OT:Buccos

[Pittguy1980]

Why would they have to sign guys like Loney and Leake? You make it sound like they are the only options. They waste a ton of money every single year that adds up to what you'd typically pay a really good player. $10m here for Niese, $3m there for Nicasio, $2m here for Vogelsong, $3m over there for Locke, the balance they paid to Morse... before you know it, you're in almost $20m for terrible baseball players.

How much did Kenta Maeda sign for? What about dealing Walker for an actual talent, not for someone solely because they had three 1-year team options?

Also, the Cubs weren't on pace for 110+ wins in December and January while the front office was twiddling their thumbs, satisfied with a rotation that featured the likes of Jeff Locke, Jon Niese, and Ryan Vogelsong or Juan Nicasio.

If you couldn't tell this team was going to fall back a ton because the front office put together a terrible rotation, you were a blind faith front office cheerleader.

The worst thing you can do as a GM and Owner is not give your team a chance while they have the players to do it. To waste a year of the primes of Cutch, Kang, and Marte is criminal, in a sports sense.

So who exactly were they supposed to sign above and beyond guys like Loney and Leake? Once you go beyond Leake, you are looking at guys in the range of scherzer, greinke, etc. Once again, it isn't about money over one year, it is about giving a guy 23 million a year for 6 years that is the issue. That is the difference you can't seem to differentiate with.

You bring up Niese, nicasio, etc, but I also remember when people like you complained about Russell Martin, Francisco Liriano, Edison Volquez, AJ Burnett, and recently David Freese as being wastes of money. You will never hit on every signing, but the Pirates have had some decent success with guys like this.

It is laughable that you rip the Pirates for not signing Kenta Maeda, but then give absolutely no credit for the signing of Kang (another moved laughed at by you and your friends on the CIA board), and the extremely team friendly contracts that have allowed the Pirates to keep Marte and Mccutchen

And blah blah blah. I know that you have been predicting the last 4 years for the team to fall under .500. I heard the same complaints before last year too, that the team didn't do enough, that they would lose 90 games, same thing in 2014, same thing in 2013. I am going to give Huntington the benefit of the doubt, even if this does end up being a down year. He has more than earned it.

Finally, I don't understand how you can be so level headed on the basketball side, and then when it comes to this, you are insane, and the only measuring stick for the franchise is to win a world series. You are no better than the people that constantly blasted Dixon for not making the final four.

 

[Pittbaseball11]

If Maeda is injured or not worth it after a few years, you cut bait and those incentives aren't reached. If he's pitching well (and he most certainly is), then the incentives are well worth it.

The well is drying up after Glasnow and Taillon in terms of pitching. If your big plan is to just wait until those two come up and everything will be just fine and they'll be a couple of aces... well, what could go wrong there? As much as you keep saying free agents are crapshoots, pitching prospects are even more so. Those guys never fail, right?

You spend in response to prospects busting, you don't spend because you're afraid they're going to. I don't know how that isn't intuitive.

They signed Liriano a few years back because they literally had nothing in the upper minors in terms of lefthanded pitching, and they had very little on the horizon. That's how you handle it. Exhaust your internal options, then spend.

You see where your unsolvable long-term holes are, and then you fill them. You don't fill a spot on your roster with an expensive old guy when you have younger options with more upside right behind him.

You see what you have with Glasnow, and with Taillon, and with Brault, and with Kuhl, and maybe even with Angel Sanchez and Brandon Cumpton again when they're back from TJ surgery. Maybe when that all sorts out you still need a #3 starter. Maybe you just need a 5th starter. Maybe you need a completely different position because of injury or ineffectiveness -- the point is, you then have the maximum amount of available cash on hand to solve a problem that you're otherwise unable to fix. You aren't saddled with paying almost $20MM a year to a 4th starter, or stuck giving a guy with "elbow irregularities" the first 8-year pitching contract since Mike Hampton.

