Starting my ACC preseason Power Rankings
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-I have not looked at all the roster realignment, transfers, etc... since the first time I did this prior to the NBA draft. Im pretty confident Pitt will finish in the Top 7 probably at worst. I think its very possible we win 11-12 ACC games this year.
-Although the summer league doesnt tell all or even a lot, it looks like Cam Johnson is on the verge of full breakout mode as a shooter which is what we desperately need, and Justice Kithcart has lived up to the hype thus far knifing into the paint at will with the dribble drive. It also appears, although early, Nix will be serviceable. Generally speaking, when you make the NCAA Tournament, you have a Top 50 offense and defense in efficiency, and you return 6 of your Top 7 scorers, you normally start the season off ranked in the Top 25. Every media outlet thinks Stallings is a mediocre at best coach which is why we are getting zero pub. If he can't win with this current roster, which I said prior to last season even starting ,this team would go as far as the offense would take them, expectations will be reset if he fails with the current team.
-I actually think Kevin Stallings would have beat Wisconsin in last years tournament. Jamie Dixon's hate for Ryan Luther and lovefest for players that have zero ability to score was a horse that is been beaten to death. So glad Dixon is out of here.
Rothstein had us in his top 20 a few weeks ago, now he has us 9th in the Acc lol. No way we are even close to 9th, esp if we land Andrew White, which it sounds like may happen any day now.
NC State will likely be a top 25 team to start the season. You obviously are not keeping close tabs with State.
Syracuse may be very good, or not. There are just too many new pieces to know exactly how well that puzzle fits together. And, White might be very good for them, but it is worth noting that in 600 touches on offense last year, he had four assists. Perhaps, that was just his role at Nebraska. On the other hand, since Syracuse is his third school, I am a bit skeptical about his character and ability to be a 'team' player. I suspect a 'wait & see' attitude might be appropriate.
Edit to add: Actually, those stats are wrong. However, for everyone 100 possessions last year, White took nearly 24 shots, and he had just 1.2 assists. For the year, he had a total of 20. assists. Regardless, there should a bit of concern there.
Edit to add: Actually, those stats are wrong. However, for everyone 100 possessions last year, White took nearly 24 shots, and he had just 1.2 assists. For the year, he had a total of 20. assists. Regardless, there should a bit of concern there.
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He also scored 33 points and grabbed 12 rebounds per 100 possessions and had a 120 offensive rating, and 102 defensive rating. Those numbers are all a huge improvement from Trevor Cooney.
This is a pretty versatile team with White, Lyndon, and Battle on the perimeter, Gillon and Howard at the point, and Roberson and Chukwu up front.
They may take a little time to gel, but should be very good come late January.
This is a pretty versatile team with White, Lyndon, and Battle on the perimeter, Gillon and Howard at the point, and Roberson and Chukwu up front.
They may take a little time to gel, but should be very good come late January.
What - with a bad apple from Nebraska - a transfer from where? - a transfer that did not play at Providence - Sure
That bad apple avg 16 ppg and shot 41 pct from 3, and the kid from Providence is a backup, and is going to be good. Other than Duke what Acc team has more talent?
Syr 3rd school for White - Mich St and Miami kicked the tires, then decided against him
He picked Syr after classes started - Other choice was VCU - Red flags?
Maybe Syracuse just a little desperate?
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The really good ACC teams have both/either returning starters or one and done freshmen, not 2 or 3 kids that have played legit time and patchwork additions.
Syracuse was picked 9th in an ACC preseason poll (Pitt 11th). I do not see Syracuse position changing just because they added someone of A.White's ilk at the very end of the recruiting season.
ACC preseason poll top 7 - Duke - UVA - UNC - Louis - Vir Tech - Clem - FSU
Next in line - Miami
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With today's rules, going to three schools isn't entirely uncommon. He wanted to play for a winner, so he chose Syracuse over Miami, who was indeed still pursuing him. VCU was a longshot, in it because he is from Richmond.
Syracuse's classes started yesterday, he didn't choose after classes started.
Calling this kid a bad apple is wishful thinking that he will bring that team down. This is a very talented team that just added a really good outside shooter and scorer to their lineup.
Syracuse is in just about every preseason top 20, I've seen as high as #11. That was before adding White.
