You're a joke. Anyone who disagrees with your stupid ideas is someone who clings to arcane ideas. No BB expert agrees with your moronic views.
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You post like a 13 year old-you make absolutely no sense. No one agrees with you except the brigade and it's not because they either understand or support your positions, it's just that they are blindly loyal.
Nutting takes anything for granted in terms of his lineup if a change will cost him money. That's his history and track record.
My "ideas" are more or less derived exclusively from baseball experts. You know, people who are actually hired into front offices. Not people who build storylines around "clutchness", "will to win", and "OH MY GOD THEY SIGNED A BUNCH OF OLD GUYS THEY JUST WON THE OFFSEASON".
How about the Cubs? Are they tickled pink, Moneybalz? Did they sit with their heads up their behinds or did they reach for the brass ring?
They developed and/or dumpster dived for pretty much their entire team. I highly doubt they're happy about that Heyward contract right now....
The hitters weren't as good...my sides are splitting, I'm laughing so hard at such a blatantly stupid position. Half of the guys in the majors today are fat slugs, particularly the power hitters. More obese guys in the majors today than ever before. The league quality wise sucks and the Pirates can't even win this down era/cycle.
They are more or less your fantasy league ruminations to which no one gives any credence. Your fantasies are the only way you can rationalize away Nutting's refusal to spend money and field a contender. And if you are going to build a contender through the draft, then you better draft well....Alvarez, Moskol, Sanchez, the Mexican pticher who washed out...trash!
You are the one who is arguing that they are undervalued, not me. The collective intelligence of baseball teams and GMs disagrees with you.
I have to admit though that it really is the best when you can't even figure out what it is you are trying to argue.
Moskos wasn't this regime. Heredia wasn't drafted.
I don't care about Nutting one way or another. I care about the Pirates adhering to small market principles and not becoming the new Brewers, Reds, or Twins.
I've been very consistent in my expectations for them, and aside from buying at the deadline instead of selling like crazy in 2011 and 2012 I've been happy with what they've done as a small market club.
LOL. Pretty sure even Pedro Florimon can hit batting practice fastballs.
Half a dozen holes in their lineup would mean 6 of the 8 everyday players count as holes.
They have no holes in their lineup, unless you want to count Cutch lol. I'm sure Del and this other idiot saw his poor season coming though.
They have no holes in their lineup, unless you want to count Cutch lol. I'm sure Del and this other idiot saw his poor season coming though.
You're wrong again.
All your stats show is that, in all likelihood, the number one starter on every staff is paid more than any reliever. That doesn't mean GM's believe relievers aren't critical or highly valued. What team wins a championship without a quality closer? At most your stats simply support the conclusion that as between a number one starter and a quality reliever, GMs place more value on a staff's top starter.
Includes pitching staff..like the collection of bums on the Pirates' current staff. If you follow BB, it is very rare that a team, the quality of the Pirates, will stay in contention more than 3 consecutive years when they have essentially maintained the status quo and done NOTHING to improve themselves.
They let Marlon Byrd go so that Polanco could develop. They signed Liriano as a free agent. They've extended pretty much everybody worth a damn. They signed Kang. They're paying a freaking relief pitcher almost 8 figures. They added more payroll at last year's trade deadline than anybody else.
This year was clearly meant to allow themselves to make room for Taillon and Glasnow on the staff. Yeah, they left holes in the rotation, but it's not like they left holes to mail in the season. They left holes so they could bring up 2 of the most highly regarded pitchers in the minors and not have their payroll tied up going forward.
How were they supposed to move a guy like Happ to make room for their pitchers? Treat him like Edwin Jackson and pay him 8 figures to wallow away as AAA depth?
Payroll and free agent moves are comfort blankets for the feeble minded. Rather than try to understand the game they just want to be able to take solace in the fact that "my team tried, even if what they did was stupid". Emotions are meant to be present when the game goes on. Emotions have no place in analysis.
No, what the number show is that pretty much every team values numerous starters more than they do the best relievers in the game. GMs also place more value on a staff's number two starter than a quality reliever. And for the most part a quality number three starter as well. All but the best relievers get paid like a low end starter. Because that's what they are worth.
Thank you Mario and Rutherford, trade away some prospects to win now, when the window is open. You get it, NUTSACK and his minions do not
They won because of prospects. Every year they had amazing 1st and 2nd lines but crap 3rd and 4th lines because they traded their depth and couldn't afford to get good pluggers.
This year they had Dumoulin step up along the back line and several guys step up on the 3rd and 4th lines, giving them quality depth for the first time in forever.
