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Let’s say Troy shows some positive play but can’t stay on the field because he keeps having various injuries, and then the steelers opt to let him hit free agency because they can’t invest money in a player who can’t stay on the field. Should Washington Huskies fans then hold animosity toward the Steelers for doing him wrong? Asking for Pitt fans who think the Steelers somehow wronged James Conner.
we wronged james conner. im happy to say it. well not sure wronged him is the right word. We used him incorrectly and obviously gave up on him WAY too early for najee freakin harris. Who i wouldnt give a bucket of piss for and cant leave this organization soon enough..
 
I'm calling Jones and Fautanu busts until proven otherwise. Absolutely not saying they will be that, but I think we are seeing some bad signs, and this organization doesn't get the benefit of the doubt anymore.

For instance: in the last 13 years, we haven't acquired a defensive lineman who in both on the team in 2024 and better than 35-year-old Cam Heyward.

I miss when guys would come here and you knew they would be studs from day one. I think we're seeing that with Frazier; it's just way too few and far between these days.
Yeah.

Part of the reason they have so little money invested on offense is because they lack those 27-29 year old homegrown studs in their big second contract. Even draftees who were fairly productive (Juju, DJ, Conner, Dotson) are gone. Harris is next, and I'm not sure Pickens will end up resigning with them, because either side might have reasons for wanting a change.

Something just feels wrong about the organization's whole approach to offense. Retaining Matt Canada would have gotten any other HC fired. Why does the o-line coaching always seem suspect? They have too many draft busts, and even move sometimes from guys who weren't.

They just can't keep cycling through guys on rookie contracts and JAGs led by mediocre coaches and expect things to change. If things go wrong this year, they'll blame the QB and OC. Which might not actually be wrong to some degree, but who's picking all these guys and coaches?
 
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Good point. Yeah I dunno. I just don’t see an upward trajectory with this team. Does anyone? I think we all like Fields. But is his ceiling “elite” or “franchise QB” level? If we have to draft Oline, then we don’t address all the other needs again in round 1.

9-8 in perpetuity. How fun.
Are you new to watching the nfl ?
 
we wronged james conner. im happy to say it. well not sure wronged him is the right word. We used him incorrectly and obviously gave up on him WAY too early for najee freakin harris. Who i wouldnt give a bucket of piss for and cant leave this organization soon enough..
Letting Conner go for a first round draft pick Harris is damn near criminal..... And I actually like Harris as an effort guy. Not a first or second draft day effort guy..... but a 4th or 5th round effort guy who plays special teams and gets a few carries here and there.
 
Letting Conner go for a first round draft pick Harris is damn near criminal..... And I actually like Harris as an effort guy. Not a first or second draft day effort guy..... but a 4th or 5th round effort guy who plays special teams and gets a few carries here and there.
@Zeldas Open Roof im replying to you too. If you’re a personnel guy, would you keep a guy who couldn’t be depended on because of health and invest in him? Help me out, was Najee here at the time or did they draft Najee that off-season? I think 32 out of 32 teams would have made the exact same decision. I remember interviews with Kevin Colbert when JC was here and Colbert absolutely adored JC. But the quandary existed because he was always hurt and his playing style invited punishment to his body.
 
@Zeldas Open Roof im replying to you too. If you’re a personnel guy, would you keep a guy who couldn’t be depended on because of health and invest in him? Help me out, was Najee here at the time or did they draft Najee that off-season? I think 32 out of 32 teams would have made the exact same decision. I remember interviews with Kevin Colbert when JC was here and Colbert absolutely adored JC. But the quandary existed because he was always hurt and his playing style invited punishment to his body.
Yeah the issue wasn’t parting ways with Connor. It was drafting a guy in Najee who is a servicable Rb in the first round
 
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@Zeldas Open Roof im replying to you too. If you’re a personnel guy, would you keep a guy who couldn’t be depended on because of health and invest in him? Help me out, was Najee here at the time or did they draft Najee that off-season? I think 32 out of 32 teams would have made the exact same decision. I remember interviews with Kevin Colbert when JC was here and Colbert absolutely adored JC. But the quandary existed because he was always hurt and his playing style invited punishment to his body.
i went thru his 2019 and 2020 stats and im not sure, you may have a point. the backup RBs for those years behind conner was bennie freakin snell, mcfarland and jaylen samuels. so basically, nothing behind Conner. WIth that said, he didnt have a terrible amount of carries. 170 carries in 13 games in '20 and 116 carries in 10 games in '19. That's not exactly running the tread off the tires..


i just think James needed to be a good backup or a 1-B type of back with another actual NFL running back to succeed and he walked into a great situation with Arizona in '21 playing with Edmonds..