I mean, let's be real here, if the Pirates signed Maeda it would have just been chalked up as a dumpster dive anyway. Pittsburgh is all about using hindsight, except for when it comes to giving the Pirates credit for maybe being able to identify legitimate talent below what the market is paying.

 

[Pittguy1980]

If Maeda is injured or not worth it after a few years, you cut bait and those incentives aren't reached. If he's pitching well (and he most certainly is), then the incentives are well worth it.

The well is drying up after Glasnow and Taillon in terms of pitching. If your big plan is to just wait until those two come up and everything will be just fine and they'll be a couple of aces...

You are full f'n tard.

well, what could go wrong there? As much as you keep saying free agents are crapshoots, pitching prospects are even more so. Those guys never fail, right?

changeinatmosphere dot com. Check it out. That is where he is getting his info.

 

[Pittguy1980]

You spend in response to prospects busting, you don't spend because you're afraid they're going to. I don't know how that isn't intuitive.

They signed Liriano a few years back because they literally had nothing in the upper minors in terms of lefthanded pitching, and they had very little on the horizon. That's how you handle it. Exhaust your internal options, then spend.

You see where your unsolvable long-term holes are, and then you fill them. You don't fill a spot on your roster with an expensive old guy when you have younger options with more upside right behind him.

You see what you have with Glasnow, and with Taillon, and with Brault, and with Kuhl, and maybe even with Angel Sanchez and Brandon Cumpton again when they're back from TJ surgery. Maybe when that all sorts out you still need a #3 starter. Maybe you just need a 5th starter. Maybe you need a completely different position because of injury or ineffectiveness -- the point is, you then have the maximum amount of available cash on hand to solve a problem that you're otherwise unable to fix. You aren't saddled with paying almost $20MM a year to a 4th starter, or stuck giving a guy with "elbow irregularities" the first 8-year pitching contract since Mike Hampton.

I mean, let's be real here, if the Pirates signed Maeda it would have just been chalked up as a dumpster dive anyway. Pittsburgh is all about using hindsight, except for when it comes to giving the Pirates credit for maybe being able to identify legitimate talent below what the market is paying.

Players MVK probably considered dumpster dives.

Russell Martin
Francisco Liriano
Francisco Cervelli
David Freese
Edison Volquez
AJ Burnett
Jung Ho Hang
John Jaso

It is SO dumb that we have to continue to have this argument, that basically boils down to that if the Pirates aren't spending 150 million dollars a year, and throwing 20 million a year at guys like Mike Leake and Jason Heyward they aren't committed to winning. I mean, they won 98 games last year, how much more committed can you get?

And let's talk about Hayward. Let's compare him to Starling Marte.

Hayward career numbers:

.265/.331/.424 WAR in 7 seasons 32.4

Marte:

.289/.344/.450 20.2 WAR in 5 seasons

So basically, they are similar players. Much of their WAR is based on their defensive impact. I would overall give the edge to Marte. I would also say that when signing a player to big money, defense should play a much smaller role in that contract than offense, especially in an OF. It has value, but I feel is greatly overvalued.

In any case though, I guess that the Pirates should have traded Marte for Justin Upton or Carlos Beltran 4 years ago, and then signed a similar/inferior player in Heyward for 23 million a year and that would have shown their commitment to winning, at least according to some.

IMO, it would have just made them look dumb.

 

[Pittbaseball11]

Players MVK probably considered dumpster dives.

Russell Martin
Francisco Liriano
Francisco Cervelli
David Freese
Edison Volquez
AJ Burnett
Jung Ho Hang
John Jaso

It is SO dumb that we have to continue to have this argument, that basically boils down to that if the Pirates aren't spending 150 million dollars a year, and throwing 20 million a year at guys like Mike Leake and Jason Heyward they aren't committed to winning. I mean, they won 98 games last year, how much more committed can you get?

And let's talk about Hayward. Let's compare him to Starling Marte.

Hayward career numbers:

.265/.331/.424 WAR in 7 seasons 32.4

Marte:

.289/.344/.450 20.2 WAR in 5 seasons

So basically, they are similar players. Much of their WAR is based on their defensive impact. I would overall give the edge to Marte. I would also say that when signing a player to big money, defense should play a much smaller role in that contract than offense, especially in an OF. It has value, but I feel is greatly overvalued.

