Wasn't agreeing with that part of the post. Sorry that was over your head, although I'm hardly surprised.
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Changing the subject again. I asked you to provide a solution.....nothing.
And yes, every sport has randomness and variance form game to game.
Are you of the opinion that if you played back every single game that ever occurred that the game would have played out identically every time no matter what? Every pitch would have been sequenced and spotted identically, every jump shot is made in the exact same manner, every puck would have been passed and deflected identically, every arm/finger tackle on a RB in the hole would have happened the same way EVERY time. If you aren't of that opinion, then HELLO VARIANCE AND RANDOMNESS.
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The crux of his post was that he doesn't like Pirates fans or the Pirates because he finds the sport boring. If his topic sentence went over your head, my apologies for overestimating your intelligence. You said you were an acknowledged genius on here so I took you at you word.
Part of your problem is your inability to separate your opinion from facts. It's funny how often your opinion is completely divorced from the facts. What makes it even funnier is that every single time someone asks you for specific things that the Pirates should be doing all you can come up with is more personal attacks. Which shouldn't be surprising, since you have an understanding of the game equal to a reasonably well informed 12 year old.
Better look out the window, the neighbor kids might be on your lawn again.
What is this constant insistence on "Moneybalz". 2nd best record in MLB is not some made up, some sabremetric result. It is the ultimate result. What don't you get about this? You really are not that smart are you?
The cheapest owner has the dumbest fanbase, that's why they will never see a WS before they die. Useful idiots, like they were for nordy and pedey
My dad called then the idiot brigade years ago. He said, the useful idiot Pitt fan is why Pitt football stinks, and they are the Pirate fan as well. Thank God, Steelers and Penguins get it, and try , cause left up to the Pirates ownership, we would have Pitt football from Hackett to Sleepy, and no accountability
Right....as if the record attendance is all fake. I'd guess than fewer than 5% of Bucs fans even know anything about Nutting. They're too busy enjoying the very entertaining product on the field. You claim "thousands" would agree with you?? I thought they closed Mayview??
How many Bucs games do YOU attend every year??
They have an above average shortstop right now in Mercer. Its the starting pitching that has been the culprit and it has caused the bullpen to be exposed as we'll. They had to know this going into the season but chose to ignore it to stay within their self imposed budget
The last 3 or 4 games have really exposed the pen. Home runs given up with men, on while supposedly protecting a slim lead have been devastating.
Than Locks blow up at Colorado was abysmal. His era is now 5+. McCutcheon is really struggling and Hurdle, as usual to me, is driving me up the wall.
Than Locks blow up at Colorado was abysmal. His era is now 5+. McCutcheon is really struggling and Hurdle, as usual to me, is driving me up the wall.
So, what will the pirates be doing to strengthen up the BP and add a power hitter, to make that run ? Thanks
Sorry, I trust this phone and shouldn't. I do know I won the argument, when we go Grammer, mommy should have taught you that. I actually agree with you NTOP on most issues , but here you are dead wrong.
So, since you are here, what will the pirates be doing to add a big bat and some arms to make that run ? The penguins made some big trades and added speed, so they could compete for the cup.
Maybe Sean Rodriguez has a twin brother , that would make that run happen. Teke seems to be healthy these days and Bob Walk, they would work cheap, and that would sell like bobble heads to yinzers.
Promote the AAA arms, bump some starters to the bullpen, drop Luebke and Lobstein. No reason to pay for bullpen help, bullpens are a total crapshoot. It's why you should always trade relievers at their highest value -- they're all just one appearance away from falling off a cliff.
Bell is still in AAA. Not sure where they would have room -- or need -- for a power hitter.
The trade deadline is really pretty useless in baseball. And, I think you're greatly overstating the Penguins' trades. They were closer to a "Pirates trade relief pitcher for Francisco Cervelli" move than a "OH MY GOD WE GOT IGINLA" move. People did NOT like those trades overall. They probably didn't hate them either, mostly they just seemed to be met with ambivalence. Dumoulin stepping up and the Pens injecting guys from Wilkes-Barre into the lineup did far more for them than anything else. Cheap, capable depth is what wins in sports these days. Without those guys coming up and chipping in, the Penguins are essentially still using their "stars and scrubs"' model all year where they just mail it in on their 3rd and 4th line and rely on their 1st and 2nd lines to shoulder the entire load.
Humans are natural story tellers. They want the "this move galvanized this team and turned the season on its head" narrative. It's why we still read newspapers even though the sports writers are far past their useful lives. The truth is typically far more boring than that, though.
They don't really need a power hitter. They need McCutcheon to play like McCutcheon. Their lineup is as good as any team's 1 thru 8 from the plate. What they need is pitching. Pitching. Pitching. Bother starting and bullpen.
Cervelli on DL with broken hamate. Was afraid of that. Sucks that Elias Diaz is hurt. Perfect time for him to get a prolonged audition.
Said this before but I really would consider trading Melancon at the deadline if I'm them. Especially if Cole goes on the shelf, too. Polanco, IMO, has reset the window of contention. It shouldn't be perceived as tied to McCutchen anymore.
Said this before but I really would consider trading Melancon at the deadline if I'm them. Especially if Cole goes on the shelf, too. Polanco, IMO, has reset the window of contention. It shouldn't be perceived as tied to McCutchen anymore.
Is McCutcheon a better center fielder than Conners is a running back?
The same people who "DEMAND" so much from the "GREAT" Steelers and Pens, are, wait for it....Wait for it, generally the same people who support the Pirates. I know this is a crazy hypothesis, but think about it for a minute.
