagher's pre-1978 column is still being researched.[24]

Jackson style​

Jackson style uses a topping of either ground beef or ground beef heart, onions and spices. This meat sauce is applied on a hot dog in a steamed bun and then topped with diced or chopped onions and a stripe of mustard. The Jackson style was late to the usage of beef heart in the sauce, using ground beef prior to converting to ground beef heart in the early 1940s.[25]

Kalamazoo style​

Coney Island Kalamazoo was founded in 1915, and is the longest continuously operated Coney Island in the state. Their coney island is made up of a topping made from their own recipe served on a Koegel's Skinless Frankfurter. Koegel's was not founded until 1916, and it's unknown which hot dog Coney Island Kalamazoo used prior to the Skinless Frankfurter's development.
 
i prefer i guess the jackson style. the chili being more saucy with chopped onions. i dont like the dry chili, which is basically ground beef. guess that's the flynt style.
 
It's all opinion no matter who wrote it. I can't really judge it unless I'd taste theirs first. New Castle Chili is well known nationwide. And again, which is best is subjective, like the College Football Playoffs. Let me ask you this, do the Detroit chilidogs have beans in their sauce? Just curious.
No--Detroit coney chili is meat only--the purist version uses ground beef hearts. here';s a fairly good dissertation on what differentiates Detroit Coney sauce fro the typical chili dog sauce:

The terms "coney sauce" and "chili" are sometimes used interchangeably, but there can be regional and stylistic differences between the two. Generally, both coney sauce and chili are savory, seasoned meat sauces that are commonly used as toppings for hot dogs. Here are some distinctions:

Coney Sauce:

  1. Regionally Specific: The term "coney sauce" is often associated with a specific regional style of hot dog topping. Coney dogs, or coneys, are particularly associated with areas like Michigan and parts of the Midwest in the United States.
  2. Ingredients: Coney sauce typically consists of ground beef (or a beef and pork blend), finely ground or minced onions, various spices, and a savory sauce. It is often smoother in texture compared to traditional chili.
  3. Flavor Profile: Coney sauce tends to have a distinctive, savory, and mildly spiced flavor. It's not as thick as traditional chili and has a smoother consistency, making it well-suited for spreading over hot dogs.
Chili:
  1. Variety of Styles: Chili, on the other hand, is a more general term and can refer to a wide range of meat and bean stews or sauces. There are many regional and cultural variations of chili, each with its own unique ingredients and flavor profiles.
  2. Ingredients: Traditional chili often includes ground or cubed meat (such as beef or pork), beans, tomatoes, chili peppers, onions, and a variety of spices. It tends to have a thicker consistency compared to coney sauce.
  3. Flavor Profile: The flavor of chili can vary widely, ranging from mild and savory to spicy and complex. It often has a heartier and chunkier texture compared to the smoother consistency of coney sauce.
While the terms are sometimes used interchangeably, it's worth noting that what people consider "chili" or "coney sauce" can depend on regional preferences and local traditions. Some regions have very specific expectations for what constitutes a proper coney dog, while others may use the terms more broadly. If you're in doubt, asking locals or referring to local culinary traditions can provide a clearer understanding of the specific toppings used in a particular area.
 
Obviously there's big city bias Detroit vs. New Castle PA, but there's still plenty of online info to support New Castle's hot dog legacy and history.




 
In the heydey, when New Castle had like 40000 population, triple what it is now, there way more great chilidog places than that Coney Island, PO Lunch, G&H, Lincoln, Capitol, Dog House, Hudson, New Life, Dairy Lunch, just to name just a few, today there are probably still 5-6
I know that correlation does not equate to causation, but could the chili dogs be what killed off all the people in New Castle and Detroit?
 
Find somewhere that sells Boars Head Pastrami. It’ll be worth your time. I haven’t experienced Det or Cle so I can’t compare but it’s still dam good.
No. Sy Ginsburg. That's the stuff, best corned beef ever. When the McGinnis Sisters had their stores, you could get it there around this time of year. But the places up there just have the best and they know how to slice it. And I get Boar's Head stuff all of the time.
 
Your list having Virginia and South Dakota places shows how nonsense it is

There is literally a New Castle Chili Company .
Its over Johnny , get em a body bag !

Although Texas Hots is also really good in north central pa /NY
Wake me up when someone opens a New Castle style coney dog shop on the Sunset Strip, downtown Scottsdale, or in a Vegas casino. Or when Al Roker is sitting in a New Castle coney shop with the Today Show cameras rolling.

this one is a no-brainer. The entire world knows Detroit coneys. Google "best coney dogs" and its Detroit and southeast MI all over the place. Can the same be said about New Castle coneys?

