They have the championships to prove it.But he is still bashed on this board, strictly out of jealousy. Let's face it, the Nits nailed that hire, and have the resources to put behind him and let him do his thing.
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They have the championships to prove it.But he is still bashed on this board, strictly out of jealousy. Let's face it, the Nits nailed that hire, and have the resources to put behind him and let him do his thing.
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You're a good fan. God bless you.No question about that. PSU Men’s hoops has long been neglected. They have a real chance to make the tournament this year, but I wouldn’t count on it.
I think they have the most NCAA championships outside of the big 3 in the state of California (Stanford, UCLA, USC). Of course, you could argue that sports outside of football and basketball don’t matter, but If that were truly the case, it would only really make sense to dump all resources into football.
Doesn't tOSU get smoked in the CFP? Doesn't seem to hurt their perception -or- recruiting. If Franklin would leave PSU (which quite honestly I could care less if he stays there forever) it would be to escape tOSU and Michigan (and MSU to a degree also). Being at a school that has a REAL shot of being in the final conversation annually could seduce any HC.Franklin has done a lot of preaching about the team being family, and how he feels like he has 105 sons in addition to his 2 daughters. Maybe that is true, maybe that is bullshit. I do think, however, that if he leaves to more easily pursue his goal of being the first African-American coach to win a national championship, then that narrative will be shown to be completely false, since he'd be abandoning his "family" in order to achieve a singular personal goal. Now, he wouldn't the first or last coach to make such a move, but if he does then he will lose the ability to use one of his main selling points to recruits and assistant coaches, and in my view this would greatly diminish his effectiveness as a salesman. (And yes, great recruiters are all salesmen.)
The question is, as difficult as it is to get out of the Big Ten east and make the CFP, of what value is it for a PAC-12 team to get there more easily? Those teams don't play anybody that are any good for most of the season, and then all of a sudden they have to play real teams from the SEC. Chances are they get smoked most of the time. At the end of the day they win as many national championships as PSU, which effectively means likely none.
He still winds up getting paid, either way, just like all big time coaches. In that regard, none of them are losers.
Ohio State is 2-1 with a National Championship in the CFP era. They got smoked once....when they were invited to the party as a non-conference champion.Doesn't tOSU get smoked in the CFP?
No school in my lifetime probably was as negatively affected, effect that we are feeling 35+ years later, by a single coaching change. I am talking Sherrill to Foge.
And then of course there's the years the B1G got shut out of the CFP completely, so yeah.....Ohio State is 2-1 with a National Championship in the CFP era. They got smoked once....when they were invited to the party as a non-conference champion.
And then of course there's the years the B1G got shut out of the CFP completely, so yeah.....
I find it very ironic they are here at all.We have a nit fan on our Pitt board defending USU, meanwhile OSU fans could give two cents about PSU~
Now, having said all that, USC is one of the few jobs in the country that is CLEARLY a better job than the Penn State job.
However, there’s certainly no shame in that because that’s one of the top four or five jobs in the country.
The Penn State job isn’t missing much and I agree with those who say that they have all the resources they need to compete for any coach. However, the USC job is just on a different level with regard to available talent and commitment and everything else.
Also, Penn State is never going to be the top program in the Big Ten. It’s probably the third strongest program in the Big Ten behind Michigan or Ohio State. That is not to say that they can’t win the league every few years, because they obviously can. However, they don’t have the same structural supports as those programs. In that way, I see Penn State as being a bit more like Nebraska and Wisconsin — which is still outstanding, but not on the Ohio State or Michigan level.
USC, on the other hand, obviously can be at that level and really should be at that level. I mean if you were too look around and think of everything that all of the top programs have, who has more potential than Southern California?
Texas maybe?
Alsbama?
Florida?
Georgia?
Notre Dane?
Ohio State?
Oklahoma?
That’s basically the list and I think USC compares favorably to most of those elite schools.
Also, the Pac-12 is relatively down. It’s having a nicer year this year than it is had in several years, but it is still ripe for the picking. It’s a great opportunity. Let me put it this way, if it was a stock, you would want to buy it right now.
They just renovated the LA Memorial Coliseum and they are desperate to get back to the Pete Carroll days, so they are going to pay out the wazoo for whoever they hire next.
