It was reported online that Pitt coaches are at hoophall watching 3 big Pitt targets today. I have full evidence Pitt is recruiting these 3 hard, Dickinson, Timberlake, and Drumgoole. And I fully believe interest is mutual with all 3 and all 3 are very high on Pitt, which is my own personal opinion.
Vader: The New Hope: Capel Dials up Full Court Press on Recruiting, Part 2
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As long as he can play defense, he's worth a look. Stewart couldn't play defense if his life depended on it. On this team, he would have sat on the bench for most or all of the game. 3 point shooting is just part of the game, and playing defense is where it starts.
Yeah but there is always room for a "shooter". Look at Buddy Boeheim. I forget the kid from Louisville a few years back (Hancock?) even our buddy Jason Maile.
I think Parker Stewart would have really helped this team.
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Drumgoole is a composite 4*. He has five P6 offers not including Pitt.
Coulibaly is a former composite 4*, still rated as a 4* by ESPN. He has eight P6 offers not including Pitt. He also has great tape against high level competition in international play (small high school, though).
Hugley and "the one" Champaign(ie) are 2020 recruits. Plenty of time to continue to evaluate, but both have 3 P6 offers not including Pitt.
Your opinion that these are A10 level recruits is based on what exactly?
If anything JC may have gotten Parker into the next gear he didn't know he had.
They just announced on the hoophall broadcast that Pitt is one of 5 schools recruiting Dickinson the hardest per Dickinson. And Drumgoole looks good, he just buried another 3. Timberlake Looks good too.
I'd be very pleased with commitments from Drumgoole and Couibaly. I don't know enough about Hugley and Champaign just yet, but I assume that they too would be solid additions.
Christian Brown looked real good yesterday. It would be nice to get him.
Buddy Boeheim averages 3.7ppg. We allowed him to get wide open looks. No one else will now and he can’t create his own shot. He is a spot shooter.
Ashton was a Big East All-Conference player. False equivalency.
Yeah - Ashton wasn't great at creating his own shot, but he had a very quick trigger when he had an open look.
I feel like you could crochet mittens waiting for Boeheim's release. It's like a push shot.
All these guys that Steel mentioned are mouth watering. I just don't want to get my hopes up until Capel starts closing the deal. Every day that passes without a commitment worries me.
I posted in the wrong thread. 247 just changed Hughley weight to 260lbs and upped him to 4 star in the composite. Hes now 160 nationally. 247 reads this message board and adjusts accordingly LOL. I really want the Oak Hill duo Brown and Thomas. Thomas scoring ability is ridiculously good and I may want him the most, he really looks good. Dam NC State.
I should have been more clear, my point was you don't have to create your own shot to be a good player.
Doooooooooood. I haven't been following these threads closely but DRUMGOOLE is an A-10 recruit? That's insane. He's probably my favorite Pitt level recruit of this whole cycle along with Chris Ledlum. I mean, did anyone watch him today? He's a star.
He's a good shooter who can also drive to the hoop with good athleticism. I doubt both he and Brown would want to come here together, and it would be pretty damn hard to pick between the two. It seems like we're in a better spot for Drumgoole. He'd fit nicely at the 3 next year, spotting up on the wing and in the corner getting dished out 3s from the two guards.
I'm missing something why the 2 of them cant play together at the 2 and 3. Brown was a former 5 star that had turf toe last year. He slid in the rankings playing with the injury and looks healthy now. Brown can shoot too. He was a 37% 3 point shooter at Adidas last summer. I dont understand at all all this opinion why both of them cant come to Pitt and play together. They both are athletic and can shoot. Why not?? Anyone? Vader???
Ashton had that slick side step to create enough separation for him shot.
Folks always Undersold his ability to create his shot because it wasn’t flashy and athletic.
Just effective
Agree. There has always been a place on any team for a great shooter. Gibbs was an all-BE player for us without being able to do anything off the bounce.
Not defending SMF but why bag on a player like Mason when we spent about 10 years with a roster full of guards that could neither create nor shoot?
The kid was a good college player and a great shooter.
That's not creating his own shot. That's giving himself space to get his shot up. Any strong perimeter shooter is able to do that, it's not like they get to stand alone in a gym and shoot uncontested. Any high-level spot up jump shooter can create a little space off the catch and get the shot up quick. Ashton was certainly that kind of player.
Ashton was a great shooter but couldn't shoot or create off the dribble, we all saw what happened his senior year when he became a primary ballhandler and had to shoot off the bounce.
Buddy Boeheim is shooting 30.8% from three point range and 29% overall this year. He can't shoot over anyone or get room to get off his shot. He can make a shot if he is wide open, sometimes. That's not a good recipe if you want playing time. Hence, there are several games where he didn't even play, and his Dad is the head coach.[/QUOTE]
First let me mention that I didn’t leave players out for any particular reason. For example, Pitt is still recruiting Morton and a lot of other players, I just didn’t mention them in this particular thread post.
Pitt could take up to 6 in 2019. Let’s look at what we have as the building block
Pg-Johnson
Sg-Mcgowens
Sf-
W / PF- Toney
C- Brown
Bench G-Davis
That’s it. We have a strong building block, but have 8 ships to work with the next 2 years and playing time all over the place except at PG which is fairly locked up with the 2 freshmen for now. There is starter minutes and backup minutes there for the taking.
