seems to me the only one not ready on the snap was Fields...watch the replay. Everyone got a great jump as the ball was snapped..
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Fields is likely in the conversation for the worst quarterback in NFL history when it comes to center/qb exchanges. I'm putting it on him until someone definitively says otherwise.
Fields said after the game that he screwed up. He did the same thing in Chicago multiple times.
Fields straight up said it was his fault. Said as soon as he does the first leg lift, the call goes to Frazier and fields needs to be ready for the snap
How in the hell was it his fault when the guard didn’t tap the center. NO TAP NO SNAP! He’s just taking one for the team.
No matter who's fault it was, I just read a comment coach catch phrase must have made during his post game presser. He must have been asked why Fields was in the shotgun on the 4th and 1 and I almost fell off my chair at his reply.
"Some of these guys get to the NFL level and they’ve never taken a snap from center with their hands under. It’s just kind of a function of today’s ball."
Really, he said that? I'm sorry, but these guys have OTA's, training camp and practice, and this is what he said? So they play both Broderick Jones and Troy Fautanu at right tackle when they played left their college careers. They tried to make Kendrick Green a center when he played guard in college?
He should have just come out and said he was out coached by a bad head coach today.
"Some of these guys get to the NFL level and they’ve never taken a snap from center with their hands under. It’s just kind of a function of today’s ball."
Really, he said that? I'm sorry, but these guys have OTA's, training camp and practice, and this is what he said? So they play both Broderick Jones and Troy Fautanu at right tackle when they played left their college careers. They tried to make Kendrick Green a center when he played guard in college?
He should have just come out and said he was out coached by a bad head coach today.
Watching this Ravens game and watching a receiver run a route like that and score a TD is something I forget looks like in a Steeler uniform. It’s been years.
There's some truth to guys not being comfortable taking snaps under center because they don't do it in college. Here's the thing, you're a pro and you've been in the league a few years. It's something you need to work on so it isn't an excuse.
Tomlin has no problem using stupid excuses like that because nobody pushes back. It's a bad loss and they looked pretty bad for most of the game. Were it not for the Colts QB getting hurt that might have been a blowout.
I swear we ran a play earlier in the game with Fields under center. Either way, there is no reason an NFL center and QB can’t be taught to run a play where the QB takes a snap under center.
He was under center the first play of the game. You know, the one where his offensive lineman stepped on his foot and pretty much ruined the play.
So I thought that blaming Fields for that snap was just folks being petty. I defended him a bit, but with everything being reported, it was indeed Fields fault. His fumble and that botched snap don’t get accounted for in his QB rating and if they were the rating would have been much lower because they killed our chances to win. But…
No one is mentioning Pickens today. Well, some are mentioning his fumble which cost the Steelers points, but how about the TD pass he dropped? Fields put it right in his hands and he dropped it. No one is mentioning it. Did the Steelers score a TD on that drive or did they kick the field goal? I don’t remember. Could Fields have had 4 TDs yesterday?
And now there are videos of Pickens needing held back from Fields on the sideline. What was that about?
Not in order, but...
1) Tomlin electing not to challenge the 3rd down where Najee almost certainly picked up the 1st.
2) Anderson penalty/Fields sack taking them out of a field goal opportunity.
3) Pickens fumble.
4) Bad penalty call on Minkah... after what I thought could have been called intentional grounding (when Heyward had Flacco is his grasp), but I'd have to see it again.
5) Tomlin electing to punt instead of kicking like a 58-yard field goal indoors.
6) Fields not looking and getting doinked with the snap.
Yeah, that stuff adds up to a pretty disappointing series of events in a 3-point game. And, oh by the way, Baltimore appears to be back. This season truly is shaping up to be another Tomlin Special. 9-8/10-7 and an early playoff exit.
1) Tomlin electing not to challenge the 3rd down where Najee almost certainly picked up the 1st.
2) Anderson penalty/Fields sack taking them out of a field goal opportunity.
3) Pickens fumble.
4) Bad penalty call on Minkah... after what I thought could have been called intentional grounding (when Heyward had Flacco is his grasp), but I'd have to see it again.
5) Tomlin electing to punt instead of kicking like a 58-yard field goal indoors.
6) Fields not looking and getting doinked with the snap.