You are right , they owe me nothing , except my parents business pays a lot of taxes in the city , and the homes we own in the city, cost a lot of money. I am guessing some of those taxes went for that ball park. I thought we were promised a few things as well when they were going to build the park, maybe not.
Also, 37 years of winning nothing, is Cleveland like , so maybe that's what we are the Cleveland Pirates. I guess I just don't go and relax and watch the suckered get suckered and laugh, many laugh, but it's also rather sad , but enjoy
Also, 37 years of winning nothing, is Cleveland like , so maybe that's what we are the Cleveland Pirates. I guess I just don't go and relax and watch the suckered get suckered and laugh, many laugh, but it's also rather sad , but enjoy
anyone who watched those frauds play the last three years and believed they were going to win a championship was daft or knew nothing about BB-I don't care how many regular season games they won. For most of those three years, they had gaping holes at first, third base, ss and right field, were one of the worst fielding and fundamentally poor teams in BB, had no bellweather bat in the middle of the lineup and had no ace pitcher to match the Kerhaws, Arrietas and Wainwrights of the world. For the entirety of those three years the Pirates rolled over and played dead with their pop gun lineup when a very good starter was in the game for the opposition. Hell, they couldn't even beat the teams in their own division last year and were sub .500 against teams with winning records. You don't know squat about BB. Stick to checkers. Just another bobblehead boy..you and Moneybalz.
Bullpen guys are a crapshoot and one appearance from falling over a cliff-more nonsense from Mr. Moneybalz that you pulled out of your hind end. There are scores of great relievers who excelled for multiple years. More proof that you invent nonsense every time you post. You can fit what you know about baseball in a thimble.
They're like you-too busy stuffing their face with kielbasa, collecting their free Giant iggle Tee and waiting for the post game fireworks to even take account of what's happening on the field. Nutting's a cheap bum. Went to the same sports marketing program as Pedy boy and Nordy.
TRUTH! I just can't believe people don't see this, Stevie Wonder can see how bad all 3 men are involving sports, trying to win that is.
Oh, Del. You're so precious when you get all indignant about people trampling the ideals that were popular in the 60's. There's a reason teams have stopped investing in bullpens. It's a fool's errand. Detroit spent years trying to fix their bullpen through trades and signings, and just couldn't do it. Meanwhile, the Pirates just claim a couple guys off waivers and ride them out for a year or two. There's no method to how you build a bullpen, it's all just a gamble.
Too volatile, too unpredictable. If you get a guy who is good for several years, it's all the more reason to sell. The end is coming.
Frontrunner?? We heard those types last spring.......your jackal mindset is pathetic..
You know the team's who win the championship have giveaways and fireworks too?
I have got to tell you have really enjoyed reading this thread. I enjoyed the opinions of many and I am finally compelled to give my 2 cents.
First, I think it is important to realize that where the Pirates have improved the most from their 20 years of futility is in scouting and drafting better players and restocking their minor leagues with plenty of talent. Therefore, I give a lot of credit to Neal Huntingdon and the scouts. Mr. Nutting also deserves some credit for this, putting up more money for picks and also signing Kang out of Korea.
I would argue that Mr. Nutting, or Nutsack as some like to call him, including me, runs the team like any smart business owner. He is in this to make a profit, and that is his main goal. He worked really hard to get team friendly contracts with McCuthcheon and Polanco. If they continue to play well will he resign them when the time comes or let them walk like he did with the Pittsburgh Kid? He is doing enough to keep the Pirates competitive, but he is not at all concerned with winning a World Series. He will never spend to bring in real talent. So those who expect some good moves at the deadline this year will all be disappointed. What he has is a great ballpark, in a great city, surrounded by many great restaurants and bars. He also makes a ton of money off of concessions as any Pirate fan who has been to a game can attest to. He understands that all he needs to do is continue with the promotions and get fannies in the seats and he is a winner.
I surely do not condone throwing money at players like the Dodgers and Yankees do, but if you are a fan of the Pirates and baseball in general, you must realize that Nutsack essentially has you held hostage. Sure, he can provide you with a nice night at the ballpark, but he isn't going to go all out to get you a winner, all while he gets that money out of your wallet over the course of the evening to pad his bottom line.
One other little note...... What the hell is Clit Hurdle doing? How many games can he piss away letting Sean Rod bat with the game on the line? That my friends is my two cents and some of you probably think it is worth even less.
I've never liked Hurdle. I agree.
However, anybody saying the Pirates aren't trying isn't paying attention. They are one of the most likely respected franchises in the game.
Quite honestly, the only place that doesn't think they're doing a hell of a job is Pittsburgh. Which, not surprisingly, is a city that has very casual fans and a mentality that's stuck in decades past.
With steroids out of the game, there is almost no correlation between payroll and winning. It's to the point it was in the collision era.
88, nice post! Hurdle gives me a headache with some of his thinking. Perhaps I'm not seeing this properly but his platooning at times leaves us in a weakened position for hitting and fielding. I realize it's a long season and guys need to rest up on their off days. However, they are being payed millions to compete and should be expected to play as much as possible, barring injury.
Of course, the prior mgmt. had the same promotions....and drew crappy crowds because the product on the field sucked. Having the second or thitd best record in MLB tells me that they are doing pretty well at pursuing a championship.
I have no problem with Nutting making $$ It's HIS investment....fans can stay away if they think they're being shortchanged....lots of folks happy to enjoy the team.
They are trying but, are they doing enough? The true test for Nutsack will occur when younger players like Polanco develop into stars. What will he do? We cannot continue to be a major league farm team and let all our best players go because we can't afford them. At that point, we return to futility!
