OT:Buccos
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Teke said, sellers this year, not buyers, haven't been that way around here in a few years! Who did we buy that put us in great shape to win a championship?
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. You live in yor own little fantasy world concocting theories that no baseball expert subscribes to but who you contend are in dead end jobs-they would, like we do, all laugh at you.
I'm surprised Liriano sucks ass, they spent money on him as a free agent when he was the 2nd best lefthander on the market and one of the 10 best guys available overall. That's a foolproof way to build a team.
Meanwhile, the Pirates offense ranks a solid 4th in MLB
Thank God, new administration at Pitt, Mario, and the evil ROONEYS, that's who is serious around here about winning
I have literally not concocted a single one of these theories, these are coming from people far smarter than me who are actually desirable candidates to work in Major League front offices. You know, not journalists who talk about needing to get a veteran presence, a proven closer, and a RBI guy.
FL to me was a wild card, thought he could go either way, hoped for the best, so yes that might be another that surprised me so far with AM.
Every team deals with injuries, so I'm not debating that.
Every team deals with injuries, so I'm not debating that.
No but they spent MONEY on him. When he was considered an IMPACT free agent. The kind of guy you need if you're SERIOUS. There's absolutely NO WAY those guys could ever blow up in your face.
They announced on ESPN about 3 players that were good, on the block, that could help the Pirates. I don't know if they are right or wrong, but I bet we don't get any of them , and the reasons, I don't care, I already know
No team interested in winning s championship plays for a half of a season with a rotation full of garbage because they believe they have a couple of prodoects who MAY be ready to ascend to the majors at a future point in the season. Do you even realize how stupid your arguments are in an effort to support this bum of an owner? And the last paragraph of your post is more spurious drivel!
Go ahead and post the names. It's probably like Ryan Braun, Jonathan Lucroy, and Albert Pujols.
Um, if the goal is to have the best team at the end of the season, why would it matter if 2 guys are in the minors during the first half of the season?
Prior to the Cole and Cervelli injuries, they looked like they were in a decent spot for a 2nd half run.
Without him they wouldn't have even gotten to the boobie prize game the last two years. You're beyond hilarious. I'd get more sensible insights from a toddler. The Pirates have spent the lion's share of their drafts on pitchers and they have one over rated starter to show for it. No team develops into a championship team exclusively thru the draft.
Liriano, Kang, Harrison, Cervelli, Stewart, Polanco, Marte, Niese, Melancon. Not drafted.
The wins in the first half count the same as those in the second half, unless things work differently in your fantasy world. The teams with the most wins at year end play for a championship, something you believe is the product of pure luck...what a joke.
If the teams with the most wins at year-end played for the Championship the Pirates and Cubs wouldn't have been in the Wild Card game last year.
And yet in every one of the last three years they still have been 3 bricks shy of a load...5 or 6 this year.
Why would Nutsack pick up anyone this year if he believes he has prospects who can fill the holes 2 years from now? That's his loser's, cheap owner's philosophy.
Why?
You're so insistent that the playoffs are purely merit based, so wouldn't it make sense to maximize the talent level of your team at year-end? Sacrificing some wins in the first half in order to have more success in the 2nd half is the natural strategy, right?
If you win 90 games instead of 100 because you chose to work in talented youngsters, you still go to the playoffs. Except you're going into the playoffs with a better, more talented team.
I realize this requires a bit of intelligence and critical thinking but I'm hopeful that I've dumbed it down enough for you.
What good does winning the division do if you're stuck with guys like JA Happ in your rotation in playoffs? What good does having JA Happ in your rotation next year and the year after do you?
If I need to give up 4 wins this year in order to have a better team at year-end, plus give myself an additional 5 or 6 wins a year over the next several years I'm doing that every time.
Everybody gets so obsessed about this year with absolutely no foresight. The issue is never signing a free agent for this year, the issue is being stuck with that free agent for the next several years. I'm not committing a rotation spot for multiple years to somebody like Mike Leake or JA Happ or Yovani Gallardo or James Shields or even a Francisco Liriano type in a perfect world.
I'm in full agreement, Nutting has his sheep chanting NEXT YEAR, carrot in front of the greyhound, but I stopped buying that years ago. Iwas a sucker for a few years, no more
So what you are saying is that the pirates should have given Russell Martin a 6-year deal.
Well, only if they were serious about winning of course.
This team can't score? Are these guys serious?