Plus, most obviously, Matt Murray.
The Pens' best trades were equivalent to "Pirates trade Justin Wilson for Francisco Cervelli". You just shrug your shoulders and go about your business for the day because it doesn't move the needle.
Those trades didn't matter back then, why go out of your way to try to make them matter now?
It's like the people who tried to give AJ Burnett credit for the Pirates turnaround or Slice credit for Pitt basketball's success. Or then called AJ Burnett a clubhouse cancer because he got mad about not starting a playoff game (the team then went on to win 98 games with "zOMG clubhouse cancer AJ Burnett" on the roster 2 years later).
It's all just dumb drivel. For as much as sports fans like to throw out the "wow, man up and don't be a woman" card, sports writers are literally just writing romantic storylines for men to read and digest. They're merely playing on emotions, not facts or reality.
Don't try to make a story out of something that doesn't require one. Sports are, after all, taking place in the real world. There is no greater meaning to them, despite the media's insistence on sensationalizing everything. Some guys win, some guys lose, there's a bunch of luck involved, and at the end of the day you just do what you can to strip away the luck aspect and move forward in your decision making. That's it. That's sports. If you make it more than that, you're overthinking it and being way too emotional about things.
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Del thinks that clinging to the narratives spewn by writers who are stuck at dead end jobs and are kept at arms' length from the game is a convincing "appeal to authority" argument.
It's truly amazing how much he backs up his views by citing the writers who the game has shunned for decades.
Literally none of them get hired into baseball itself, but in Del's mind getting hired by a 3rd party entity to casually write about baseball somehow gives the writer knowledge.
I think the line of logic is just too simplistic for me to comprehend, because I have no idea how he makes those connections.
Del is right on the money, he actually gets it more than I do on this issue. NTOP who I agree with on most issues concerning Pitt football, is dead wrong here. If you need an example of an organization building a winner , look across town.
It sure seems like they're "undervalued" if starters make so much more. But that's a business comment, clearly not your realm.
We heard similar from you the last 2 years. I'll come back to this in September...maybe even October.
six pages and going yet delpanther, td istheman, and phpanther with no concrete explanations as to how to get the Pirates out of this rut.......all I hear is moneybalz, nutsack, cheap, etc.....the low IQ brigade has really brought it in this thread.....
Do you honestly think these owners purposely lose money to win championships........LMFAO...you are completely and utterly clueless.........
At the end of the day the Pirates pitching staff has been horrible, everyone knows that. Cole has been the only one worth a dang and everyone knew that he would be decent this year. Liriano his whole career has been up and down. Signing him to his 3 year 39 Million dollar deal was worth it at the time. He was great last year and this year he's horrible. It just goes to show you why you don't play the free agent game when signing pitchers.
Thats why the Pirates consistently go dumpster diving when it comes to the free agent market. There is no reason to give any starter significant money. The padres and James Shields are saying hello. In 2014 the Pirates signed Edison Volquez to a 1 year 5 Million dollar deal. Volquez was one of the best free agent signings that year. Some notable signings that year were Jake Peavy and Ervin Santana both signed big deals and have been terrible. Again goes to show you why starting pitching and the free agent game just don't mix.
The only good starting pitching out there is what you can develop on your own. In two weeks when Taillon is up full time and possible even Glasnow and a guy by the name of Chad Khul you will see a talent level of stepping up. The best way to build a rotation is to supplement young talent with a solid stop gap that is cheap AKA 4 and 5 starters on 1 or 2 year deals.
You can't compare what the Penguins are doing to what the pirates have to do. In salary capped leagues there is a huge difference. Yeah the Pens went out and made big trades in the offseason and paid off for them. When your salary cap is 70 million and the best players in your league are only making roughly 11 million every owner can afford that. So roughly your b
In baseball the best players are getting 25-30 million per year. The average payroll in the majors is roughly 120 Million. You can't when fielding a team of 25 guys tie up 20-25% of your payroll with one players. You know what happens when you do that, you end up like the Cincinnati Reds. Joey Votto, Homer Baily, Brandon Phillips all signed huge FA/extensions in a small market. Now that can't even afford to keep their best players, they had to trade Todd Fraizer because of Payroll concerns. Their rotation is horrible because they had to roll out a bunch of AAAA arms who can't get the job done.
If you want the Pirates to spend spend spend thats fine. The facts are out there that prove that when your a small market team all your doing is setting yourself up for failure. The front office is smarter than that.