The najee harris pick i will never understand and i truly believe he is the 3rd best RB on the steelers roster this year..
 
i went thru his 2019 and 2020 stats and im not sure, you may have a point. the backup RBs for those years behind conner was bennie freakin snell, mcfarland and jaylen samuels. so basically, nothing behind Conner. WIth that said, he didnt have a terrible amount of carries. 170 carries in 13 games in '20 and 116 carries in 10 games in '19. That's not exactly running the tread off the tires..


i just think James needed to be a good backup or a 1-B type of back with another actual NFL running back to succeed and he walked into a great situation with Arizona in '21 playing with Edmonds..


The najee harris pick i will never understand and i truly believe he is the 3rd best RB on the steelers roster this year..
I don't know that is was the running that did him in as much as the rhetoric. He's the same player in Arizona. Stats are almost exactly the same and he's averaged 13 games. In Pittsburgh, he's fragile. In Arizona, he's a playmaker.
 
i went thru his 2019 and 2020 stats and im not sure, you may have a point. the backup RBs for those years behind conner was bennie freakin snell, mcfarland and jaylen samuels. so basically, nothing behind Conner. WIth that said, he didnt have a terrible amount of carries. 170 carries in 13 games in '20 and 116 carries in 10 games in '19. That's not exactly running the tread off the tires..


i just think James needed to be a good backup or a 1-B type of back with another actual NFL running back to succeed and he walked into a great situation with Arizona in '21 playing with Edmonds..


The najee harris pick i will never understand and i truly believe he is the 3rd best RB on the steelers roster this year..
I hated the Najee pick for several reasons. But ever since Terrell Davis, I’ve been of the opinion that RBs are a dime a dozen unless you have a slam dunk generational HOFer that you can draft like a Derrick Henry. Now everyone is of that opinion except Kevin Colbert and a few others. Lol. But even at that, do you even know that’s what you’re getting? Maybe that’s what the Steelers thought, but I’d be weary of drafting any back from Alabama or Georgia who run behind elite offensive lines.

This off-season will be interesting because Arthur Smith and Tomlin are going to want a bell cow RB. Smith was spoiled with Derrick Henry and might get enamored with someone currently in the college game. And certainly the Steelers are going to move on from Najee, right? They wouldn’t be stupid enough to invest one additional penny in him.

The funny thing about Najee though…right now everyone is down on him and I kinda remember the same thing last year…and then he started playing much better. So maybe he does that again. But you still can’t invest in him.
 
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I hated the Najee pick for several reasons. But ever since Terrell Davis, I’ve been of the opinion that RBs are a dime a dozen unless you have a slam dunk generational HOFer that you can draft like a Derrick Henry. Now everyone is of that opinion except Kevin Colbert and a few others. Lol. But even at that, do you even know that’s what you’re getting? Maybe that’s what the Steelers thought, but I’d be weary of drafting any back from Alabama or Georgia who run behind elite offensive lines.

This off-season will be interesting because Arthur Smith and Tomlin are going to want a bell cow RB. Smith was spoiled with Derrick Henry and might get enamored with someone currently in the college game. And certainly the Steelers are going to move on from Najee, right? They wouldn’t be stupid enough to invest one additional penny in him.

The funny thing about Najee though…right now everyone is down on him and I kinda remember the same thing last year…and then he started playing much better. So maybe he does that again. But you still can’t invest in him.
So we are going cheap on QB, RB, and WR, and then paid an average TE $12mil/year . Have 3 rookie contracts on OL .

Najee is taking up 1.6% of the cap .
Frankly he’s a bargain considering this production and durability .
Folks are weird what are the Steelers supposed to spend on ?
 
I hated the Najee pick for several reasons. But ever since Terrell Davis, I’ve been of the opinion that RBs are a dime a dozen unless you have a slam dunk generational HOFer that you can draft like a Derrick Henry. Now everyone is of that opinion except Kevin Colbert and a few others. Lol. But even at that, do you even know that’s what you’re getting? Maybe that’s what the Steelers thought, but I’d be weary of drafting any back from Alabama or Georgia who run behind elite offensive lines.

This off-season will be interesting because Arthur Smith and Tomlin are going to want a bell cow RB. Smith was spoiled with Derrick Henry and might get enamored with someone currently in the college game. And certainly the Steelers are going to move on from Najee, right? They wouldn’t be stupid enough to invest one additional penny in him.