Yeah, that stuff adds up to a pretty disappointing series of events in a 3-point game. And, oh by the way, Baltimore appears to be back. This season truly is shaping up to be another Tomlin Special. 9-8/10-7 and an early playoff exit.
Fields is prone to some baffling mistakes. Had the same problem in Chicago. With Pickens, same story, different season. It's a deadly combination with those two. Will be beautiful when it's working but there will be some head scratching moments.
By dropped you mean fully extended with someone coming out his head ?
Much like last year Pickens is the least of the problems
Fully extended? It hit him in the facemask. A TRex or an alligator would have caught it.
lol, all true. hey, at least his offensive push off that he's so famous for wasnt called yesterday. need to thank the refs on that one..
Everyone looked ready and got a great jump? Really?
McCormick is still looking back at Fields
Anderson still checking defenders
Najee lookin relaxed, doesn't move until the ball hits Fields
Pickens barely moves the entire play
Edit: For fun I figured I'd pull the next play on the game highlight to see if there was a difference.
Both Tackles have kicked back
All three interior linemen with hands up to block
All four receivers already pushing off
Najee lookin relaxed
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he's done nothing to prove anything. He's definitely overrated. The WR room is a joke. IDK what the timetable is for Warren and Patterson, but they need another back. Najee with a 90% snap share makes me vomit. He should be 25% MAX
Everyone looked ready and got a great jump? Really?
McCormick is still looking back at Fields
Anderson still checking defenders
Najee lookin relaxed, doesn't move until the ball hits Fields
Pickens barely moves the entire play
That is pretty definitive that while Fields might be taking the blame, it clearly was not his fault. The guy who is the one who is supposed to tell Frazier when to snap the ball is still looking back for the signal from Fields.
lol, well done.Everyone looked ready and got a great jump? Really?
McCormick is still looking back at Fields
Anderson still checking defenders
Najee lookin relaxed, doesn't move until the ball hits Fields
Pickens barely moves the entire play
Edit: For fun I figured I'd pull the next play on the game highlight to see if there was a difference.
Both Tackles have kicked back
All three interior linemen with hands up to block
All four receivers already pushing off
Najee lookin relaxed
i dont know who screwed up but no one was ready. mccormick wasnt close to being ready. it was a cluster, that's for sure..
khan was basically an accountant and got a job he isnt qualified for. everyone loved him because the bears took claypoole from us and well, that's basically all he has done..
Lots of room for error when you're snapping on a silent count. It's risky and I don't know that it's all that necessary for a Colts home game. Better to be up under center but apparently there are a host of reasons why they didn't or won't.
Trai Essex originally said it was on the oline. Then upon review he said it was definitely Fields. Not sure what he saw or who he talked to, but he would know.
That said, I think he might be one to often defend the OL fraternity.
Tomlin is the one picking the groceries, I think. The cap space is wildly tilted to the defense. That can happen to some degree when you have to pay a TJ Watt. But their top 4 guys -- Watt, Fitzpatrick, Ogunjobi, Heyward -- represent over 30% of the cap. Eight of the top 12 cap hits are defense. The other 4 are the two guards, Harris, and Boswell.
And they've shown they'll spend on the defensive side. Fitzpatrick, Ogunjboi, Roberts, Queen, Jackson were FAs and acquisitions arguably made to cover for draft misses. Where's that kind of financial commitment on offense? They chased Aiyuk, who as it turned out was never really coming anyway and had no real plan otherwise to add skill position talent.
That'll probably change pretty quickly once they (presumably) pay Fields and eventually have to lock up some of these young linemen and Pickens... in addition to Heyward and Watt aging out.
But it kind of does describe our problems in a nutshell. All resources devoted to one side of the ball. They finally become formidable while the other side becomes a joke. Now we'll just do the opposite. Especially with how many draft picks we miss on.
The shame of it is next year we will be in the same exact place with the offensive line due to injuries, and that’s a shame because that’s where it all starts. Although hopefully their depth will be solid with the experience these backups are getting this year. And hopefully Frazier will have an entire year under his belt. Dan Moore has been our best lineman oddly enough, but they can’t pay him next year. Or do they? Daniels might move on and they might move Fatanu to RG where they say he can be All Pro instead of a good RT.
so if you move Fautanu to RG, and Moore inevitably leaves for FA, then for the 3rd straight year, you got to go tackle in the first rd.