They tried to go the cheap route and it obviously didn’t work. They are going to go for a big name guy and Urban Meyer obviously makes the most sense. That is who I would consider the overwhelming favorite to take that job.
Also, I think he would destroy it there.
However, let’s say he really is finished with coaching. Who would be the next slam dunk guy who they know could recruit well there and who would be interested in it?
I think at that point, Franklin makes all the sense in the world. Really, who else is there that would fit that bill and excite the people of LA?
In my opinion there are about 3-4 That are clearly better.
1) Bama
2) OSU
3) Texas
5) Georgia
In addition to your four: Clemson, Florida, LSU, Auburn, USC, Oklahoma and Florida State are all easier places to win national titles from than Penn State. Possibly Notre Dame too -- at least they've made two CFPs. That has to be a big part of any "best job" ranking.
Clemson may have the best overall facilities in the country at this point. The fact you don't put them ahead of Penn State just shows a sort of old timey mindset. They get the top recruiting classes in the country because the players know what it's like to play there NOW.
I'd put PSU high in the mix in the "second tier", along with Oregon and Michigan.
Don't worry, I think Pitt is third or fourth tier at best.
Ummmmmm No. Not close. Temple was Temple even before Bruce Arians.Naw, I'd have to say Temple's ill-conceived firing of Bruce Arians topped that. (Then-President Peter Liacouras wanted a coach who could take Temple football to the "next level". Yeah, he got "next level", all right. About 25 years of "next level" . . . but I don't think he was anticipating THAT level.)
There are jagoffs there, too. USC is a private school, only Volleyball star daughters of celebs can get in.Plus, I am guessing USC doesn't have a fanbase willing to write handwritten letters to their players about their dreadlocks and tattoos.
Oklahoma is about as blue blood as they come. 3 playoff appearances already under the new system, 48 conference titles, 7 claimed national titles, 10 unclaimed or shared national titles, 7 Heisman winners. Yes, I've been to Oklahoma, I would never want to live there. That never seems to stop their recruiting. I think they're automatically in the top tier just behind Alabama as a destination job.
Not disagreeing about OU - I would put them slightly behind the top 3-5.
You're right about Florida States' facilities. Yet I do think they are in the mix because you can win a national title there. Their previous two head coaches both did.
Yes - you can win a title there - but any of the top 10-15 schools can win a title. I think the difference is minor but enough to put them behind most of the other blue bloods.
Clemson is where we disagree the most. Dabo has a 10 year $92 million deal. They have the best training facilities in the country. They routinely have the #1, 2, or 3 recruiting class in the country. They don't have great history, but to young players, that doesn't matter that much. Their recruiting turf is excellent because they can grab some of the top players from South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida. It's just a better job than Penn State now. If Dabo left tomorrow, their next coach would also have a lot to sell players (who are now growing up watching Clemson win national titles) on.
I don't disagree that it is a better situation than PSU right now. My questions are more around uncertainty. You say the next coach will just roll on. I am sure USC thought that. I am sure Texas thought that. I am sure that Bama thought that when bear left. The fact is few programs follow a great coach with another great coach (OSU did when Tressel left and they got Meyer). I am not 100% convinced that this isn't a flash in the pan for Clemson and that if/when Dabo leaves they will continue. Also - their rise also coincided FSU/MIAMI/VT all being down. I am not saying they won't continue to be a top 10-15 program - but there are no guarantees.
Also - their recruiting ranking from the past 7 classes (247 composite) - (2014-2020) - .16, 9, 11, 16, 7, 10, 1* (I am starring this cause the ratings for 2020 aren't complete).
Despite the best run in their history - the average ranking is 10th. While very good - isn't top 2-3.
I do believe that you are giving way to much credit to james franklin as a recruiter. In fact, in my opinion, Pat Narduzzi is a much better recruiter then him. franklin gets to walk into the homes of potential recruits and tell them about their 107,000+ stadium that is full of fans 7 games a year. Narduzzi on the other hand, has to try and sell a stadium that is half full to that same 17 year old who thinks he is NFL stud. USC would be making a huge mistake if they were to hire him.They have the money. He can recruit and knows how to hire good assistants. With a good team it is an easier road to the playoff.