In any case though, I guess that the Pirates should have traded Marte for Justin Upton or Carlos Beltran 4 years ago, and then signed a similar/inferior player in Heyward for 23 million a year and that would have shown their commitment to winning, at least according to some.

IMO, it would have just made them look dumb.

Every year it's a freak out about "not taking risks" and then a year or two later the decision to not sign a guy or not trade for a guy looks wise. I mean really, just read this and look at how effing terrible almost every single pitching contract over the past decade has been. It's incomprehensible to me that people would advocate for this stuff unless a team is facing the end of their window and is planning to tank soon anyway.

Up until it looked like their window was closing, when have the Cardinals taken a risk? They let Albert Pujols leave. They let Carlos Beltran leave. They pretty much never make big trade deadline moves. They're extremely underwhelming in free agency. They were fully prepared to let Oscar Taveras be their starting RF a year after going to the NLCS, even though he had enormous struggles as a rookie.

The whole "yeah, free agents are risky but so are prospects" argument is just retarded. One of those guys being bad eats up a roster spot for 5 years. The other being bad let's me send him to the minors and pay him $100K a year. That argument is essentially a big, flashing sign saying "I'm an idiot who takes solace in my team spending money and not in them being well managed".

The solution of "well just cut 4 or 5 players to sign 1 good player and then fill in with waiver pickups" is fine, except you know those people are going to want another free agent signing next offseason using the same method because inevitably you'll still have holes. So you cut another few guys, sign another 4th starter for $20MM a year because "that's trying and taking risks", and then lo and behold you've got two back-end starters making a combined $40MM and you have 6-8 spots on your team that are nothing but waiver wire fodder. Then what do you do with that mediocre rotation you've built? Spend more to fix it!

It's the small market team death spiral. Spend too early, waste possible solutions by blocking them or trading them, spend more to try to fix your mistake, waste more solutions by blocking them or trading them, spend again to try to fix your previous mistakes, spend the next 5 years with a maxed out payroll and a bunch of broken down 35 year olds with unmovable contracts on your roster.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

You cannot criticize the Pirates for any position move over the past few years None. Zero. They have done a great job with this lineup. If the Pirates signed Chris Davis, a 1B for $23 million/year for the next 7 years, a $161 million commitment, would they be better right now? Davis has a 1.8 WAR, batting .229, 16 HR's and 39 RBI's, an OPS of .848. John Jaso has a 0.8 WAR. Driven in 19 runs, but is batting .287 with an OPS of 0.768. What would Davis give you, maybe one more win? That us not worth the difference in salary.

Now pitching is a different story. I didn't mind Happ's contract. Sure, it is expensive, but pitching is expensive. Extremely expensive. And Happ would look good right now in the rotation. I understand that these contracts are exorbitant but that is the price of doing business. You have to spend somewhere. The signing of Ryan Vogelsong was a ready made fail. He was not Liriano, Volquez or Happ, all who Uncle Ray resurrected. Like I said, it was absured what Ian Kennedy got, but again the price of doing business. If you can lock up 3 years term, then go for $15-16 million for a middle of the rotation guy. The Pirates failed to that this offseason.

I am not Del and his entourage...but you have to pay SOMEONE and the price of pitching is high, but that is the market price. If you are in last place, fine stay away. But you are a contender. You have to try, at least to a point.

 

[Panther Holla]

Quit using the Dodgers as an example. I already stated that spending isn't a guarantee. I'm not even talking about going off the reservation. But whatever.

I'm stupid and that's fine. When the trade deadline rolls around and the Pirates do little or nothing to improve the team (again), you're welcome to sit back and convince yourself that it's smart and that they will eventually break through. Come fall, they'll be playing for another wild card and everyone will be so happy (BUCN!!!) because the bar is so low. Won't even matter when they get smoked by another hot pitcher. Everyone can sit around an talk about how great things look for next year. Always next year for the Pirates. Always.