I have no doubt they;re good. But i also have no doubt that the chili is different than Detroit/Michigan Coney sauce, and nowhere near as universally and passonately beloved.
 
Boars Head is solid for a mass produced, packaged product intended for grocery store shelves.

For the really good stuff when in Michigan, try:
  • Zingerman's in Ann Arbor
  • Hygrade Deli-Detroit
  • Mudgie's-Detroit
  • Frank's Deli-Detroit
  • Vivio's--Detroit
  • Star Deli-Southfield
  • Frenchies-Traverse City
And I bet alot of those the corned beef at least are from Sy Ginsberg.
 
I am in Michigan alot, and I love their greek diners. Great reubens and soups. I wish we had more of those places here.

On that note, the friggin deli meat game (corned beef and pastrami) of Detroit and Cleveland far, far, far surpass anything we have here.

Weird that Western PA has so few diners but eastern PA has a ton of them. That's probably how Eat n Park was able to thrive.
 
Obviously there's big city bias Detroit vs. New Castle PA, but there's still plenty of online info to support New Castle's hot dog legacy and history.




On this note....there is no worse abomination of an iconic food than Cincinnati's Skyline Chili. It is gross and it sucks and is garbage.
 
No. Sy Ginsburg. That's the stuff, best corned beef ever. When the McGinnis Sisters had their stores, you could get it there around this time of year. But the places up there just have the best and they know how to slice it. And I get Boar's Head stuff all of the time.
I didn’t say anything about corned beef. I don’t eat it.
 
And I bet alot of those the corned beef at least are from Sy Ginsberg.
Frenchies up in Traverse makes its own in house warm pastrami and corned beef. It’s a little shack with some of the best food and coffee you can get anywhere. If you ever find yourself up in Traverse City, it’s well worth a stop.
 
No. Sy Ginsburg. That's the stuff, best corned beef ever. When the McGinnis Sisters had their stores, you could get it there around this time of year. But the places up there just have the best and they know how to slice it. And I get Boar's Head stuff all of the time.
Sy Ginsburg and Grobbel’s. Both heritage Detroit meat producers operating in Detroit’s historic Eastern Market. Really cool spot. Detroit’s version of the Strip.
 
Frenchies up in Traverse makes its own in house warm pastrami and corned beef. It’s a little shack with some of the best food and coffee you can get anywhere. If you ever find yourself up in Traverse City, it’s well worth a stop.
Yes I have been to Traverse City. But never there.
 
Wake me up when someone opens a New Castle style coney dog shop on the Sunset Strip, downtown Scottsdale, or in a Vegas casino. Or when Al Roker is sitting in a New Castle coney shop with the Today Show cameras rolling.

this one is a no-brainer. The entire world knows Detroit coneys. Google "best coney dogs" and its Detroit and southeast MI all over the place. Can the same be said about New Castle coneys?

I have no doubt they;re good. But i also have no doubt that the chili is different than Detroit/Michigan Coney sauce, and nowhere near as universally and passonately beloved.
I NEVER HEARD OF DETROIT HOT DOGS UNTIL RIGHT NOW. SORRY. There actually are New Castle style hot dog shops in many places, the Coney Island of New Castle has franchises and there are others, because the recipe has been sold hundreds of times from Greeks to Greeks. There's a place in Harrisburg, run by Greeks who sells them but don't claim any connection to NC. And again, if they're "universally loved" could just be because they haven't tried the New Castle version, because food preferences are subjective. Everyone likes something different from other people, and I can believe you that Detroit hot dogs are good and likely more well known, but then again Budweiser is more well known and sells more than lots of much better craft beers. New Castle is a small town and Detroit is what, definitely a top ten US city in size for sure right? And I am not sure that "the whole world knows" Detroit Coneys, I've travelled a lot, have several friends actually from Detroit and like I said never heard of them. And you know what, New Castle Chili Dogs are "passionately beloved" too. the Detroit dogs can't be universally beloved either if not everyone has heard of them, it's probably like a Primanti's Sandwich where the locals think every knows about it everywhere. Also, I've played fantasy football on and off since 2000, my team has always been known as the NewCastleChiliDawgz --- 4 time champions !!!
 
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Many brewpubs here use foodtrucks as their food source for customers. They rotate through with different trucks on a regular basis. Until these brewpubs decide to cook their own food, those trucks ain't going away.
Stay tuned. A lot will soon be going away.
 
Stay tuned. A lot will soon be going away.
What makes you think that? There is nothing that would indicate anything but growth here as new brick-and-mortar restaurants are just too expensive and risky, at least until the concept proves itself in a cheaper way like food trucks. We just had a Greek restaurant open that had previously been a very successful food truck.
 
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