I do believe that you are giving way to much credit to james franklin as a recruiter. In fact, in my opinion, Pat Narduzzi is a much better recruiter then him. franklin gets to walk into the homes of potential recruits and tell them about their 107,000+ stadium that is full of fans 7 games a year. Narduzzi on the other hand, has to try and sell a stadium that is half full to that same 17 year old who thinks he is NFL stud. USC would be making a huge mistake if they were to hire him.
Oklahoma is about as blue blood as they come. 3 playoff appearances already under the new system, 48 conference titles, 7 claimed national titles, 10 unclaimed or shared national titles, 7 Heisman winners. Yes, I've been to Oklahoma, I would never want to live there. That never seems to stop their recruiting. I think they're automatically in the top tier just behind Alabama as a destination job.
You're right about Florida States' facilities. Yet I do think they are in the mix because you can win a national title there. Their previous two head coaches both did.
Clemson is where we disagree the most. Dabo has a 10 year $92 million deal. They have the best training facilities in the country. They routinely have the #1, 2, or 3 recruiting class in the country. They don't have great history, but to young players, that doesn't matter that much. Their recruiting turf is excellent because they can grab some of the top players from South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida. It's just a better job than Penn State now. If Dabo left tomorrow, their next coach would also have a lot to sell players (who are now growing up watching Clemson win national titles) on.
I was just at Florida State and I found its facilities to be quite nice. The Doak is nicer than The Swamp, IMO. Not as large nor as intimidating but FSU a very nice campus overall.
Honestly - other than size - stadium doesn't play a huge part in an athletes decision. They are there a total of 20 hours or so all year. It is the practice facilities, the work out facilities, the amenities in the the athletes area, the dorms/etc. this is where the bulk of the athletes time is spent and what they care about. FSU lacks severely there compared to the top of the top. Not saying it is bad - but it isn't great either. It was one of the many reasons that Jimbo left.
Look at your recruits - when the speak of the facilities and sharing space with the steelers - it isn't as much Heinz - but UPMC center (or whatever its called).
You are a enabler fan so I will decipher this for you.
The players (Panthers & Steelers) are at the UPMC training facility together...... working out, practicing, eating and rehabbing most of the time. They never play a game at Heinz Field at the same time.
This is correct. There are really only a few schools that get a substantial "bump" in recruiting based on the game day atmosphere, and they're usually because the stadium is massive (PSU, OSU, Michigan), or otherwise produces games that have a reputation (night games at LSU, PSU, etc.).No kidding. My point is that they rave more about the facilities on the southside then they do Heinz. Look at every recruit when they mention stadium - they talk atmosphere - but when they talk facilities it is in relation to the practice facilities - the locker rooms there, and everything else BUT THE ACTUAL stadium. that was point - as another poster said Doak Campbell was nicer than the swamp.
This is correct. There are really only a few schools that get a substantial "bump" in recruiting based on the game day atmosphere, and they're usually because the stadium is massive (PSU, OSU, Michigan), or otherwise produces games that have a reputation (night games at LSU, PSU, etc.).
Penn State is one of the few schools that has both of those things in its favor, and to their credit they sell it well to recruits. But even then, they lose out on a collection of high-level guys to other top schools who have slightly lesser game day environments/smaller stadiums, but have world-class training and practice facilities - see, them losing Bryan Bresee to Clemson, Justin Fields to Georgia, or Julian Fleming to OSU. The white out couldn't overcome the fact that the day-to-day facilities at those schools are better.
I think they have the most NCAA championships outside of the big 3 in the state of California (Stanford, UCLA, USC). Of course, you could argue that sports outside of football and basketball don’t matter, but If that were truly the case, it would only really make sense to dump all resources into football.
Supposedly there are boosters trying to put something together to lure Meyer to Florida St, but I don’t think he’d be nearly as willing to go there as he would to USC.
As a guy who spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on college tuition for his kids, I do find the college football arms race to be offensive. Those schools with $75 million football buildings and $50 million football dorms are slapping their regular students in the face, when tuition costs keep rising and rising beyond comprehension. I'm obviously in the minority, since blowback is minimal, and I realize that most of those dollars come from private donors, but the whole state of college sports is out of whack.