You and I are on the same page, Pittdan. The Pirates sell The Future like a snake oil salesman peddles elixir. Nutting has hit on an ingenious formula -- Play the Poverty Card, keep expectations low and turn Coming Up Short into some great achievement. I cannot fault their player development philosophy under this regime, necessarily. They have undoubtedly raised the performance of this team -- this franchise -- from the dregs of baseball to beyond respectability. But the Pirates aren't champions -- yet. The Bucs get a pass from media and fans in this town that the Steelers or Pirates -- or Pitt -- never gets.

 

[lilspainishflea]

Here's your solution- put the team up for sale and have it acquired by an owner who wants to win a championship. The Pirates have indemnic issues( you can look that word up in the dictionary)borne out of Nutting's refusal to make the necessary investment to produce a championship caliber team. Now get back in formation with your buddies in the idiot brigade...all of you have posted in this thread defending the worst owner in professional sports.

LMAO indemnic issues. I would like you to "endemic-fy" me for my time wasted reading pages of your posts.

 

[KennyTheKangaroo]

The Bucs get a pass from media and fans in this town that the Steelers or Pirates -- or Pitt -- never gets.

The pirates get a pass from the media? Were you paying attention from 1993 through 2012?

 

[PA_Panther]

You and I are on the same page, Pittdan. The Pirates sell The Future like a snake oil salesman peddles elixir. Nutting has hit on an ingenious formula -- Play the Poverty Card, keep expectations low and turn Coming Up Short into some great achievement. I cannot fault their player development philosophy under this regime, necessarily. They have undoubtedly raised the performance of this team -- this franchise -- from the dregs of baseball to beyond respectability. But the Pirates aren't champions -- yet. The Bucs get a pass from media and fans in this town that the Steelers or Pirates -- or Pitt -- never gets.

How has the media been giving the pirates a pass? Hell Clint Hurdles head was on the chopping block for having to collapses with zero to know talent. I don't know how you can say they have kept the expectations low when a few people last year predicted them to win a world series.

Search on google market size of the different Major League teams. After that look up the different local TV deals that other teams in the Majors have then compare that to the 17 million the Pittsburgh Pirates get from ROOT sports.

 

[TD_istheman]

25 out at seasons end, hope they can get Neise locked down for a few more years at 100 a week

 

[Delpanther]

Yeah, claimed they threw facts at me but then turned around and suggested you need medical help. I don't normally bother beating my head against a wall but I appreciate your acknowledgment.

I've been having these conversations with Pirate fandom for many years. The common theme is always waiting on prospects but when you point out draft busts, they tell you the draft is a crap shoot. Which is it? You tell them that going and grabbing a guy for temporary help in a trade could put the team over the top and you hear about how the Pirates can't afford anything or how these moves never work. They want you to ignore trades that happened like Cliff Lee to the Rangers or a guy like Jake Peavy who helped two teams get over the hump. Short term but very much worth it.

Yes, there are risks, but sometimes you have to do something if you are in a position to make a run late in the season. One or two wins would have meant a chance to win a seven game series last year. You saw how it worked out when they didn't have that chance. Why is that so hard to understand? Pro sports are a high risk/high reward venture. Teams that win championships almost always take chances. The Pirates don't and it shows.

Yea, guys like Moneybalz and the rest if his idiot brigade, all of whom have posted in this thread, feign playing a fair game and throw stones at people who disagree with them.

 

[Delpanther]

LMAO I was going to mention this but I just let it go....

Check out my initial post in this thread, moron, and it explains your and the chemist's participation in this thread. My vocabulary was broader than yours is now when I was in third grade. It explains a lot when an idiot grasps upon a typo in a post as the basis for a reply.

 

[lilspainishflea]

Yea, guys like Moneybalz and the rest if his idiot brigade, all of whom have posted in this thread, feign playing a fair game and throw stones at people who disagree with them.