The funny thing about Najee though…right now everyone is down on him and I kinda remember the same thing last year…and then he started playing much better. So maybe he does that again. But you still can’t invest in him.
watch this, i guarantee you either

1/ vomit,
2/ laugh then get kind of sad
3/ punch something

 
So we are going cheap on QB, RB, and WR, and then paid an average TE $12mil/year . Have 3 rookie contracts on OL .

Najee is taking up 1.6% of the cap .
Frankly he’s a bargain considering this production and durability .
Folks are weird what are the Steelers supposed to spend on ?
i dont think anyone is concerned about his rookie contract eating up the salary cap room we have. Moreso on going so high on a rb, wasting a first rd pick and then buidling an offense around what is a below avg NFL running back.

At the very least, they didnt pick up his 5th year, franchise him and dont appear to be doubling down on their mistake by extending him. so at least we have that going for us..
 
watch this, i guarantee you either

1/ vomit,
2/ laugh then get kind of sad
3/ punch something

Lol. I was just going to try to dig that up and ask folks to attempt to analyze that without any bias. My thought is this…just as QBs miss reads or throws, RBs are going to miss holes. You can always put examples on X and then run with a narrative. We saw it with Kenny. But this is every single carry. So it is what it is. Many holes weren’t there and then some he didn’t see. But he lacked explosion and decisiveness for me. Lev Bell was a patient runner but had an incredible first step and burst. Najee doesn’t have that. Is Najee banged up a little and that’s what is causing him to be tentative? Maybe. But there’s also a few years history that suggest that we can get similar or better production with a replacement.
 
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Lol. I was just going to try to dig that up and ask folks to attempt to analyze that without any bias. My thought is this…just as QBs miss reads or throws, RBs are going to miss holes. You can always put examples on X and then run with a narrative. We saw it with Kenny. But this is every single carry. So it is what it is. Many holes weren’t there and then some he didn’t see. But he lacked explosion and decisiveness for me. Lev Bell was a patient runner but had an incredible first step and burst. Najee doesn’t have that. Is Najee banged up a little and that’s what is causing him to be tentative? Maybe. But there’s also a few years history that suggest that we can get similar or better production with a replacement.
Lev Bell's hesitancy and patience actually helped him because he had that insane burst. Harris just dances behind line of scrimmage, consistently misses the holes and then is painfully slow once he gets going.

he's really only productive when he's running full speed towards line. that's it. you make him move left/right at all, it's over.
 
So we are going cheap on QB, RB, and WR, and then paid an average TE $12mil/year . Have 3 rookie contracts on OL .

Najee is taking up 1.6% of the cap .
Frankly he’s a bargain considering this production and durability .
Folks are weird what are the Steelers supposed to spend on ?
Buddy, our roster is our roster and he is a bargain as we sit here today. But the decision has to be made moving forward. You can’t run a business paying someone more than their worth in a salary cap. You always need to upgrade somewhere and overpaying him is less money for someone else. And speaking of bargains, imagine getting the same or better production from your current RB #2, RB#3, snd/or a mid to late pick who makes the roster next year.
 
Buddy, our roster is our roster and he is a bargain as we sit here today. But the decision has to be made moving forward. You can’t run a business paying someone more than their worth in a salary cap. You always need to upgrade somewhere and overpaying him is less money for someone else. And speaking of bargains, imagine getting the same or better production from your current RB #2, RB#3, snd/or a mid to late pick who makes the roster next year.
i love this mindset. The "he's on a rookie contract and it's not that much so lay off" is quite an argument...
 
i love this mindset. The "he's on a rookie contract and it's not that much so lay off" is quite an argument...
I don’t understand the argument though. No one is questioning his value. Our #1 back is on a rookie deal. The question becomes do you extend him/pay him this off season. And I think most of us can’t justify a raise for a man with his limited production.
 
Lol. I was just going to try to dig that up and ask folks to attempt to analyze that without any bias. My thought is this…just as QBs miss reads or throws, RBs are going to miss holes. You can always put examples on X and then run with a narrative. We saw it with Kenny. But this is every single carry. So it is what it is. Many holes weren’t there and then some he didn’t see. But he lacked explosion and decisiveness for me. Lev Bell was a patient runner but had an incredible first step and burst. Najee doesn’t have that. Is Najee banged up a little and that’s what is causing him to be tentative? Maybe. But there’s also a few years history that suggest that we can get similar or better production with a replacement.
Some of this is him missing holes but he's not really an east/west RB who can make a cut to daylight. The offense is asking him to be that and what they really need is someone quicker. He doesn't look bad running down hill but then that's where the line makes it tough.