Thats why the Pirates consistently go dumpster diving when it comes to the free agent market. There is no reason to give any starter significant money. The padres and James Shields are saying hello. In 2014 the Pirates signed Edison Volquez to a 1 year 5 Million dollar deal. Volquez was one of the best free agent signings that year. Some notable signings that year were Jake Peavy and Ervin Santana both signed big deals and have been terrible. Again goes to show you why starting pitching and the free agent game just don't mix.
The only good starting pitching out there is what you can develop on your own. In two weeks when Taillon is up full time and possible even Glasnow and a guy by the name of Chad Khul you will see a talent level of stepping up. The best way to build a rotation is to supplement young talent with a solid stop gap that is cheap AKA 4 and 5 starters on 1 or 2 year deals.
You can't compare what the Penguins are doing to what the pirates have to do. In salary capped leagues there is a huge difference. Yeah the Pens went out and made big trades in the offseason and paid off for them. When your salary cap is 70 million and the best players in your league are only making roughly 11 million every owner can afford that. So roughly your b
In baseball the best players are getting 25-30 million per year. The average payroll in the majors is roughly 120 Million. You can't when fielding a team of 25 guys tie up 20-25% of your payroll with one players. You know what happens when you do that, you end up like the Cincinnati Reds. Joey Votto, Homer Baily, Brandon Phillips all signed huge FA/extensions in a small market. Now that can't even afford to keep their best players, they had to trade Todd Fraizer because of Payroll concerns. Their rotation is horrible because they had to roll out a bunch of AAAA arms who can't get the job done.
If you want the Pirates to spend spend spend thats fine. The facts are out there that prove that when your a small market team all your doing is setting yourself up for failure. The front office is smarter than that.
The best way to get out of the rut is to roll with the young guys in AAA and dump the Lobster and Lubkhe trash thats been in the bullpen.
Cole (When Healthy)
Glasnow
Taillon
Liriano
Neise
BullPen of
Melancon
Watson
Feliz
Khul
Hughes
Caminero
Locke
You have to do both, build through draft and add free agents and trades to fill the holes. Fill the holes with good players , not Neise and crap, which Nutting won't do, so we NEVER will win with him as owner, want to bet a beer?
Glasnow has walked 23 guys in his last 38 innings. (7 starts)
He's not making his pirate debut for a while.
He's not making his pirate debut for a while.
And yet here we are almost halfway through the season and those two have combined for one start while the Pirates have the 29th best rotation in a 30 team league. Oh however would they have found a spot for legitimate SP?
Either call those guys up in April when their service time indicates you don't lose a year, or get legitimate SP options. Niese, Locke, and Nicasio are not that.
Franchise value would go up, the equity stake is more than worth losing a little bit of money. They bought for about $95m 20 years ago, now worth like $750m.
Actually as much as I despise Locke, he is a legit 4 or 5 in the majors. So is Niese.
Glasnow isn't ready. Taillon will be up for good soon.
Complain to complain without understanding what is happening, that is what you guys do.
Niese is fine, he's a solid 4th starter or a strong 5th starter, which IMO is what they were hoping he'd be. On paper heading into the season, a rotation of Cole, Liriano, Glasnow, Taillon, and Niese headed into next season is pretty damn solid. Locke and Nicasio will be easy to move or cut when needed, which was the goal.
Liriano has been the main issue, if we're being honest.
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Never said they were headed down the toilet- the last 2 years-just said they wouldn't win a championship and were at best a boobie prize contender. They're just another .500 team now and likely headed to the toilet due to lack of pitching. Quit misquoting me- you can't remember what I said yesterday let alone 2 years ago.
You declared them 100-game losers at the end of April 2 of the last 3 years. The only time you didn't is when you were -- mercifully -- banned.
Have to give Teke credit today on SS show, "We didn't expect the starters to be this bad", who didn't ? I thought this staff was below avg at best , and he is full of it.
I also knew we would have trouble knocking in runs, and we do, guess that caught Teke by surprise as well, lmao, wow
I also knew we would have trouble knocking in runs, and we do, guess that caught Teke by surprise as well, lmao, wow
I guess this board is just SHOCKED, staff is not very good, and no power to knock in runs ?
AM is the only surprise to me, thought he would be better than he is right now. That's it
AM is the only surprise to me, thought he would be better than he is right now. That's it
Here's your solution- put the team up for sale and have it acquired by an owner who wants to win a championship. The Pirates have indemnic issues( you can look that word up in the dictionary)borne out of Nutting's refusal to make the necessary investment to produce a championship caliber team. Now get back in formation with your buddies in the idiot brigade...all of you have posted in this thread defending the worst owner in professional sports.
