OT: NHL Playoffs
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On another site I referred to him as "Mike Hakstol or Dave Johnson".
Mario has 100% more cups than Ovechkin or the Washington Capitals for that matter.
Ovi is like that pure HR hitter. Ryan Howard. Prince Fielder. Guys who can hit 50 HR's, but don't field particularly well, strikeout alot, don't hit for high average.
Sid is more like a Mike Trout.
so the playoffs are meaningless? do you guys even watch hockey outside of pens games?
A - Rod did put up numbers the year they won the series, try again
It was wrong.
Always a great two way player.
Ovechik a great scorer.
It’s a huge distinction.
LOL yinzer... I am not the moron trying to compare Ovechkin who admittedly is one of the best goal scorers of all time to Mario.
No sane person would compare the two defensively. If you do, you are totally clueless.
Ovechkin is a great great goal scorer without question. But he certainly is not a two way player by any stretch of the imagination.
Yep, he's not close. It is why I compared Ovy with a big time HR hitter, but poor fielding, high strikeout player. Don't get me wrong, Ovy is all time as a goal scorer, all time.
Do you guys really believe what you are saying about Ovechkin? Do you think Crisby or Mario would have rings without Malkin or Jager? No they woukd not.
The Pens are simply lucky to have had 2 of the top 10 or 15 players on both of those teams. And for you who dont know, Mario didnt always play both ends. And the Pens sucked with him being the onky real player on the team and never won anything. Tyen along comes Jager, Stevens, Borque, Coffey Samuelson, Recchi, Brasso etc. Thats how you win the cup.
The Pens are simply lucky to have had 2 of the top 10 or 15 players on both of those teams. And for you who dont know, Mario didnt always play both ends. And the Pens sucked with him being the onky real player on the team and never won anything. Tyen along comes Jager, Stevens, Borque, Coffey Samuelson, Recchi, Brasso etc. Thats how you win the cup.
Ovy has had Backstrom, Oshie, Kuznestov, Holtby, John Carlson and back a few years ago, Semin, Mike Green, Karl Alzner, Eric Fehr, Varlamalov. That ain't the 1985 Oilers or 1976 Canadiens, but they were really talented teams. So don't act like Ovy has been on an island by himself.
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They have led the league in points and won the division multiple years in recent history. They have gone into the playoffs as the favorite many times in the Ovie years.
They have not even got to the East Finals to this point.
I know. Obviously. But the guy was acting like Ovy hasn't had any talent around him and that is just not true.
Right, I was agreeing with you. They clearly have had talent. Like you said, maybe not the 85 Oilers talent but certainly upper echelon talent when compared to the rest of the league they were playing against and they have been almost a complete and total failure from a playoff standpoint.
Speaking of the Caps, if they don't win this year they are in an interesting place. They are pretty much up against the cap and John Carlson is an UFA, and based on his season this year, and age, he is going to command at least Letang money. And I don't think the Caps can afford this without moving salary.
If they don't win this year, especially if they lose before the East finals, I don't see how they keep this team intact and especially don't see Trotz coming back.
It would be a tough call for sure though. Do you continue to keep a team together that wins Division titles on a yearly basis that fails in the playoffs or break it down and retool the team. Break down parts of team while keeping Ovechkin, Backstrom, etc..
Tough call.
i did not compare ovechkin to mario], i said people said the same thing about mario, mario was often called a cherry picker too whether it was true or not
you are both stupid and a jock sniffer, mario doesn't care about you
ovechkin is easily the best goal scorer since mario
yeah trade the best players for prospects that MAYBE become just as good 5 years from now
brilliant...
you were probably one of those people that was saying trade crosby or malkin from 2013 - 2015
Actually, I wasn't. Never once though the Pens should trade Malkin or Crosby. I was in favor of changing things up around them though which is exactly what the Pens did in adding guys like Cole, Bonino, Schultz, Kessel, Daley, Cullen, and so on.
But I can tell you have trouble with reading comprehension so you might want to read my post again. Because you seem mentally challenged, I pasted the important part below underlining the part where I said WHILE keeping Ovechkin, Backstrom, etc..
It would be a tough call for sure though. Do you continue to keep a team together that wins Division titles on a yearly basis that fails in the playoffs or break it down and retool the team. Break down parts of team while keeping Ovechkin, Backstrom, etc.
Keep trying to troll cause you are really poor at it.
Who said anything about his goal scoring? Are you really this dumb? Seriously go back and read both of our post. We both clearly state how good of a goal scorer he is. This has nothing to do with his goal scoring.
I actually said he is one of the best goal scorers of all time which is he.
But he doesnt play defense. That is the conversation.
you're the one "trolling" with name calling because i had the audacity to put ovechkin in the same sentence as mario, did i ruin your day by saying that? sure sounds like it
awfully long response you gave too, pretty funny considering my "poor" job at "trolling" it clearly got a big reaction from you
cue next meltdown
and people said the same about mario
that's all i said, and you then flipped out like i insulted your mother, wow what a loser you must be to be hurt over me saying that, if you dropped dead mario wouldn't care and i doubt anybody else would either HAHA
PS hi souf
it's not my premise, PEOPLE (not me) said the same about mario
neither was ever in contention for the selke trophy
it wasn't a defense i just stated something that people claimed about mario similar to ovechkin not realizing i committed a sin against humanity, and then the mario jock sniffer got upset
here is a forum post where people question his defensive play
hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/mario-lemieux-defensive-play.2451183/
I suppose you could always find one drunk idiot in a Toronto bar or some brainless douche in a wacky suit on Hockey Night In Canada that said that when Mario was in his first couple of years. Back then, his job was to rack up points and put buts in the seats while the Pens figured out how to put a roster around him. From about late 88-89 on, he was one of the top-10 defensive forwards in the league, especially after his first play-off series against the NY Rangers in 89'. He was an all-time great penalty killer for heaven's sake!
No meltdown on this side. Just calling your stupidity out for trying to insinuate things I am saying when I never said them. And for the record YOU started the name calling saying we were too stupid and were jock sniffers because we showed how dumb your stance was.
You tried saying I said trade Ovechkin and insinuated I was dumb for suggesting it. I showed where I never said that proving you wrong.
You brought up that I somehow discounted Ovechkin's goal scoring when in fact I said the exact opposite that he was one of the best goal scorers of all time.
I said the people saying Mario never played defense were clueless. You seem to be the one building your argument on what "people" said.
Again, no meltdown at all here. If you think proving someone wrong on what they are saying is a meltdown then so be it.
LOL i called you a yinzer, is that really offensive? you got really pissy over nothing hence me calling you a yinzer
you said the caps should make a major retool if they don't win this year, well how do you retool a team that is finishing the regular season in first place every year and seems to have the worst luck possible in the playoffs? when you dominate play but the goalie stinks what can be done?
the caps completely outplayed and dictated the pace against the pens last year in the series, but their vezina goalie didn't show up so what should they do? trade a vezina winner? they benched him for the start of the playoffs, the new goalie sucked so they went back to him, it's a tough situation for them
i'm still wondering how ovechkin gets the blame when he always shows up in the playoffs, if anything it's backstrom that disappoints
You implied that Lemieux didn’t play defense like Ovechkin didn’t play defense. I shouldn’t have to connect the dots for you.
Yes. It sucks that a lot of them were mismatches. However all that remain are going to be a lot of fun particularly Pens/Caps Predators/Jets. I’m surprised NJ didn’t put up a bigger fight against TB but experience means a whole lot.
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