Also notice that Friermuth is rarely to the play side but really none of the guys being asked to block outside are doing much to help.
 
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I don’t understand the argument though. No one is questioning his value. Our #1 back is on a rookie deal. The question becomes do you extend him/pay him this off season. And I think most of us can’t justify a raise for a man with his limited production.
I think the Steelers made it quite clear that they're not interested in paying him by declining his option. He'll get a minimal offer but you don't have to be a football genius to know they really don't have a plan. There isn't anyone on the roster they'll miss.
 
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What’s interesting is how this all relates to when the Steelers wouldn’t pay Lev Bell. They dug in their heels as they probably should have. The RB market was resetting and they weren’t going to pay him. But he ended up being the exception to the rule and probably should have been paid even though I didn’t want them to back then. Ultimately he and his agent should have accepted a deal because his career essentially ended not long after that. But I heard a discussion yesterday about him that had him a year away from being HOF worthy. He was that good. If he had remained a Steeler and had a few more years of the type of play he gave them…he’d be in consideration for the Hall. It’s too bad how it all turned out.
 
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What’s interesting is how this all relates to when the Steelers wouldn’t pay Lev Bell. They dug in their heels as they probably should have. The RB market was resetting and they weren’t going to pay him. But he ended up being the exception to the rule and probably should have been paid even though I didn’t want them to back then. Ultimately he and his agent should have accepted a deal because his career essentially ended not long after that. But I heard a discussion yesterday about him that had him a year away from being HOF worthy. He was that good. If he had remained a Steeler and had a few more years of the type of play he gave them…he’d be in consideration for the Hall. It’s too bad how it all turned out.
He still got paid so it wasn't like he's a hard luck case. The Jets are just an ATM for players where careers go to die. I like to think that his days were numbered just because there are very few guys who are durable enough to go more than five or six years. Who knows what happens if he plays and signs but given the way things went before all of that, they might have one another playoff game or two but that's all.
 
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What’s interesting is how this all relates to when the Steelers wouldn’t pay Lev Bell. They dug in their heels as they probably should have. The RB market was resetting and they weren’t going to pay him. But he ended up being the exception to the rule and probably should have been paid even though I didn’t want them to back then. Ultimately he and his agent should have accepted a deal because his career essentially ended not long after that. But I heard a discussion yesterday about him that had him a year away from being HOF worthy. He was that good. If he had remained a Steeler and had a few more years of the type of play he gave them…he’d be in consideration for the Hall. It’s too bad how it all turned out.
And of course AB was at a HOF level then too. HOF level RB and WR, HOF QB, and it all yielded zilch.
 
Buddy, our roster is our roster and he is a bargain as we sit here today. But the decision has to be made moving forward. You can’t run a business paying someone more than their worth in a salary cap. You always need to upgrade somewhere and overpaying him is less money for someone else. And speaking of bargains, imagine getting the same or better production from your current RB #2, RB#3, snd/or a mid to late pick who makes the roster next year.
I look at things from an expense to production ratio .
It’s why I don’t understand the Muth extension .
Same way I think it’s beyond silly to say 4-5 years ago we could have picked someone else in the first round as a generic statement , when it comes to Players like Najee and Edmunds before him .

Steelers aren’t going to make splash moves in free agency . Patrick queen is about the splashiest thing we’ve done in a decade .

I’m cool if they move on from Najee - which seems likely unless he signs a short term deal for below his 5th year option price .
He’s a 3 down back who doesn’t miss time .
Which makes him the only one since Bell to do that consistently .
 
And of course AB was at a HOF level then too. HOF level RB and WR, HOF QB, and it all yielded zilch.
Because you need balance and the defense was old during those years .
And Ben would go brain dead occasionally as well and be a turnover machine
 
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He still got paid so it wasn't like he's a hard luck case. The Jets are just an ATM for players where careers go to die. I like to think that his days were numbered just because there are very few guys who are durable enough to go more than five or six years. Who knows what happens if he plays and signs but given the way things went before all of that, they might have one another playoff game or two but that's all.
He refused to play under the franchise tag which meant he made Zero dollars that season instead of $18 mil- so he didn’t make it up .
He could have gotten the $18mil and then signed with the jets as a UFA like he did.

It was a bone headed move
 
I look at things from an expense to production ratio .
It’s why I don’t understand the Muth extension .
Same way I think it’s beyond silly to say 4-5 years ago we could have picked someone else in the first round as a generic statement , when it comes to Players like Najee and Edmunds before him .

