Season over. Meanwhile Columbus just picked up Ryan Dzingel. Looks like they’re gearing up for a long run.
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Tried to be diplomatic-Kind of like saying Big Ben played well, except for those 2 crucial interceptions. Or make that 3 counting a 3rd in OT.
Maybe he was getting the shakes.Crushing loss.
Doesn’t look like the pens have what it takes. two really awful goals let in by Murray to end the game.
Being diplomatic, I’ll call it unfortunate. Two bad goals in the blink of an eye to turn a W into a loss.Tried to be diplomatic-
So the Murray dogs don’t come howling
Tried to be diplomatic-
So the Murray dogs don’t come howling
They need to trade it for a goalie and a defensive defensemanNo you are right. Murray was just, I mean you have to make those saves, especially with the job the 4 guys played in front of you. He was not good at all. He looked like he was going to be great and win this game, and he just failed. He failed. No other explanation needed. He failed.
It's on Murray. And yes, am I concerned?? Yeah.
But also I just don't think this team has it overall so I hope they don't trade a #1 pick for a rental.
I dunno Souf. I would rather see what happens, then this off season make some big moves like Phil and hey maybe you package Murray, and retool the team. I wouldn't mind seeing Jarry here right now and see what happens.They need to trade it for a goalie and a defensive defenseman
I dunno Souf. I would rather see what happens, then this off season make some big moves like Phil and hey maybe you package Murray, and retool the team. I wouldn't mind seeing Jarry here right now and see what happens.
Sprong healthy scratch for last four gamesYeah Sullivan was great in winning cups, but more than any sport, coaches have shelf lives in the NHL. He is completely stubborn and cost the Pens #1 draft picks by having Ryan Reaves (who incidentally scored more goals in the playoffs than the entire Pens bottom 6 last year) Reaves has 6 goals and 11 points this year. That is more than Derek Brassard. I am not saying this because I think Ryan Reaves was the 2nd coming of Rick Tocchet, I am saying this because he was a good player, who Jim Rutherford traded a #1 pick for and Sullivan never gave him a chance.
Daniel Sprong has 3 goals in 6 games so far with Anaheim. Yet, he never got a fair chance here. Sully didn't like him. I don't care if he has an "attitude" so does Phil Kessel. So we wasted the best prospect in the system for a 5/6 pairing defenseman essentially. We traded a 1 pick and goalie prospect for Brassard and he has been a disaster.
The Pens leading scorers, Sid, Geno and Kessel with 36 points, are tied for 23rd in the NHL! There are 22 guys ahead of these guys. An amazing stat, both Sid and Geno play on the PP and have 36 points, so all of those shorties against the Pens count against their +/- stats and Sid is Plus 9 and Geno is MINUS 14! My god, I know now with all of the advanced stats out there this is not looked at as much, but that to me is almost impossible and certainly reflective of the difference in play 5 on 5 from Sid and Geno. Meaning, Geno has been friggin horrible.
Goaltending has been "meh". DeSmith has been good, Murray has been bad, but Murray has been out a month, so the whipping boy can't be blamed on the overall performance this past month. What can be? The Pens gave up 36 shots last night. 41 shots to the anemic LA Kings. 51 shots to the reeling Boston Bruins. That's just horrible. Jacques friggin Plante isn't going to fare well with those numbers.
They scored on the PP last night, but haven't had any PP goals in the 8 games prior. They aren't getting power plays.
To me, the #1 culprit for this is Geno. He has been horrible. Phil is along side of him. Hornquist's injury hurts. Brassard is garbage. Maatta can't be moved soon enough. Almost every team now looks faster than the Penguins, maybe this is the end, the window is slamming shut and really there is no longer any young guys coming up. There is no cap room. I hope and pray that Rutherford doesn't trade his #1 pick this year, because there is no guarantee they are making the playoffs.
Other teams have caught up and even passed them. The Caps have managed to retool and infuse some talent into the lineup with Ovy and Backstrom. I thought when they signed Orpik and Oshie and Niskanen to long term contracts they were done, but no they aren't.
I know last year was similar this time, but the team is a year older, there hasn't been a young player really inserted to boost the team, and all of those golden moves Rutherford made, well since last year, none look good. Maybe the end of the ride fellas.
Yeah, I just don't see any moves to make. I think you ride this out and then completely retool (trade Kessel, some others) this offseason.The handwriting is on the wall for a team that at full strength is giving up too many bad goals.
Now with 3 of your 6 best D men on the shelf and both your goalies not making the big saves, anyone think it is going to get better?
Sid and now Geno are doing their best, but that's only two lines.
Pretty late to reform your roster, and didn't they just do that anyway?
Team seems fragile, but maybe that's because of the physical play of their opponents?
This really sucks because was looking forward to a nice playoff run by the Pens for entertainment purposes. Guess now, just get ready to go fishing...
Some things....