Jesus Christ you can't possibly watch sports and know what's going on.
Jesus Christ you can't possibly watch sports and know what's going on.
Obviously none of those teams tried to win either, since they were in the wild card game too.
Pretty sure the closest Del has ever come to throwing his hat in that ring was to bitch about letting Marlon Byrd walk so they could make room for Polanco.
What I like most about this thread is the frequent compliments of the cubs (and by proxy, theo epstein) to go along with the frequent bashing of "moneybalz"
Free agency right now is trash your paying guys money for what they did not what they are going to do. Attached is a graph from Fangraphs of all the data of pitchers age by age. It is easy to see that Velocity significantly drops and the effectiveness of the Pitcher clearly falls over time. This is the exact reason why you don't pay big money for Starting Pitching on the free agent market.
Were those teams in the WC game three straight years?
Please try to compare the Giants and Pirates recent success. Please try to compare the Cubs and the Pirates. They're miles apart, and its because those two haven't been adverse to making big upgrades to their pitching staffs.
And by "big upgrades" you of course mean "developing pitchers".
Giants won on the backs/arms of Cain, Lincecum, and Bumgarner -- all internally developed. Tim Hudson was bad, Barry Zito was horrible, Peavy's been awful, Vogelsong is Vogelsong. The Cubs signed Lester to a big deal, sure, but have developed or dumpster dived for everybody else. Lester isn't carrying them by any stretch, and Liriano was ranked similarly as the 2nd best LHP behind Lester the year they hit free agency.
Free agency right now is trash your paying guys money for what they did not what they are going to do. Attached is a graph from Fangraphs of all the data of pitchers age by age. It is easy to see that Velocity significantly drops and the effectiveness of the Pitcher clearly falls over time. This is the exact reason why you don't pay big money for Starting Pitching on the free agent market.
Someone should tell the Cubs that they're dumb for spending on Lester, Lackey, and Hammel.
Or the Giants on Cueto and Samardzija.
Or the Dodgers on Kazmir and Maeda.
Or the Nationals on Scherzer.
That's the cream of the crop in the NL this year. In the meantime, the Pirates have Niese, Locke, and Nicasio in the rotation.
Simple question, do you really think the Pirates do everything they can to win the division? Keep in mind the rotation consists of Locke, Niese, and Nicasio, and the bullpen is a tire fire.
Giants 2010, 2012, 2014 World Series Champs
Starting Rotation
2010
Barry Zito (FA Signing one of the worst of all time)
Jonathan Sanchez (Drafted and Developed)
Matt Cain (Drafted and Developed)
Tim Lincecum (Drafted and Developed)
Madison Bumgarner (Drafted and Developed
2012
Same staff minus Sanchez and in Comes Ryan Vogelson signed to a cheap deal
2014
Same staff as 2012 Plus Tim Hudson on a reasonable deal and a trade of Jake Peavy. Bumgarner destroyed this post season with record numbers.
Starting Rotation
2010
Barry Zito (FA Signing one of the worst of all time)
Jonathan Sanchez (Drafted and Developed)
Matt Cain (Drafted and Developed)
Tim Lincecum (Drafted and Developed)
Madison Bumgarner (Drafted and Developed
2012
Same staff minus Sanchez and in Comes Ryan Vogelson signed to a cheap deal
2014
Same staff as 2012 Plus Tim Hudson on a reasonable deal and a trade of Jake Peavy. Bumgarner destroyed this post season with record numbers.
Lets look at Scherzer Cueto and Lester. Yeah those signings look like world beaters now but in two years they will be a shell of their former selves
I think they do everything they can to maximize their wins/competitiveness over a multiple year horizon. I think they refuse to go "all-in" and cripple themselves going forward. The only reason Locke and Nicasio are in the rotation is because they will be easy to move/cut/trade at the drop of a hat, with absolutely no impact on future payroll. I think they'd prefer a half year of Locke followed
I don't get the hatred directed at Niese. Look at his career track record compared to guys like JA Happ and Mike Leake and Jeff Samardzija -- the type of pitcher the Pirates would be able to afford in a pinch.
The Pirates are not one of the large market teams who can pay a guy for 5 years, while knowing that they'll only get 2 years of production out of him and will just need to eat the final 3 years. That's what happened to the Twins, Brewers, and Reds. They spent too much and wound up with a lot of dead money that crippled flexibility.