I'll just note that I haven't seen you post a single coherent example of specific actions the Pirates could take to get better - and this has been asked of you several times. I would even accept "set $40m in cash on fire and pray to the Red God R'Hollor for additional wins" as an example. You'd rather resort to name calling. It's pretty infuriating and time-wasting. Just going to ignore your posts from now on.

 

[Delpanther]

It's hilarious when someone tells someone they should look a word up in the dictionary, as if they were too dumb to know what it means, when they can't even get the word right in the first place.

Let me help you out del. When YOU are looking the word up in the dictionary, don't look for "indemnic". You won't find it. Because that isn't actually a word. The word you are looking for in "endemic".

gees, I didn't know that- it's a word I never ran across in my studies leading to 3 grad. Degrees. What a moron.

 

[Delpanther]

I'll just note that I haven't seen you post a single coherent example of specific actions the Pirates could take to get better - and this has been asked of you several times. I would even accept "set $40m in cash on fire and pray to the Red God R'Hollor for additional wins" as an example. You'd rather resort to name calling. It's pretty infuriating and time-wasting. Just going to ignore your posts from now on.

I've given substantive replies. Moneybalz has rejected them all because they entailed spending money. You can go shine your bobblehead collection now.

 

[88Pitt88]

The bottom line is that baseball is broken. What kind of half-assed sport has no salary cap and no equality among it's participants? All the other major sports have got it figured out. At least any well managed team can compete for a title any given year.

I agree that the Pirates are spending their money as wisely as they can. While I admit they are trying, they must do more or execute even better to win a world series. As baseball exists in its current form, with Nutting as owner of the poor Buccos, we would have to have everything go right for an entire year to win it all. This means stay injury free, have all your reclamation projects work out-which incidently has become their approach to getting better pitching, have all your guys hit well (270 or better). Chances are not good that all that happens in the same year.

This ownership has this club back to respectability. To expect more from Nutsack is just blind faith. Maybe one day baseball will come to its senses and institute some type of cap system that will level the playing field. Until then, enjoy your time spent at PNC Park, but don't fool yourself into thinking your going to see a championship caliber club!

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

gees, I didn't know that- it's a word I never ran across in my studies leading to 3 grad. Degrees. What a moron.

So you are the dumbest educated guy around. Congratulations!

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Check out my initial post in this thread, moron, and it explains your and the chemist's participation in this thread. My vocabulary was broader than yours is now when I was in third grade. It explains a lot when an idiot grasps upon a typo in a post as the basis for a reply.

Misspelling and typos are different things .
Unless you have a non-standard keyboard , del.

Im trying to start you with something small, to admit being wrong about .
Then we can start working towards the larger body of your posting career.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

gees, I didn't know that- it's a word I never ran across in my studies leading to 3 grad. Degrees. What a moron.

What are your three grad degrees in?
Just curious .
I know about the MBA. What are the other two?

 

[Delpanther]

What are your three grad degrees in?
Just curious .
I know about the MBA. What are the other two?

After trading insults with me for 10 years I would think you'd have some insight on that.

 

[Delpanther]

Misspelling and typos are different things .
Unless you have a non-standard keyboard , del.

Im trying to start you with something small, to admit being wrong about .
Then we can start working towards the larger body of your posting career.

Seriously, do you really believe I don't know the word is "endemic"?

 

[Delpanther]

So you are the dumbest educated guy around. Congratulations!

Beats being you- just the dumbest guy, which also means you're poor on top of being dumb

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Seriously, do you really believe I don't know the word is "endemic"?

Yes I think you misspelled it, because you did. You may certainly know the word and the meaning , but you clearly spelled it wrong in your haste.
Again it's no big deal , it's okay to admit to making a simple mistake . Like I called Martin jones -Matt. I admitted it, laughed and moved on.

We've traded Insults? I've called you a depressive joyless poster (eeyore, del Sylvia plather, etc$. Hardly insults, only observations .

And franky , don't remember being insulted by you ...of course perhaps because I don't care what you think of me.

So what are the other two?