1) I think the team is beginning to tune out Mike Sullivan
2) I think Patrick Hornquist has no brain left in that head from all the concussions. He is like the scarecrow from the "Wizard of Oz".
3) I think Phil Kessell is done here. He is a complete malcontent. He needs to take his hotdog eating act to another city where he will be good again. He is another one who ignores Sullivan.
4) Not sure how long we will be minus our two best defenseman. I am not sure it matters. We were giving up plenty of goals with them and we can give up plenty without them.
5) we lead the league in hits so say the stats. If you watched that game last night the Flyers beat the snot out of us. We are so soft and fragile, nobody on this team has any guts except Mallkin. That has to be the most phony stat ever kept.
6) there has been no secondary scoring all year. We also are lost on special teams. We give up shorthanded goals at the rate of one per game it seems.
7) It is too late to retool, although I wouldn't mind seeing some late trades. That said we are fast approaching the closing of the window for Geno and Sid and looking at an era of Penguins hockey that will likely return to something resembling the early eighties prior to the arrival of the best player ever, who saved this franchise twice. We need to hang on to our number one picks now, or he will have to save it a third time.
8) This one is for Mr. Know it All, otherwise known as Souf. The hit last night was an illegal hit and should have been penalized. The shoulder of Symmonds struck Dumo's head as the principal point of contact, driving Dumo's head into the glass. It doesn't matter if it was unintentional, it is still a penalty.
9) Lastly, Sullivan has shown to be very unflexable. His way or no way at all. He does not adapt to anything going on in the league. He has the players adapt to his style of hockey. He has outlived his shelf-life. I would off him and start next season with new players we acquire when this season mercifully ends, and a have a new coach in place.
In a strange way, Letang getting injured could allow the team to make a deal. If he is out for an extended time, they could put him on IR which would give them a little room to make a trade before tomorrow’s deadline. With Letang, they have virtually no cap space to make a move.1. Agree. It happens, especially with such a dominant voice and coach. As I said in another thread, coaches in the NHL get fired because you can't fire the whole team.
2. Really curious why they rushed Hornquist back from his last concussion to play in a game before they had an 8 day layoff? Wouldn't it have been smart to sit him out that game and the layoff? Not saying this exacerbated his situation, but he hasn't been the same player since that concussion.
3. Yeah, he comes with a shelf life and it is definitely past due. I would have traded him last off season to be honest. And it says a lot that he has this incredible games played streak but he should have been sat sometimes. He is selfish.
4.Yeah if those two are out, well like I have been saying "Jimmy you better not give up your #1 pick this year".
5. I said this also in another thread. It is a horrible stat to be at the top of, because obviously the Pens aren't physical and all this stat means is the Penguins are not in possession of the puck a lot and always chasing the other team. It is a bad stat for the Pens.
6. None. And now the PP has gone dry, so this team is just in trouble.
7. I agree. I don't think there is a trade to be made in the next 36 hours, unless someone wants Tanner Pearson or Jack Johnson. Just ride this out and see what happens. Retool this offseason.
8. For the first time in Pens/Flyers history, the Pens had ZERO power plays. Of course how the PP has been performing, maybe that was a good thing. But it sure seems like the refs (league) are looking for new playoff teams, because the Pens are getting zero breaks and calls.
9. Agree. This isn't the 2016 Pens. Hey, with Joel Quenneville out there, I wouldn't be adverse to jettisoning Sully and hiring Quenneville.
Some things....
1) I think the team is beginning to tune out Mike Sullivan
2) I think Patrick Hornquist has no brain left in that head from all the concussions. He is like the scarecrow from the "Wizard of Oz".
3) I think Phil Kessell is done here. He is a complete malcontent. He needs to take his hotdog eating act to another city where he will be good again. He is another one who ignores Sullivan.
4) Not sure how long we will be minus our two best defenseman. I am not sure it matters. We were giving up plenty of goals with them and we can give up plenty without them.
5) we lead the league in hits so say the stats. If you watched that game last night the Flyers beat the snot out of us. We are so soft and fragile, nobody on this team has any guts except Mallkin. That has to be the most phony stat ever kept.
6) there has been no secondary scoring all year. We also are lost on special teams. We give up shorthanded goals at the rate of one per game it seems.
7) It is too late to retool, although I wouldn't mind seeing some late trades. That said we are fast approaching the closing of the window for Geno and Sid and looking at an era of Penguins hockey that will likely return to something resembling the early eighties prior to the arrival of the best player ever, who saved this franchise twice. We need to hang on to our number one picks now, or he will have to save it a third time.
8) This one is for Mr. Know it All, otherwise known as Souf. The hit last night was an illegal hit and should have been penalized. The shoulder of Symmonds struck Dumo's head as the principal point of contact, driving Dumo's head into the glass. It doesn't matter if it was unintentional, it is still a penalty.