That was before adding White
I agree with the line above - I feel White makes no positive difference
The key for Syracuse is their top freshman guard recruit - He will determine the outcome of their season
Syracuse has no inside game - Coleman is crippled and Lydon is a perimeter player. They have Roberson - Thompson will not be a factor this season - Moyer?
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Chukwu will be a defensive presence. They will be perimeter oriented on offense, just like they are pretty much every season. Coleman isn't likely to play as much as Chukwu. Roberson was plenty of presence in the interior in their run to the final four, and is another year stronger and more experienced.
If Pitt added a power 5 wing who averaged 16+per game on 41% 3pt shooting, this place would be praising him. It's just silly to say he will have no positive difference.
They didn't decide against him, he decided he didn't want to go to there. Desperate, syracuse was loaded without him, he just makes them better.
The only people who has Syracuse picked 9th, are people who don't follow college basketball.
Serious question for you, have you ever watched college bball before? I Could give you Unc, its close, but Va Tech, Clemson, Fsu, its beyond absurd.
I believe Syr finished what 9th in the ACC last year?
Syr has Lydon, Roberson, Coleman and Howard coming back
Va Tech has Leday, Allen, Bibbs, Robinson, Blackshear, Clarke and Hamilton back
Clem has Blassingame, Grantham, Holmes, Devoe, Djitte and Hudson back
FSU has Bacon, Mayes Mann, Smith, Cofer and Ojo back
I know teams change from year to year but I am thinking Syr is at least starting the year below those teams in talent and experience.
Vir.Tech and Clemson were above Syr in last year's ACC standings and FSU was one game behind. FSU returns Cofer and Ojo who sat out last season with injury.
Ya, and they also went to the Final Four, those teams didn't come close to the Ncaa tournament. Syracuse has a loaded recruiting class, and two impact transfers coming in. Btw Syracuse reloads every year, I honestly don't understand how anyone could doubt them, especially a Pitt fan.
Wait....what??? Pitt 3rd? I'm as big of a Pitt fan as anyone. But with the head coach we now have and the team we now have, it would be a substantial accomplishment if Pitt finished in the middle of the pack, maybe 8th in the ACC. If we can somehow finish higher than that, it will be an absolute miracle. I fully expect Pitt to be lower than 8th, closer to 11th.
Maybe he is, but I like his prediction...But the same could have been said if someone predicted Syracuse making the final four last year.
I will disagree because I believe Stallings is not a very good coach. I am expecting a drop off from last year and a losing ACC record as a result. I am expecting only 5-7 ACC wins. Hope I am wrong--but I have no faith in Stallings coaching.
If he wins 10 or 11 conference games without an experienced point guard does that make him a better coach than Jamie or if he wins 9 is he then equal ?
Really? How about we see what he does over 3 years? He needs to win 10-12 games in the acc a year to at least even be considered as being on dixon's level.
At this point, he is at a starting point far worse than Dixon.
You need to stop judging the entirety of Jamies career as one unit. There are two very distinct periods , the Big East were he was without question one or two wins away from being considered as good as coach as there was in the country and the ACC were his results were just mediocre. Going forward judge KS on the ACC Jamie and the ACC KS not the Vanderbilt KS. What he did or didn't do at Vanderbilt doesn't really matter to me it's what he'll do at Pitt .Whether he fails,meets or exceeds JDs ACC record only time will tell .
Let's hope for Jamies sake TCU fans don't judge him on his BE accomplishments but TCUs prior play !
I will judge ks at Pitt. Right now though, there is nothing to indicate in his long, mediocre track record that he can elevate the program. There is indication that he can make it worse, but not better.
KS needs to average 11+ wins a year, and basically needs to elevate Pitt to a top 15 program. I'll give him two years to Stewart up, but afte that if he isn't there, him and Barnes need canned.
Have I missed them playing a game ? I don't think the previous coach whom you idolize could do that.
Did you miss stallings almost two decades of mediocre results?
Apparently those years don't matter.
Was he coaching Pitt ? I must have been somewhere else . I don't care what he did at Vandy .
So you would be saying the same things if Pitt hired the coach of the Oakland Catholic girl's basketball team?
Now your being beyond stupid ,don't like the hire you have some options
1.) don't follow Pitt
2.) don't follow Pitt and adopt TCU you could post on their board how great Jamie was in the Big East
3.) stop posting the same thing over and over again...please
4.) follow Pitt but post this babble on another site
I'm not a psychologist ,but I think you'd be a lot happier if you found some other emotional outlet.
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