 

[mvk112]

Good thing they wasted two months with Taillon throwing meaningless pitches for Indy.

 

[88Pitt88]

Good thing they wasted two months with Taillon throwing meaningless pitches for Indy.

If they send him back down after this performance and say he has more to work on in AAA they need to have their balls snipped.

 

[pierre93]

The bottom line is that baseball is broken. What kind of half-assed sport has no salary cap and no equality among it's participants? All the other major sports have got it figured out. At least any well managed team can compete for a title any given year.

I agree that the Pirates are spending their money as wisely as they can. While I admit they are trying, they must do more or execute even better to win a world series. As baseball exists in its current form, with Nutting as owner of the poor Buccos, we would have to have everything go right for an entire year to win it all. This means stay injury free, have all your reclamation projects work out-which incidently has become their approach to getting better pitching, have all your guys hit well (270 or better). Chances are not good that all that happens in the same year.

This ownership has this club back to respectability. To expect more from Nutsack is just blind faith. Maybe one day baseball will come to its senses and institute some type of cap system that will level the playing field. Until then, enjoy your time spent at PNC Park, but don't fool yourself into thinking your going to see a championship caliber club!

Would u be in favor of a salary cap if the Pirates had a rich owner? Thought so yinzer

 

[pierre93]

I'm tired of Pittsburgh fans complaining about a salary cap. It's lIke if I had 5 million dollars and you had $20,000 your going to tell me how to spend my money. Total ant-American which this nation was built on, free enterprise.

 

[mvk112]

The bottom line is that baseball is broken. What kind of half-assed sport has no salary cap and no equality among it's participants? All the other major sports have got it figured out. At least any well managed team can compete for a title any given year.

I agree that the Pirates are spending their money as wisely as they can. While I admit they are trying, they must do more or execute even better to win a world series. As baseball exists in its current form, with Nutting as owner of the poor Buccos, we would have to have everything go right for an entire year to win it all. This means stay injury free, have all your reclamation projects work out-which incidently has become their approach to getting better pitching, have all your guys hit well (270 or better). Chances are not good that all that happens in the same year.

This ownership has this club back to respectability. To expect more from Nutsack is just blind faith. Maybe one day baseball will come to its senses and institute some type of cap system that will level the playing field. Until then, enjoy your time spent at PNC Park, but don't fool yourself into thinking your going to see a championship caliber club!

There is more parity in baseball than any other sport, any team in any can win, and guess what, they do. Kansas City won the World Series last year, St. Louis has won a few lately, small market teams all over make the playoffs.

The Pirates have a $110m or so payroll on about $250m revenue. If they spent to 55% of their revenue like NFL teams do, they'd be in a better position to contend for an actual championship.

 

[Pantherman43]

Good thing they wasted two months with Taillon throwing meaningless pitches for Indy.

He should have been up as well as Glasnow and Chad Kuhl is looking real good at Indy. Time to bring the young arms up and turn them loose.

 

[88Pitt88]

I'm tired of Pittsburgh fans complaining about a salary cap. It's lIke if I had 5 million dollars and you had $20,000 your going to tell me how to spend my money. Total ant-American which this nation was built on, free enterprise.

• I guess all the other major sports have it wrong. Spare me your anti-american bull-shit! It is not the american economy, It's a game and games should be played from a level and fair starting point.
• Would it be fair to play high stakes poker if one player starts with 20 million and the other starts with 5 million?

 

[Pittbaseball11]

Good thing they wasted two months with Taillon throwing meaningless pitches for Indy.

So despite not being allowed to break the 90-pitch mark until early June, being on 5-inning limits at the start of the year, and having random starts skipped in order to manage his innings, he should have done all that at the MLB level and not in AAA?

That seems to fit the general line of logic in this thread in terms of attention paid to baseball and the overall amount of perspective demonstrated.