Second, players committing will 100% impact other players coming. I put a huge piece out on Timberlake weeks ago. One of the biggest things Timberlake wants is a chance to start and good PT as a frosh, it is very important to him. If Pitt starts landing 2’s and 3’s and there isn't open playing time, Timberlake is almost 100% going somewhere else most likely.
The only reason the twins should prep is because they want more exposure and offers to / from other teams as they build their skill sets. If they are set on say Pitt, it makes zero sense to prep. At worst case they redshirt a year playing under a real college coach, not a high school coach to get ready for D1 basketball. Pitt is in good position here.
Pitt needs talent everywhere. We are in a position to be selective, but not highly selective if that makes sense. Every player I mentioned is good and has talent to play at this level. None of these players are A-10 reaches. Pitt will certainly without question take Wahab and Coulibaly and there is a decent chance Pitt is getting both of them. The ball needs to start rolling and we need players under our wing. Of course, some of these players are better than others on the list. But if one of them is ready to say Im coming to Pitt, we are taking him.
Third, Drumgoole and Brown, 100% both will be taken if we can get both. This is the age of position less basketball. We couldn’t run these 2 together against a press team right now, but against a zone team like Syracuse, absolutely these two could play together on the floor because they can shoot. Both very well may visit at the exact same time in February together. We want both.
Third, the skill sets of these players are not the same. As Pitt continues to land players, we can be more selective with other targets that fit our needs. For now, we have needs everywhere. We need shooters from 3. Drumgoole and Brown offer that. We need big men badly. We need players that focus on defense. We need players that can rebound. We recruit for the most part high level athletes. And Capel is going to continue recruiting players with TTA (Toughness, Tenacity, Aggressive) attitude as I mentioned earlier.
Fourth, and this is a big question, where does Toney wind up down the road. Do we use him at the 4. Do we try to fully transition him to the 3. Does he play both. Toney is very underrated. He is the top player for the entire season in plus minus for the entire team at +159. Mcgowens is number 2 at +141, Johnson 4th. N’dir is ranked last in our regular rotation in plus minus. Toney also is a very good defensive player and our best rebounder. He is not, however, a good 3 point shooter right now.
Fifth, and let’s be realistic, Kevin Keatts is a player’s coach and players love him and he recruits well. He’s also becoming a major pain recruiting against him. They already have 2 very good combo guards committed and Seabron is far from being a full time PG in college, he is more a point forward 3. At what point do recruits look at the logjam down there and say Id rather start at Pitt as a true freshman with next to zero competition than play behind 3 guys ahead of me. Lecque plans to enter the nba early but he is behind for now getting there as early as he wants. We are going right at NC State for both Oak Hill kids. And they are a contender for another 5-star guard, Jaden Springer. Pitt is spending a lot of time watching Oak Hill and Brown / Thomas.
Most of these players are visiting Pitt in the future and a good number of them have already been to Pitt on unofficials. Every time a player comes down to visit, we have a chance to close. I cant tell you exactly how Capel wants to piece the puzzle together with the future roster. I can tell you who Pitt really wants. Landing a good number of the players I am writing about will vault us into the team everyone wants to become in the future. I like our chances…
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Mason couldn't get his shot off against anyone with average athleticism. He would have never left the bench in a P5 conference.
He wouldn't have seen the court at Duquesne if they were even an average team.
He wouldn't have seen the court at Duquesne if they were even an average team.
So-
Your counter is to demonstrate how he was able to create enough separation to get off his shot-
To prove he couldn’t create his own shot.
Hold up. Mason is the 4th best 3 point shooter that ever lived and you honestly believe he couldnt play for ANY major D1 teams even though the A10 was really good with Xavier, Temple, Shaka, and Archie.
If you can shoot like that, you can play just about anywhere.
Whoa. I can't believe we are doing this. This isn't football. This is why Pitt and Pittsburgh basketball fans are the worst. P5 conference? What the hell does that mean? Xavier. Villanova. Gonzaga. They aren't P5 conference teams, and they have been as good as any programs the last decade. Nevada, Marquette, Providence, friggin Buffalo. Butler went to back to back Final 4's and Champ games.
Let's stop with the elitism here.
It doesn't work that way.
Using your logic, Isaac Williams, Calvin Songster and Trevor Osborne wouldn't have been D3 players. They all shoot the 3 better than your hero in this fantasy tale.
Using your logic, Isaac Williams, Calvin Songster and Trevor Osborne wouldn't have been D3 players. They all shoot the 3 better than your hero in this fantasy tale.
There wasn't any "elitism" in what I was writing- Mason wouldn't have gotten off the bench on the teams you mentioned as well.
You left out the only school that really matters in all of this: Duquesne.
You left out the only school that really matters in all of this: Duquesne.
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I remember there was an old guy, a retired doctor I think, who used to shoot 3 pointers as a halftime show. Usually made about 48 of 50. I wonder why he turned down all those major offers he must have received.
That did not take long. LOL. Hugley is coming back a 2nd time to Pitt just like you said for the Pitt Duke game. Just read it on Twitter. Hopefully the handler comes too. New Pitt commit here with Hugley? I'll take him.
Reported on twitter DJ Gordon in For game tonight. Hopeful we put in a strong performace and get a commit. Also wonder who else is there tonight.
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