9) Lastly, Sullivan has shown to be very unflexable. His way or no way at all. He does not adapt to anything going on in the league. He has the players adapt to his style of hockey. He has outlived his shelf-life. I would off him and start next season with new players we acquire when this season mercifully ends, and a have a new coach in place.
You can't keep turning over the roster. You can't keep moving players up and down the lines. These guys have to get used to playing with each other. You can't be a dictator a-hole as a coach. It just doesn't work in the NHL.
Murray's honeymoon is over. I don't know what JR can do in the next 2 days. Cullen was a mistake but he keeps getting sent out there while Blueger gets splinters in his ass. I think these guys are extremely miss managed and coach continues to play favorites. I hate to say let this year play out, because the window will be slamming shut in 3-4 years. 1st rounf exit or Stanley cup, this team needs a new coach, gm, you name it.
Somebody please show me a picture of Simmonds shoulder to chin being the initial point of contact. I've watched the damn thing over and over again and don't see it. Not for 1 second do I see Simmonds targeting the head, which is the only thing I can see that would make it a "dirty play".
He also does not leave his feet to make the hit.
When your coach does not believe in physical play, you continually see the cheap shot injuries our players suffer.You can't keep turning over the roster. You can't keep moving players up and down the lines. These guys have to get used to playing with each other. You can't be a dictator a-hole as a coach. It just doesn't work in the NHL.
Murray's honeymoon is over. I don't know what JR can do in the next 2 days. Cullen was a mistake but he keeps getting sent out there while Blueger gets splinters in his ass. I think these guys are extremely miss managed and coach continues to play favorites. I hate to say let this year play out, because the window will be slamming shut in 3-4 years. 1st rounf exit or Stanley cup, this team needs a new coach, gm, you name it.
So he’ll be suspended, right?Go to the 1:25 mark and slow it down frame by frame and watch the hit and rest of the video ....
https://websports.net/Journal/67990/Video--Wayne-Simmonds-Hit-On-Brian-Dumoulin/
Somebody please show me a picture of Simmonds shoulder to chin being the initial point of contact. I've watched the damn thing over and over again and don't see it. Not for 1 second do I see Simmonds targeting the head, which is the only thing I can see that would make it a "dirty play".
He also does not leave his feet to make the hit.
When your coach does not believe in physical play, you continually see the cheap shot injuries our players suffer.
Ironically, I don't believe that the hit was intentionally delivered to injure Dumoulin, which is saying something considering the offender was Wayne Symmonds. That said, it was a penalty and I don't think it deserves a suspension. It is just like when a player is careless with the stick and hits someone high with it. Even tho it was accidental, it is still a penalty.So he’ll be suspended, right?
I wouldn’t count on it.
I don't see how anyone can continually accept their best players being hit from behind and hit in the head. Rutherford tried to do something about it, Sullivan would not play along. Sullivan is a roll 4 lines guy. He believes on making opponents pay with power play goals.The Pens organization doesn't believe in it. I think Sullivan, much like his mentor Tortarella would play those guys. Mario doesn't believe in it and doesn't want it. I agree with him.
I don't see how anyone can continually accept their best players being hit from behind and hit in the head. Rutherford tried to do something about it, Sullivan would not play along. Sullivan is a roll 4 lines guy. He believes on making opponents pay with power play goals.
I know if I am Letang or Crosby, I would prefer another approach.
For the most part I agree. We had Caulfield, Larocque and Reeves.Are you new to Penguins hockey? Our superstars have been taking a beating with no protection since 1980.
So he’ll be suspended, right?
I wouldn’t count on it.
Are you new to Penguins hockey? Our superstars have been taking a beating with no protection since 1980.
What’s krystof oliwa up to?The Penguins have employed some of the most worthless goons in the game during those years.
So he’ll be suspended, right?
I wouldn’t count on it.
Even Simmonds thought it was a major.Did you notice he didn't sit down in the penalty box right away?That's a sure sign of guilt.Regarding the Simmonds hit on Dumoulin ...... I agree with you that it should have been a penalty as the main contact was Simmond's shoulder to Dumoulin's chin ...... on a hit to the head, you can either give a 2 minute minor if unintentional or a match penalty if the refs deem it intentional/deliberate attempt to injure ...... I don't think you could definitely say it was an intentional attempt to injure so at least a 2 minute minor should have been called ..... all the scrum after that should have been matching penalties so that the Pens IMO should have had a 2 minute power play ..... the refs calls led to a 4 on 4 situation.
Some thought Simmonds left his skates which could lead to a charging call and since Dumoulin was injured could have lead to a match penalty ..... in reviewing multiple angles of the replay, I couldn't see a time where Simmonds definitely had both skates off the ice at the same time so I couldn't clearly see a charging penalty.
Just my opinion.
Even Simmonds thought it was a major.Did you notice he didn't sit down in the penalty box right away?That's a sure sign of guilt.