 

[88Pitt88]

Would u be in favor of a salary cap if the Pirates had a rich owner? Thought so yinzer

I told you the other major sports have it right. I don't care whether it is a team that is my favorite or a team that I hate. They should all be starting from an equal position. I guess from your perspective we should run our sports like the corporate world. Maybe you would like it better if the Dodgers or Yankees could just buy the Pirates and put them out of their misery.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Beats being you- just the dumbest guy, which also means you're poor on top of being dumb

If that's what you have to tell yourself to make you feel good about yourself you go right ahead. In the mean time, I'll keep right on laughing at your over educated stupidity.

 

[Pittbaseball11]

I've given substantive replies. Moneybalz has rejected them all because they entailed spending money. You can go shine your bobblehead collection now.

Feel free to post them again. Or look up the definition of substantive.

All of your posts just entail you repeating the same things over and over in the hopes that it makes it true, and then throwing in some insults and name calling for good measure. There's also a frequent denial of publicized facts (seriously, how do you refute the Cespedes thing with the Mets?!?!) with no evidence to the contrary presented. Just narratives and tropes that have been disproven.

You literally just throw out nonsense on here, then when the team you're saying ridiculously incorrect things about DOESN'T win the championship, you somehow take that as validation that everything incorrect you said previously was actually correct.

Then when your back is really against a wall you lie about previous academic pursuits, not knowing that your inability to construct coherent lines of logic or digest even basic facts is a dead giveaway that you're lying.

 

[Delpanther]

Feel free to post them again. Or look up the definition of substantive.

All of your posts just entail you repeating the same things over and over in the hopes that it makes it true, and then throwing in some insults and name calling for good measure. There's also a frequent denial of publicized facts (seriously, how do you refute the Cespedes thing with the Mets?!?!) with no evidence to the contrary presented. Just narratives and tropes that have been disproven.

You literally just throw out nonsense on here, then when the team you're saying ridiculously incorrect things about DOESN'T win the championship, you somehow take that as validation that everything incorrect you said previously was actually correct.

Then when your back is really against a wall you lie about previous academic pursuits, not knowing that your inability to construct coherent lines of logic or digest even basic facts is a dead giveaway that you're lying.

Denied. You try to completely dominate every single thread dealing with the pirates and shout down anyone who disagrees with you, whether it be me or anyone else. Haven't lied about a thing. I don't have to prove anything to you, Monebalz.

 

[mvk112]

So despite not being allowed to break the 90-pitch mark until early June, being on 5-inning limits at the start of the year, and having random starts skipped in order to manage his innings, he should have done all that at the MLB level and not in AAA?

That seems to fit the general line of logic in this thread in terms of attention paid to baseball and the overall amount of perspective demonstrated.

He was pitching 7 innings in Indy in April, and skipped only one start at the end of May, quit making things up. In fact, he only threw less than 6 innings once, and it wasn't because of some imaginary limit.

He should have been pitching those innings in Pittsburgh, not Indy.

 

[Pittbaseball11]

Denied. You try to completely dominate every single thread dealing with the pirates and shout down anyone who disagrees with you, whether it be me or anyone else. Haven't lied about a thing. I don't have to prove anything to you, Monebalz.

I have no issues with people disagreeing. Just be intelligent about it and not a perspectiveless nimrod.

I love debate, but I'm not going to suffer fools either.

 

[Delpanther]

If that's what you have to tell yourself to make you feel good about yourself you go right ahead. In the mean time, I'll keep right on laughing at your over educated stupidity.

I'll stick with what I said int he first post I authored in this thread....days ago.

 

[mvk112]

I told you the other major sports have it right. I don't care whether it is a team that is my favorite or a team that I hate. They should all be starting from an equal position. I guess from your perspective we should run our sports like the corporate world. Maybe you would like it better if the Dodgers or Yankees could just buy the Pirates and put them out of their misery.

The NBA has a salary cap, yet the same teams go to the Finals just about every year.

The NFL has a salary cap, yet only 4 QBs have taken AFC teams to the Super Bowl in the past 15 years (Brady, Ben, Manning, Flacco).

Baseball has the most parity of any sport, there is absolutely nothing wrong with baseball or how it is run.