Steelers aren’t going to make splash moves in free agency . Patrick queen is about the splashiest thing we’ve done in a decade .

I’m cool if they move on from Najee - which seems likely unless he signs a short term deal for below his 5th year option price .
He’s a 3 down back who doesn’t miss time .
Which makes him the only one since Bell to do that consistently .
In fairness I hated the prior Cam Heyward extension before this current one because I generally hate paying older players .
But he more than proved me wrong and continued to be an impact player
 
Lol. I was just going to try to dig that up and ask folks to attempt to analyze that without any bias. My thought is this…just as QBs miss reads or throws, RBs are going to miss holes. You can always put examples on X and then run with a narrative. We saw it with Kenny. But this is every single carry. So it is what it is. Many holes weren’t there and then some he didn’t see. But he lacked explosion and decisiveness for me. Lev Bell was a patient runner but had an incredible first step and burst. Najee doesn’t have that. Is Najee banged up a little and that’s what is causing him to be tentative? Maybe. But there’s also a few years history that suggest that we can get similar or better production with a replacement.
Did we watch the same video? Najee hit the very few holes that opened in that video. Try pausing the video each time Najee is about to get the ball, then imagine where you'd run and then un-pause it. I bet your opinion matches with every decision Najee makes.

That is some horrible run blocking, they almost never get the block at the second level, are constantly pushed back into the holes, and that counter took way to long to expect positive yardage against a blitzing corner.

If Spencer Andersen is the Steelers' right guard for the rest of the season they are in trouble.
 
He refused to play under the franchise tag which meant he made Zero dollars that season instead of $18 mil- so he didn’t make it up .
He could have gotten the $18mil and then signed with the jets as a UFA like he did.

It was a bone headed move
Dude was a bone head. But man what a player.
Did we watch the same video? Najee hit the very few holes that opened in that video. Try pausing the video each time Najee is about to get the ball, then imagine where you'd run and then un-pause it. I bet your opinion matches with every decision Najee makes.

That is some horrible run blocking, they almost never get the block at the second level, are constantly pushed back into the holes, and that counter took way to long to expect positive yardage against a blitzing corner.

If Spencer Andersen is the Steelers' right guard for the rest of the season they are in trouble.
that’s why I was interested in unbiased opinions. It wasn’t all bad from him. It was similar to Kenny last year. You do need a team around you to do their jobs. But there were holes he missed too. The difference between Najee and Kenny are that Najee is coming up on a decision date. Kenny was still a guy with no support to go along with his 22 appearances.
 
Did we watch the same video? Najee hit the very few holes that opened in that video. Try pausing the video each time Najee is about to get the ball, then imagine where you'd run and then un-pause it. I bet your opinion matches with every decision Najee makes.

That is some horrible run blocking, they almost never get the block at the second level, are constantly pushed back into the holes, and that counter took way to long to expect positive yardage against a blitzing corner.

If Spencer Andersen is the Steelers' right guard for the rest of the season they are in trouble.
Funny how they were able to open holes for Patterson though...........when he was in the game.
 
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Funny how they were able to open holes for Patterson though...........when he was in the game.
That’s so true. Bingo!

Najee averaged 1 yard per carry while Patterson was tearing them up. Would like to see the same video package for Patterson’s runs. One game is a small sample size, but it’s not surprising how people feel after it, given that the differences between Najee and Patterson was as different as anything we’ve ever seen.
 
Before hurt after a handful of Carries
Because they assume he’ll be a receiver
Trying to translate your post, but I think I understand what you’re saying. And I don’t agree. Those weren’t all passing downs for Patterson and Najee is a more effective receiver than he has been a runner. Gotta get Najee in space.
 
That’s so true. Bingo!

Najee averaged 1 yard per carry while Patterson was tearing them up. Would like to see the same video package for Patterson’s runs. One game is a small sample size, but it’s not surprising how people feel after it, given that the differences between Najee and Patterson was as different as anything we’ve ever seen.
Much like the difference last year with Warren. But Im sure that also is just a coincidence.
 
That’s so true. Bingo!

Najee averaged 1 yard per carry while Patterson was tearing them up. Would like to see the same video package for Patterson’s runs. One game is a small sample size, but it’s not surprising how people feel after it, given that the differences between Najee and Patterson was as different as anything we’ve ever seen.
patterson and jaylen didnt practice today, so not good. think it's gonna be najee again on sunday. hope justin fields is up for it because we wont have a run game sunday night.
 
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