Pickens will want an extension in the coming offseason. Fields is a problem because they'll probably have to overpay him to stay. Not because he's really good but because he'll have a ton of leverage. James Daniels is an unrestricted free agent. Cordarrelle Paterson is the only RB on the roster at the end of the league year.
The problem is, they can't just get out from under what they've spent on defense. Then they're probably going to need to restructure Watt's contract, which was probably the plan anyway. Maybe Fitzpatrick? Not sure what they'll do with Alex Highsmith because his cap hit gets problematic next year. And don't forget, five of those defensive guys are 30 or older so they're expensive guys who are peaking or on their way back down.
I'm calling Jones and Fautanu busts until proven otherwise. Absolutely not saying they will be that, but I think we are seeing some bad signs, and this organization doesn't get the benefit of the doubt anymore.
For instance: in the last 13 years, we haven't acquired a defensive lineman who in both on the team in 2024 and better than 35-year-old Cam Heyward.
I miss when guys would come here and you knew they would be studs from day one. I think we're seeing that with Frazier; it's just way too few and far between these days.
wait, Fautanu is a bust too? cause he got hurt? Fautanu played great, in a very limited window admittedly.
how in the world is Fautanu a bust? Maybe injury prone i guess but a bust? That doesnt even make sense..
Fields is going to get paid if he keeps doing what he's doing. Not sure how much he's going to get paid, but I have a feeling it's going to be more than any of us would like to see.
Daniels... definitely gone.
RB... not worried, but I probably should be given this franchise's recent history.
Watt... I would have traded him multiple times by now, because there is no realistic timeline that involves him being on a championship team. But I'm sure they will restructure at this point, as you said. Wouldn't shock me if he retires a bit earlier than some might expect.
Highsmith... not even sure what you do. I guess you let that play out.
Fitzpatrick... I continue to think he's overrated as all hell, but he keeps showing up on this "best safeties in the NFL" lists, so what do I know? I just know I notice guys like Kyle Hamilton out there almost every play, and I don't notice Fitzpatrick like that. Free safety vs strong safety, blah blah blah, I get it. I just tend to think he's running on the fumes of his they-threw-it-right-into-my-chest center fielder reputation. But, I'm not going to die on that hill; I admit I could be off on that.
Good point. Yeah I dunno. I just don’t see an upward trajectory with this team. Does anyone? I think we all like Fields. But is his ceiling “elite” or “franchise QB” level? If we have to draft Oline, then we don’t address all the other needs again in round 1.
9-8 in perpetuity. How fun.
It was a remark on this franchise's recent drafting history. But being injury-prone is often what makes one a bust, so I'm just saying he ain't off to a good start.
And who said he played great? Nothing I saw said that. He took 55 snaps, and has a mediocre 64.4 grade on PFF. That's playing great? Is Broderick Jones (50.6) playing great, too? I heard he was playing great last season, when he had a 60.7. Sounds like PFF wasn't too far off, since he wasn't even an incumbent starter. I think fans are conflating playing great with, um, just playing.
recent draft history has been disgusting, no argument from that. i was actually surprised how good fautanu, a rookie looked. with pretty much no camp either, from an injury. which brings back your point of injury prone..
i'll respectfully disagree with calling a rookie in week 5 who earned the starting spot a bust, just doesnt make sense. and injury wise, 1/2 the league is hurt, especially OL men. if getting hurt in the nfl means you are a bust, that list is long and distinguished (Like my johnson).
I edited my comment above, but what about Fautanu suggests he was playing great? With all due respect to your Johnson, of course.
There's a saying in the NFL that the best ability is availability. So far, he has barely had any availability, but it's early in his career (hopefully).
I'd like to know the specifics of his injuries this year. He went from MCL sprain to playing to dislocated kneecap. Are we talking about one injury continuing to manifest itself, or are these different things?
Let’s say Troy shows some positive play but can’t stay on the field because he keeps having various injuries, and then the steelers opt to let him hit free agency because they can’t invest money in a player who can’t stay on the field. Should Washington Huskies fans then hold animosity toward the Steelers for doing him wrong? Asking for Pitt fans who think the Steelers somehow wronged James Conner.
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